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Builders in the UK have a "better business" code which prevents the workers from passing comments on women in the street.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Builders in the UK have a "better business" code which prevents the workers from passing comments on women in the street.

dot dot dot.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Builders in the UK have a "better business" code which prevents the workers from passing comments on women in the street.

That sounds like a hostile work environment.

 mattyrm wrote:
On topic, as I said, dress like that near a building site, a working mens club or a Naval base.

Men are bastards.. geeks are more polite than most frankly. She would have copped way more gak giving an interview on Camp Pendleton.

And yes I'd heartily encourage Ms. Caruso and any other women to support their local military bases by dressing up and doing USO shows. You'd be surprised how many people on base enjoy comic books.

 Testify wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:

I can get behind two of the above eight sentiments my fellow Dakkanauts have expressed. Which is not a good ratio. I think our community is mostly better than this junk. And can be better than it is.

Never go to a club. I have (female) friends who've had their genitals groped in clubs, and that's just what i'm willing to put on dakka. Men, and by men I do explicitly mean people with penises, are bastards.

Sometimes they want that to happen. I will agree a lot take it too far though. I've had to physically cock block a guy multiple times before. He jsut wouldn't get the clue And I wouldn't say to never go to a club, I'd say be prepared and have a couple friends.

Of course, the actual incidence of sexual harassment has nothing to do with whether it is okay or whether we should talk openly about it not being okay.

Given that you define staring at a girl as "sexual harassment" I am loathe to get into technicalities with you.

*sigh* Asshats ruin the fun for everyone, again.

In all honesty, they should have security walking around, and not the wheezy, limp-wristed douchetools they get for these things. I mean actual security to walk around and make sure gak like this doesn't happen.

These cockbites need to get taught some manners, by actual men, via fists. Lots of fists.

 Testify wrote:
Given that you define staring at a girl as "sexual harassment" I am loathe to get into technicalities with you.

He doesn't define that way. The law does. In the US at least there have been multiple court rulings on this. Go ahead and Google it.

Under what law is 'staring' sexual harassment? Last I checked, no one gets prosecuted for staring, or even sued.

 LordofHats wrote:
Under what law is 'staring' sexual harassment?

The US, apparently. See a girl with an amazing rack at work and stare too long? Get the sack.

Obviously there's endemic rape and abuse in sections of the arts/media, but no one cares about that right.

 Testify wrote:
Given that you define staring at a girl as "sexual harassment" I am loathe to get into technicalities with you.

I didn't give that as a definition. But just like your parents should have taught you, staring someone down -- especially a stranger in a public place -- is extremely rude. Whether or not it constitutes sexual harassment is something to be determined with the facts of an actual case rather than hypothetical-based hysteria-mongering.

So...staring at someone is considered sexual harassment? Rude, I get. But illegal?

Does anyone else see this as just a bit insane?

I stare at guys too, until they look away (the cowards) or I look away (not because I'm a coward. Because there's something totally interesting on my phone dude! ).

I've been stared/gawped at by girls and I find it flattering. I honestly don't see the problem, as long as it's not a symptom of underlying social ineptitude.

 Manchu wrote:

 Testify wrote:
Given that you define staring at a girl as "sexual harassment" I am loathe to get into technicalities with you.

I didn't give that as a definition. But just like your parents should have taught you, staring someone down -- especially a stranger in a public place -- is extremely rude. Whether or not it constitutes sexual harassment is something to be determined with the facts of an actual case rather than hypothetical-based hysteria-mongering.

On a serious note, for no reason me and my missus have ever been able to figure out with logic, America is really fethed up sexually.

My missus personally knows chicks who got raped... more than one anyway. And I figured she was bullshitting me, but apparently not, something crazy like 1/5 American birds get raped, its ridiculously high compared to the UK, and for the fething life of me I cant imagine why, I've lived in the states and the culture is almost identical.

Plus we have a higher percentage of these lads, you would figure that puts us on an instant decline.. they have been at it again by the way.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/23/nine-men-charged-with-child-sex-offences_n_2006673.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk1&pLid=133606

I'd start another thread but KK just locks them.

