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 Manchu wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
How will Manchu drum up his indignation without making you into a rape supporter?

Try and pay attention. One metaphor ITT was that the con-goers were like hot dogs and the woman was a hot dog bun. Another one was that the con-goers were like bears and the woman was wearing a suit made out of honey. There is a beat to this tune but it's not coming from my drum.

The first time I heard about this I thought Lions and a meat suit; that doesn't make it a rape metaphor. It about putting yourself in a position. If you walk down MLK boulevard in any major city in the US with a sandwich board proclaiming your disgust for insert obiligitory racial slur, your brutal beating is inevitable. Don't blog about it. Would you like to make that into a rape scenario?

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Getting raped and having an idiot clumsily hit on you are so far different its not even funny.

And yet the rhetoric is exactly the same. Like Auston just posted, echoing your own sentiment, men are basically wild animals who cannot control their hard-wired bio-imperatives. So if a woman decides to throw herself in the way of that, "we can't be surprised" if there are bad results.

There is so much wrong with that, it's hard to know where to begin. Men aren't unthinking animals. And women aren't throwing themselves into the teeth of unthinking animals. What does it matter one way or another if anyone is surprised by any bad act?

 Ahtman wrote:
I love how a bunch of internet dwelling gamers are referring to people who might dare go to a comic convention, described as a "horn dog convention", as "starving attendee tries to snag a drumstick".

If people talked about gamers that way you'd be throwing fits about stereotyping gamers.

I don't differentiate between comic attendees or gamers.

Taken as a whole, it's the same thing. That's a venn diagram with TONS of overlap.

 Ahtman wrote:
I love how a bunch of internet dwelling gamers are referring to people who might dare go to a comic convention, described as a "horn dog convention", as "starving attendee tries to snag a drumstick".

If people talked about gamers that way you'd be throwing fits about stereotyping gamers.

No a lot of those stereotypes are true. I know this is the internet where everybody is 6'4" 250lbs and pulls girls left and right but anybody that has been to a con knows that theres a lot of social misfits there.

 Manchu wrote:
So if anything, he should have raped her even? I mean, clearly it's just common sense:

I'm not talking about extremes or saying its acceptable. Blame the victim isn't inherently an invalid thing to do. It's like people who complain about the government but never vote in an election. Sure they can complain they should be listened to if their concerns carry legitimate value, but I'm still going to call them bleeding morons of the fifth degree.

In other words:

”Look at me! Look at me ! Hey, buddy, what do you think you’re looking at?”

Dress as Felicia Hardy of all characters, and something like this is bound to happen eventually. It finally happened and she's offended? Someone lost their Obviously Gonna Happen Sooner or Later Club membership card. Lets not even go into Black Canary or heaven forbid... classic Wonder Woman (we need a bondage joke, someone think fast!). If you don't want to be offended don't go into a position where you will be offended.

 kronk wrote:
I don't differentiate between comic attendees or gamers.

Taken as a whole, it's the same thing. That's a venn diagram with TONS of overlap.

I agree, which makes the condescending remarks about it being a convention full of males that, gosh darn it, just can't control themselves around the women folk, that much more sad.

 Ahtman wrote:
I love how a bunch of internet dwelling gamers are referring to people who might dare go to a comic convention, described as a "horn dog convention", as "starving attendee tries to snag a drumstick".

If people talked about gamers that way you'd be throwing fits about stereotyping gamers.

Wait we're not talking about gamers?

 Ahtman wrote:
I love how a bunch of internet dwelling gamers are referring to people who might dare go to a comic convention, described as a "horn dog convention", as "starving attendee tries to snag a drumstick".

If people talked about gamers that way you'd be throwing fits about stereotyping gamers.

Not really, I could go for a drumstick.I can always go for a game of hide the hotdog.

 AustonT wrote:
If you walk down MLK boulevard in any major city in the US with a sandwich board proclaiming your disgust for insert obiligitory racial slur, your brutal beating is inevitable.

Regarding the alleged inevitable outcome, so what? And how is a woman dressing in a sexy outfit anything like being a loud racist?

I'd prefer being trapped in an elevator with a loud racist more than a groping gamer.

What you meant to say was how are they different.
They are both intended to evoke a response, why should I feel bad for her or the hero of Stormfront?

 LordofHats wrote:

In other words:

”Look at me! Look at me ! Hey, buddy, what do you think you’re looking at?”

Except, that isn't even close to what happened.

 LordofHats wrote:
Blame the victim isn't inherently an invalid thing to do.

Regardless of all possible cases, we have one to hand where it is totally invalid. Again, her complaint wasn't that people gave her attention. It's not like all attention must be the same. There's respectful and disrespectful attention. I mean you do see a difference between what he said to her and some other guy saying "hey, can I have a picture with you, I really like your costume, thanks, bye"?

Desperate men are pathetic and gross. So if a dude walks in with some fake muscles and a gay dude runs up and starts asking his dick size or talking how he wants to blow him, that's okay too right? None of you would be bothered by it? Sexism is great :/

Edit: I think we're old enough to be past the sentiment of "well, she looks like a slut so it's okay to treat her like gak!"

