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**Ahtman**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It would have been far different if the guy in question had been tall, muscled and chisel jawed.

When you are done with your Orb of Absolute Knowledge of Incidents That Didn't Occur can you share it with the rest of us? Some people, even men, have self-confidence and are also self assured, and wouldn't take abuse from anyone, regardless* of thier looks.

*I really wanted to put irregardless just to watch heads pop off, but I didn't.

**Harriticus**

Isn't comic con usually filled with hot chicks in skimpy outfits? I mean not that they're fans or anything, but a lot of the booths/companies advertising there hire them. Surprised this finally made it an issue.

**kronk**

I wish I had been there to console her.

**Manchu**

Harriticus wrote:
Surprised this finally made it an issue.

Well despite the attitudes ITT, men-at-cons (similar to men-at-arms) are apparently not usually utter creeps even in the presence of sexy ladies. And when one gives it even a little thought, one reasons that this is perhaps why sexy ladies are not uncommonly found at cons, too. Go figure, girls come around when they're not constantly made uncomfortable by weirdos. The things one learns!

**LordofHats**

Manchu wrote:
Does anyone know how to say "blame the victim" in Latin? I'd like to have it carved over the door. Also, might look nice on a Land Raider.

It's one thing when someone has a unpleasant experience due to a case of minor stupidity or naivity and another thing entirely for walking into a horn dog convention dressed as the nicest hot dog bun to ever walk the planet.

**DutchKillsRambo**

I dont think anyone is really advocating that its ok to sexually harass anyone, but this is the real world. Some people are dicks. I wonder if all the people white-knighting this woman REALLY believe she was surprised by any of this behavior. It doesn't make it out ok to be abusive to her, but again, this is life.

What did she think was going to come out of wearing a revealing costume at a convention full of awkward men? Oh wait a news story thats right.. Part of me wonders if she is even really a fan or just looking for attention. Considering the majority of attractive women at these conventions are paid models, methinks it may be the latter.

Again, harassment, not cool. But if you wear a suit made of honey in the woods, dont be surprised when your attacked by a bear. Common sense here.

**KalashnikovMarine**

kronk wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Does anyone know how to say "blame the victim" in Latin? I'd like to have it carved over the door. Also, might look nice on a Land Raider.

Yes. Ignore google translator 90% of the time with Latin phrases.

According to a Latin teacher I know: Culpa victimum

That's going on... I dunno something, probably a dreadnought or a Immolator

**Ahtman**

LordofHats wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Does anyone know how to say "blame the victim" in Latin? I'd like to have it carved over the door. Also, might look nice on a Land Raider.

It's one thing when someone has a unpleasant experience due to a case of minor stupidity or naivity and another thing entirely for walking into a horn dog convention dressed as the nicest hot dog bun to ever walk the planet.

That argument might hold water we accept that comic book fans are unable to control themselves in a way that all others are unable and we also ignore the far greater trend of people being respectful as opposed to being churlish.

Comic book fans = horn dogs and social misfits apparently. It is nice to see a gaming forum stereotype other enthusiasts (though, lets face it, the ven diagram for Wahammer and comics has a pretty good crossover) with great relish while also making denigrating women for wanting to look and feel good about themselves.

**Manchu**

LordofHats wrote:
It's one thing when someone has a unpleasant experience due to a case of minor stupidity or naivity and another thing entirely for walking into a horn dog convention dressed as the nicest hot dog bun to ever walk the planet.

So if anything, he should have raped her even? I mean, clearly it's just common sense:

DutchKillsRambo wrote:
But if you wear a suit made of honey in the woods, dont be surprised when your attacked by a bear. Common sense here.

**DutchKillsRambo**

Better example: If I leave a lot of high value items in plain view in my car and park it in a bad neighborhood, should I be surprised when my car is broken into? Surely the thief bears the most blame, but I am also not responsible somewhat for being an idiot?

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Manchu wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
It's one thing when someone has a unpleasant experience due to a case of minor stupidity or naivity and another thing entirely for walking into a horn dog convention dressed as the nicest hot dog bun to ever walk the planet.
So if anything, he should have raped her even? I mean, clearly it's just common sense:
DutchKillsRambo wrote:
But if you wear a suit made of honey in the woods, dont be surprised when your attacked by a bear. Common sense here.

Where did you get rape from?

**kronk**

She should have told him she'd never date a loser with such a small package. She should have then compared him to Ant Man.

**Frazzled**

Ahtman wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Does anyone know how to say "blame the victim" in Latin? I'd like to have it carved over the door. Also, might look nice on a Land Raider.