 LordofHats wrote:
Under what law is 'staring' sexual harassment? Last I checked, no one gets prosecuted for staring, or even sued.

In as much as other things are. I mean it's not like you can (successfully), be sued personally for sexual harassment because of a one-off comment, stare or anything else that constitutes sexual harassment. Catcalling, as tacky,potentially hurtful and generally douchey as it is, isn't breaking the law. These kinds of things have to take place on a consistent and deliberate basis and/or in a workplace to be actionable in anyway. That's not unique to staring ,it's true of all forms of sexual harassment. Staring has however, been found to be a behavior that does count as sexual harassment in those circumstances.

 mattyrm wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Testify wrote:
Given that you define staring at a girl as "sexual harassment" I am loathe to get into technicalities with you.

I didn't give that as a definition. But just like your parents should have taught you, staring someone down -- especially a stranger in a public place -- is extremely rude. Whether or not it constitutes sexual harassment is something to be determined with the facts of an actual case rather than hypothetical-based hysteria-mongering.

On a serious note, for no reason me and my missus have ever been able to figure out with logic, America is really fethed up sexually.

My missus personally knows chicks who got raped... more than one anyway. And I figured she was bullshitting me, but apparently not, something crazy like 1/5 American birds get raped, its ridiculously high compared to the UK, and for the fething life of me I cant imagine why, I've lived in the states and the culture is almost identical.

Plus we have a higher percentage of these lads, you would figure that puts us on an instant decline.. they have been at it again by the way.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/23/nine-men-charged-with-child-sex-offences_n_2006673.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk1&pLid=133606

I'd start another thread but KK just locks them.

I wonder what source gave the one in five figure. Was there not a group that were counting consented drunken one night stands as rape on the basis that the woman later regretted it, plus other sexual encounters that didn't involve someone being forced to have intercourse?

Are we really going to get into the extremely lax definition of "rape" by some people? I'm sure we've been through that before.

Remember the original topic?

 RossDas wrote:

I wonder what source gave the one in five figure. Was there not a group that were counting consented drunken one night stands as rape on the basis that the woman later regretted it, plus other sexual encounters that didn't involve someone being forced to have intercourse?

If someone is extremely drunk, on tweaked out on drugs, asleep or otherwise not able to make coherent decisions, they cannot grant consent. Sex without consent is rape. Again, this is not "One Group" this is the law.

General Rule of Thumb: If someone is in a state where they probably won't be able to remember agreeing to something later, they probably can't legally agree to anything anyway.

 Testify wrote:
Given that you define staring at a girl as "sexual harassment" I am loathe to get into technicalities with you.

Thats not just us. Thats the law and the EEOC enforces it with enthusiasm.


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 LordofHats wrote:
Under what law is 'staring' sexual harassment? Last I checked, no one gets prosecuted for staring, or even sued.

You should check then. Thats the real deal. Leering is an excellent way to get a harassment case going.


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 Testify wrote:
I stare at guys too, until they look away (the cowards) or I look away (not because I'm a coward. Because there's something totally interesting on my phone dude! ).

I've been stared/gawped at by girls and I find it flattering. I honestly don't see the problem, as long as it's not a symptom of underlying social ineptitude.

Carefuly about that with dogs though. I had a crazy bird dog (you know I'm starting to notice a trend here) that had been abused, complete with actual dent in his skull. If you stared at him more than 20 seconds he would flip out like a crazy homeless guy and attack you.

 Chongara wrote:

General Rule of Thumb: If someone is in a state where they probably won't be able to remember agreeing to something later, they probably can't legally agree to anything anyway.

By that logic, I've been raped.

Except, I haven't.


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 Frazzled wrote:

Carefuly about that with dogs though. I had a crazy bird dog (you know I'm starting to notice a trend here) that had been abused, complete with actual dent in his skull. If you stared at him more than 20 seconds he would flip out like a crazy homeless guy and attack you.

What do you think happens when a 16 stone man kicks a dog in the head?

I'm surprised it took me this long to find this thread.

