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Hi, I was wondering if a mortis comptemptor with 2 Assualt cannon (6 shot one) and a CML for 215 points are worth their points?

Because they have sky fire and interceptor rule.

Holy gak yes.

Not really. They're nice on paper, but once you try building a list with them you quickly discover that spending 215 points on an AV 13 vehicle adds up fast and means that the rest of your list is going to be lacking. If you need AA you could do worse than bringing one, maybe two of them, but they're still really expensive.

They also only have skyfire/interceptor when they remain stationary. They are competitive however and they are a real nightmare for flyers.

They are definitly wortht their point value in any game you field them.

I was thinking of bring 2 for my 1750 pts deathwing.

If your gaming club allows them then hell yes they are worth it. No flyer is above AV12 and those dual assault cannon rends + CML will annihilate a flyer a turn pretty much guaranteed.

Contemptors themselves are pretty survivable as well with Av13 (so no krak grenade death) and a 5++ inval so they are a pretty safe investment on top of being effective.

 buddha wrote:
If your gaming club allows them then hell yes they are worth it. No flyer is above AV12 and those dual assault cannon rends + CML will annihilate a flyer a turn pretty much guaranteed.

I should hope they can kill a flyer per turn given that they cost as much as a full squadron of Hydras.

Peregrine, im not sure how that helps alot mate.
It is indeed true, but of no great use.

No point comparing the points cost and use of one unit against one from another book.
Thats like comparing the cost of power weapons throughout the books.

For marines, its worth its points as it will tear through not only air support, but pretty much anything else that gets in its way.

 Jackal wrote:
No point comparing the points cost and use of one unit against one from another book.

Sure there is, now that GW made Hydras available to every marine army through allies.

And the point is that the Contemptor really isn't that great a bargain. It's not terrible since marines are otherwise lacking in AA, but it's extremely expensive and not something you can build a list around.

So far he's worth it... but not in the way you might think. The way I run him is keep him lean with JUST the assault cannons (so 180) and get a hyperios platform (ususally 3 total but yeah) to serve as my missiles instead. I lose 1 missile shot but gain durability and flexability in placement. Then I have the contemptor man my icarus lascannon (mmm bs5) to give him range again.

This is all well and good and it's a fair argument to say you could replace all that with telion + a rifelman dread for about the same AA firepower and even more durability, but here's why he's worth the points: he stops any deep strikers COLD. Doom of malantai drops in my lines? 12 assault cannon shots to the face. Or how about sternguard/vanguard vets/flamer dread/etc pretty much ANYTHING that wants to get in close for an easy FB will suddenly have, on average 10 assault cannon hits with 1-2 rendering to deal with, cutting down their firepower immensly. Sure he cant shoot the next turn but with that range he probably wouldnt have anyways. That's why he's valuable, he provides a bubble of protection against deepstrike which is usually a pretty major vulnerability of shooty space marines.

Thats true about allies.
But i dont see anywhere how IG are part of a deathwing army, or did i miss something? 0_o

Not everyone wants allies.
Just because they are available now does not mean people will take them every time.

 Peregrine wrote:

 buddha wrote:
If your gaming club allows them then hell yes they are worth it. No flyer is above AV12 and those dual assault cannon rends + CML will annihilate a flyer a turn pretty much guaranteed.

I should hope they can kill a flyer per turn given that they cost as much as a full squadron of Hydras.

Of course the Contemptor can target ground units without penelty, unlike the Hydras which can only shoot at Flyers and Skimmers with full BS>

unlike the Hydras which can only shoot at Flyers and Skimmers with full BS

One interesting point you're raising here. As the Hydra platform in IA Aeronautica has Sjyfire AND Interceptor, there might be some FAQ coming someday that "patches" the regular Hydras, though they would be undercosted again then ...
Must admit it's kinda weird that it's the only unit with "special-anti-flyer-rule-of-d00m" without interceptor

 Peregrine wrote:

 buddha wrote:
If your gaming club allows them then hell yes they are worth it. No flyer is above AV12 and those dual assault cannon rends + CML will annihilate a flyer a turn pretty much guaranteed.

I should hope they can kill a flyer per turn given that they cost as much as a full squadron of Hydras.

You forgot to add in the required HQ and troop. And that the Contemptor can target ground targets without snapshotting.

TanKoL wrote:

unlike the Hydras which can only shoot at Flyers and Skimmers with full BS

One interesting point you're raising here. As the Hydra platform in IA Aeronautica has Sjyfire AND Interceptor, there might be some FAQ coming someday that "patches" the regular Hydras, though they would be undercosted again then ...
Must admit it's kinda weird that it's the only unit with "special-anti-flyer-rule-of-d00m" without interceptor

Which is why its dirt cheap.

It was way OP when it could shoot at ground targets. Giving it Skyfire without Interceptor made it balanced.