It's one thing when someone has a unpleasant experience due to a case of minor stupidity or naivity and another thing entirely for walking into a horn dog convention dressed as the nicest hot dog bun to ever walk the planet.

That argument might hold water we accept that comic book fans are unable to control themselves in a way that all others are unable and we also ignore the far greater trend of people being respectful as opposed to being churlish.

Comic book fans = horn dogs and social misfits apparently. It is nice to see a gaming forum stereotype other enthusiasts (though, lets face it, the ven diagram for Wahammer and comics has a pretty good crossover) with great relish while also making denigrating women for wanting to look and feel good about themselves.

Thats why wimminz shouldn't go to comic book conventions. They should stay at biker bars, monster truck rallies, and spring break events, where the men are more civilized and recognize women for their inherent beauty.

**Manchu**

DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Better example: If I leave a lot of high value items in plain view in my car and park it in a bad neighborhood, should I be surprised when my car is broken into?

So when we catch the guy who broke into your car, we do what? Let him go? Maybe punish you somehow?

DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Where did you get rape from?

Metaphors of: hot dogs and buns and being attacked by a bear.

**Ahtman**

DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Better example:

I'm still waiting for a better example. Certainly there was a sentence that followed this statement, but considering how wrong headed it was, I have to assume it isn't the example you originally were thinking of, and a bizarre tangent.

**DutchKillsRambo**

Ahtman wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Does anyone know how to say "blame the victim" in Latin? I'd like to have it carved over the door. Also, might look nice on a Land Raider.

That argument might hold water we accept that comic book fans are unable to control themselves in a way that all others are unable and we also ignore the far greater trend of people being respectful as opposed to being churlish.
.

But she even says that most people are respectful at these cons. But a few weren't. So whats her argument? Some people are childish donkey-caves? Congratulations she figured out not everyone in the world is nice. Here's your degree from kindergarten.

**Frazzled**

Manchu wrote:
DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Better example: If I leave a lot of high value items in plain view in my car and park it in a bad neighborhood, should I be surprised when my car is broken into?
So when we catch the guy who broke into your car, we do what? Let him go? Maybe punish you somehow?
DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Where did you get rape from?
Metaphors of: hot dogs and buns and being attacked by a bear.

Is it wrong that when I saw that my mind said "being attacked by a beer."

**Grey Templar**

Given that she was wearing a provocative outfit in a place where some are celebrating their love of oversexed Anime characters, it could be safe to assume she wants to act in character. Be all provocative and enjoy the attention.

The guys in question may have simply been playing along.

Its all about context really.

Would this be appropriate in public? Hell no.

Is it appropriate in a Comic-con? Maybe.

Of course many of these outfits would violate indecent exposure laws in public. Thussly, one would assume that a location where said outfits would be appropriate would also be an appropriate venue for a little sexual banter.

Bottom line, everyone was at fault.

**DutchKillsRambo**

Manchu wrote:
DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Better example: If I leave a lot of high value items in plain view in my car and park it in a bad neighborhood, should I be surprised when my car is broken into?
So when we catch the guy who broke into your car, we do what? Let him go? Maybe punish you somehow?
DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Where did you get rape from?
Metaphors of: hot dogs and buns and being attacked by a bear.

The bear thing is something my grandpa used to say about life in general pretty sure he didnt mean rape. And if you wouldnt have purposely misquoted me I said right after that the thief carries the most blame. But again I'll ask. In my example, do I not share some blame?

**Ahtman**

DutchKillsRambo wrote:
So whats her argument?

It wasn't an argument. She wasn't having a debate. She just told of a bad experience she had, and considering how all her other experiences had been positive. She was surprised that it happened, and I can understand her surprise. I shouldn't be, but I'm surprised how many people still hold the attitude that if a women dresses in a certain way she deserves what she gets.

**DutchKillsRambo**

Ahtman wrote:
DutchKillsRambo wrote:
So whats her argument?

It wasn't an argument. She wasn't having a debate. She just told of a bad experience she had, and considering how all her other experiences had been positive. She was surprised that it happened, and I can understand her surprise. I shouldn't be, but I'm surprised how many people still hold the attitude that if a women dresses in a certain way she deserves what she gets.

See your mistake is that anyone is saying she deserved it. Nobody is. Were all saying that its bs she was surprised. Its a PR stunt plain and simple.

**Manchu**

DutchKillsRambo wrote:
In my example, do I not share some blame?

If by "share some blame," you mean "have it coming," "deserve it," "that what was done to me is somewhat justified" ... uh, NO. Do I really need to tell you this?