Has anyone posted Dave Chappelle's take on this issue yet? I don't feel like looking through all twenty-three pages, and it sums up my thoughts nicely.

Eh, what the hell. On the off chance it hasn't been posted (VNSFW): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1KHqi9bXc

 Testify wrote:

 Chongara wrote:

General Rule of Thumb: If someone is in a state where they probably won't be able to remember agreeing to something later, they probably can't legally agree to anything anyway.

By that logic, I've been raped.

Except, I haven't.


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 Frazzled wrote:

Carefuly about that with dogs though. I had a crazy bird dog (you know I'm starting to notice a trend here) that had been abused, complete with actual dent in his skull. If you stared at him more than 20 seconds he would flip out like a crazy homeless guy and attack you.

What do you think happens when a 16 stone man kicks a dog in the head?

Look, whatever tough guy. I really couldn't care less if you didn't feel violated after having sex you couldn't consent to. Just do the world (and yourself), a favor and keep your dick out of anyone who isn't in a lucid state of mind.

 Testify wrote:

 Chongara wrote:

General Rule of Thumb: If someone is in a state where they probably won't be able to remember agreeing to something later, they probably can't legally agree to anything anyway.

By that logic, I've been raped.

Except, I haven't.


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 Frazzled wrote:

Carefuly about that with dogs though. I had a crazy bird dog (you know I'm starting to notice a trend here) that had been abused, complete with actual dent in his skull. If you stared at him more than 20 seconds he would flip out like a crazy homeless guy and attack you.

What do you think happens when a 16 stone man kicks a dog in the head?

When a stoned man kicks a dog? er what???

 Frazzled wrote:

When a stoned man kicks a dog? er what???

Allow me to translate:

"I weigh 224lbs and I'm a total bad ass. If any kind of pansy ass dog tried to get up all in my grill, I'd just give him a quick swift kick in the head and totally pwn that sucker because I don't take no guff"

 Chongara wrote:

 Testify wrote:

 Chongara wrote:

General Rule of Thumb: If someone is in a state where they probably won't be able to remember agreeing to something later, they probably can't legally agree to anything anyway.

By that logic, I've been raped.

Except, I haven't.


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 Frazzled wrote:

Carefuly about that with dogs though. I had a crazy bird dog (you know I'm starting to notice a trend here) that had been abused, complete with actual dent in his skull. If you stared at him more than 20 seconds he would flip out like a crazy homeless guy and attack you.

What do you think happens when a 16 stone man kicks a dog in the head?

Look, whatever tough guy. I really couldn't care less if you didn't feel violated after having sex you couldn't consent to. Just do the world (and yourself), a favor and keep your dick out of anyone who isn't in a lucid state of mind.

Earlier in this thread you quite brazenly said that sex with anyone who was drunk or on drugs was rape. You can have your morality, I can have mine.

 Chongara wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

When a stoned man kicks a dog? er what???

Allow me to translate:

"I weigh 224lbs and I'm a total bad ass. If any kind of pansy ass dog tried to get up all in my grill, I'd just give him a quick swift kick in the head and totally pwn that sucker because I don't take no guff"

Oh. Well:
1. I'm just saying some dogs get weird about that.
I guess I should point out:
2. Kodiak bears are in the dog family...
3. I think we need a suitable doggie pic:

23 pages from a incident from comic con....makes me want to drop 40K....

 Jihadin wrote:
23 pages from a incident from comic con....makes me want to drop 40K....

I don't think anything about 40k makes people more given to this "the whore deserved it" mentality we've seen 23 pages of here. They brought it to 40k with them, I suspect.

 Manchu wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
23 pages from a incident from comic con....makes me want to drop 40K....

I don't think anything about 40k makes people more given to this "the whore deserved it" mentality we've seen 23 pages of here. They brought it to 40k with them, I suspect.

Honestly it's a fairly common attitude. It's really more a reflection of broader trends than anything else. Though I suspect the general boys-club nature of Wargaming in general, and 40k in particular makes it a bit easier for people to be loud about it than in other settings. Especially on the ol' interwebs.