 Manchu wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Getting raped and having an idiot clumsily hit on you are so far different its not even funny.

And yet the rhetoric is exactly the same. Like Auston just posted, echoing your own sentiment, men are basically wild animals who cannot control their hard-wired bio-imperatives. So if a woman decides to throw herself in the way of that, "we can't be surprised" if there are bad results.

There is so much wrong with that, it's hard to know where to begin. Men aren't unthinking animals. And women aren't throwing themselves into the teeth of unthinking animals. What does it matter one way or another if anyone is surprised by any bad act?

Stop grabbing at straws. Its not related. Are you really gonna stand here and say SOME men arent basically animals? That there aren't disgusting pigs of human beings out there? That anyone doesn't know this? Nobody is saying its ok. But its part of life that will probably never change. You put a pair of tits in front of some guys and it changes them. Not justified, never is. But it happens. Crime is never justified. But it happens. There is no way that in her what looks to me about mid 20's is this the first time she's had a guy say rude things to her. She's looking for media attention now plain and simple.

 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
Desperate men are pathetic and gross. So if a dude walks in with some fake muscles and a gay dude runs up and starts asking his dick size or talking how he wants to blow him, that's okay too right? None of you would be bothered by it? Sexism is great :/

That would be funny as feth to watch at GenCon!

What kind of mustache are we talking about here? This is important.

 AustonT wrote:
What you meant to say was how are they different.

No, I am asking you why you think a woman in a comic book character costume at a comic book convention is like a loud, obnoxious racist in a minority neighborhood.

 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
Edit: I think we're old enough to be past the sentiment of "well, she looks like a slut so it's okay to treat her like gak!"

You would think so, but here are several pages that prove otherwise.

DutchKillsRambo wrote: She's looking for media attention now plain and simple.

Being a sexist douchebag is more justified than seeking media attention, apparently.

Clarify: referring to the offending nerds at the con, not dakkanauts.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Are you really gonna stand here and say SOME men arent basically animals?

That's not at issue. Your claim is that women should expect bad treatment because some people might treat them badly. The correct answer is that people who treat women badly are the problem, not the women who are treated badly.

 kronk wrote:
I'd prefer being trapped in an elevator with a loud racist more than a groping gamer.

You're missing the fun. Put them both in the same elevator. Watch the hijinks ensue.

 Manchu wrote:
I mean you do see a difference between what he said to her and some other guy saying "hey, can I have a picture with you, I really like your costume, thanks, bye"?

You know I do, and I've already said that's not my point. 'Blame the victim' shouldn't be an instant scape goat for her to absolve herself of any and all responsibility when this sort of thing happens. Dress as this person:



And it WILL happen. There is one person in the clear wrong in this situation, and another person being upset over milk they spilled themselves.

 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
Desperate men are pathetic and gross. So if a dude walks in with some fake muscles and a gay dude runs up and starts asking his dick size or talking how he wants to blow him, that's okay too right? None of you would be bothered by it? Sexism is great :/

Edit: I think we're old enough to be past the sentiment of "well, she looks like a slut so it's okay to treat her like gak!"

Its not sexism its numbers. Theres just not as many gay guys as straight at these cons. You all act like rude comments never get said to anyone. And from my experiences with the gay community a lot of them are that forward. Thats how some guys think they can score a mate.

And again, nobody is saying its ok to treat someone like gak. But it happens. Either deal or dont go outside.

 Frazzled wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I'd prefer being trapped in an elevator with a loud racist more than a groping gamer.

You're missing the fun. Put them both in the same elevator. Watch the hijinks ensue.

If he was in an elevator with a racist he would be the groping gamer.

LoH, whether something bad does or does not happen does nothing to justify it.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
Desperate men are pathetic and gross. So if a dude walks in with some fake muscles and a gay dude runs up and starts asking his dick size or talking how he wants to blow him, that's okay too right? None of you would be bothered by it? Sexism is great :/

Edit: I think we're old enough to be past the sentiment of "well, she looks like a slut so it's okay to treat her like gak!"

Its not sexism its numbers. Theres just not as many gay guys as straight at these cons. You all act like rude comments never get said to anyone. And from my experiences with the gay community a lot of them are that forward. Thats how some guys think they can score a mate.

And again, nobody is saying its ok to treat someone like gak. But it happens. Either deal or dont go outside.

Hmm, gay stereotyping too. What a nihilistic world you live in.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
And again, nobody is saying its ok to treat someone like gak. But it happens. Either deal or dont go outside.

Or ... how about we just stop pretending that it is okay to treat people like gak?

 Ahtman wrote:
What kind of mustache are we talking about here? This is important.

Indeed, its not an important thing. Its the only thing.

Eventually anything and everything will happen everywhere and anywhere. It is a big universe and a long time line. "It will happen eventually" isn't a very good defense for gakky behavior.