**AustonT**

DutchKillsRambo wrote:Better example: If I leave a lot of high value items in plain view in my car and park it in a bad neighborhood, should I be surprised when my car is broken into? Surely the thief bears the most blame, but I am also not responsible somewhat for being an idiot?

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Manchu wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
It's one thing when someone has a unpleasant experience due to a case of minor stupidity or naivity and another thing entirely for walking into a horn dog convention dressed as the nicest hot dog bun to ever walk the planet.
So if anything, he should have raped her even? I mean, clearly it's just common sense:
DutchKillsRambo wrote:
But if you wear a suit made of honey in the woods, dont be surprised when your attacked by a bear. Common sense here.

Where did you get rape from?

How will Manchu drum up his indignation without making you into a rape supporter?

Plonk.

Caruso isn’t a victim, she’s a provocateur. She is the interloper at a Weight Watchers convention who carries around an open bag of fried chicken and is outraged when a starving attendee tries to snag a drumstick. I’m sure the remarks about her body were boorish and inappropriate, and she either knew she was going to attract them, or should have known. If she is determined to dress like various Marvel anatomical marvels in a den of comic book geeks, she should be willing to cut the poor boys some slack when their jaws hit the floor. Not doing so is hypocrisy—”Look at me! Look at me ! Hey, buddy, what do you think you’re looking at?” as well as cruel. It also borders on entrapment. My guess is that the Comic Con attendees who offended her would never make such comments to a real woman in the real world, but mistakenly assumed that someone who dives into a fish tank dressed as bait is going to be accommodating to nibbles.

**Manchu**

DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Were all saying that its bs she was surprised.

She was surprised because people don't usually treat her this was at cons. But she's not upset because of the surprise. The behavior is no better just because someone might reasonable expect it.

**KalashnikovMarine**

AustonT wrote:

Plonk.

Caruso isn’t a victim, she’s a provocateur. She is the interloper at a Weight Watchers convention who carries around an open bag of fried chicken and is outraged when a starving attendee tries to snag a drumstick. I’m sure the remarks about her body were boorish and inappropriate, and she either knew she was going to attract them, or should have known. If she is determined to dress like various Marvel anatomical marvels in a den of comic book geeks, she should be willing to cut the poor boys some slack when their jaws hit the floor. Not doing so is hypocrisy—”Look at me! Look at me ! Hey, buddy, what do you think you’re looking at?” as well as cruel. It also borders on entrapment. My guess is that the Comic Con attendees who offended her would never make such comments to a real woman in the real world, but mistakenly assumed that someone who dives into a fish tank dressed as bait is going to be accommodating to nibbles.

Not sure where this is from, but it's great.

**AustonT**

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**DutchKillsRambo**

Manchu wrote:
DutchKillsRambo wrote:
In my example, do I not share some blame?
If by "share some blame," you mean "have it coming," "deserve it," "that what was done to me is somewhat justified" ... uh, NO. Do I really need to tell you this?

Ok Im not saying justified. Im saying if I did leave money out in my car in a bad neighborhood, can I really be surprised when it gets broken into? Your hung up on justification or deserving. Im not saying its ever deserved. But if you make poor decisions they can come back on you.

And before you get bent out of shape and try to turn this into a rape thing, stop. Its not. She wasnt raped. She had socially awkward weirdos make rude comments. Your trying to connect comments about this situation into something bigger than it is. Getting raped and having an idiot clumsily hit on you are so far different its not even funny.

**Manchu**

AustonT wrote:
How will Manchu drum up his indignation without making you into a rape supporter?

Try and pay attention. One metaphor ITT was that the con-goers were like hot dogs and the woman was a hot dog bun. Another one was that the con-goers were like bears and the woman was wearing a suit made out of honey. There is a beat to this tune but it's not coming from my drum.

**kronk**

What happened to her isn't OK.

I'm not surprised, but it isn't OK.

**Ahtman**

I love how a bunch of internet dwelling gamers are referring to people who might dare go to a comic convention, described as a "horn dog convention", as "starving attendee tries to snag a drumstick".

If people talked about gamers that way you'd be throwing fits about stereotyping gamers.

**DutchKillsRambo**

Manchu wrote:
AustonT wrote:
How will Manchu drum up his indignation without making you into a rape supporter?
Try and pay attention. One metaphor ITT was that the con-goers were like hot dogs and the woman was a hot dog bun. Another one was that the con-goers were like bears and the woman was wearing a suit made out of honey. There is a beat to this tune but it's not coming from my drum.

Im sorry but your the one trying to connect the threads here. Maybe you see RAPEEEEEEEEE!!!!! at every metaphor, but you were also the first person to even bring it up so.