Problem with it now it would really need Interceptor to actually be able to counter Flyers, as it is supposed to be. Currently you cannot deploy them on field as the enemy flyers will just kill them before they can shoot back.

IMO good compromise would be something like: If Hydra doesn't move or shoot during its turn, it gains Interceptor untl the end of next turn.
Trade-off: If no flyers arrive, then you wasted a turn. But still allows them to fullfill their actual role better.

Luide wrote:
Problem with it now it would really need Interceptor to actually be able to counter Flyers, as it is supposed to be. Currently you cannot deploy them on field as the enemy flyers will just kill them before they can shoot back.

You do know what Interceptor does right?

It allows a model with the rule to shoot at something that arrives from reserves if it has finished its movement phase in range of the model with the Interceptor special rule.


So the Interceptor gets first shot on the Flyer if it comes in range.

For 215 points-holy crap take it. The only doubt I have is if the 6 shot asscan is 24'' also

BTNeophyte wrote:
For 215 points-holy crap take it. The only doubt I have is if the 6 shot asscan is 24'' also

I believe it is, but the Dreadnought also has a Clyclone missile launcher too(2 Str8 AP3 shots at 48")

BTNeophyte wrote:
For 215 points-holy crap take it. The only doubt I have is if the 6 shot asscan is 24'' also

It is. But an AV13/12/11 Vehicle with a 5++ isn't going to have a hard time making it into the 24" range.

EDIT:

The only thing I dislike about contemptors overall is that they cannot take a Drop Pod.

The contemptor mortis is great, I run mine with TL autocannons and a CML. Although the 6 shot asscan is nice i've found myself needing the 48" range more than the number of shots.

Crazyterran wrote:

BTNeophyte wrote:
For 215 points-holy crap take it. The only doubt I have is if the 6 shot asscan is 24'' also

It is. But an AV13/12/11 Vehicle with a 5++ isn't going to have a hard time making it into the 24" range.

EDIT:

The only thing I dislike about contemptors overall is that they cannot take a Drop Pod.

They can take a Lucius Drop Pod as its not a DT and anyone can go inside. Course its expensive and takes a FA slot

Crazyterran wrote:

BTNeophyte wrote:
For 215 points-holy crap take it. The only doubt I have is if the 6 shot asscan is 24'' also

It is. But an AV13/12/11 Vehicle with a 5++ isn't going to have a hard time making it into the 24" range.

EDIT:

The only thing I dislike about contemptors overall is that they cannot take a Drop Pod.

While you move into 24" range, you do not have skyfire and interceptor, which means that you will generally have to stay still from turn 1-2 if you want to counter enemy fliers. The enemy can then easily stay outside of 24" of the contemptor when they enter and go after him the next turn.

 Illumini wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:

BTNeophyte wrote:
For 215 points-holy crap take it. The only doubt I have is if the 6 shot asscan is 24'' also

It is. But an AV13/12/11 Vehicle with a 5++ isn't going to have a hard time making it into the 24" range.

EDIT:

The only thing I dislike about contemptors overall is that they cannot take a Drop Pod.

While you move into 24" range, you do not have skyfire and interceptor, which means that you will generally have to stay still from turn 1-2 if you want to counter enemy fliers. The enemy can then easily stay outside of 24" of the contemptor when they enter and go after him the next turn.

Except 24" is only the Assault Cannons. The Clyclone Missile launcher has a 48" range.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Illumini wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:

BTNeophyte wrote:
For 215 points-holy crap take it. The only doubt I have is if the 6 shot asscan is 24'' also

It is. But an AV13/12/11 Vehicle with a 5++ isn't going to have a hard time making it into the 24" range.

EDIT:

The only thing I dislike about contemptors overall is that they cannot take a Drop Pod.

While you move into 24" range, you do not have skyfire and interceptor, which means that you will generally have to stay still from turn 1-2 if you want to counter enemy fliers. The enemy can then easily stay outside of 24" of the contemptor when they enter and go after him the next turn.

Except 24" is only the Assault Cannons. The Clyclone Missile launcher has a 48" range.

its nice, the 6 shot assault cannons 12 shots total area really really nice but unlikely that a flyer is going to go into that 24" bubble. Sure the missile launchers are nice, but its 2 shots for 215 points seems kinda high.

I'm not sure, probably. But you would be silly not to take the Clyclone Missile launcher. If you want good AA then 2 Krak missiles are about as good as it gets.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I'm not sure, probably. But you would be silly not to take the Clyclone Missile launcher. If you want good AA then 2 Krak missiles are about as good as it gets.

3 twinlinked lascannons is only 130 points...

what about a 2 TLLC loadout?

 Exergy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I'm not sure, probably. But you would be silly not to take the Clyclone Missile launcher. If you want good AA then 2 Krak missiles are about as good as it gets.

3 twinlinked lascannons is only 130 points...

Leave Vendettas out of this. They were under priced when the IG codex was released.