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But what can the monsterous creatures do??
They don't have skyfire.... And they can't assault

An'arkh'ad'nron wrote:
But what can the monsterous creatures do??
They don't have skyfire.... And they can't assault

They do have Skyfire if they have wings (which Kairos and the LoC always have and the DPs should always have).

I cannot find the rules in the rule book, or the faqs

An'arkh'ad'nron wrote:
I cannot find the rules in the rule book, or the faqs

Check the rulebook FAQ and you will find it. It is in the FAQ section itself where someone asks if a swooping monster can declare skyfire.

Johnny you are not using 2 force organisation in any of our 2000 point games or i'm going to buy either 6 storm ravens or 40 assault terminators!
Also Your silly 27 flamers cause enough problems as it is anyway!

 samuele999 wrote:
Johnny you are not using 2 force organisation in any of our 2000 point games or i'm going to buy either 6 storm ravens or 40 assault terminators!
Also Your silly 27 flamers cause enough problems as it is anyway!

I am fine with you spending £300 on all that...
But seriously, have you seen it in the FAQ Sam?

You can only add in one heldrake, so if you want cheap anti air CSM allies take:

1x chaos sorcerer, no options
10x cultists
1x heldrake
5x CSM havocs w/flakk missiles
aegis defense line w/quad gun - stick the havocs in and let the champ shoot the quad gun.

How many points would that be?

As above you can only take one HS or FA from the allies codex, so no two heldrakes.

Bolt of tzeentch can take down flyers quite easy, either from horrors or DP's

MarkyMark wrote:
Bolt of tzeentch can take down flyers quite easy, either from horrors or DP's

You might want to read the flyer rules again if you think a Bolt from Horrors can take down a flyer easily.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
Bolt of tzeentch can take down flyers quite easy, either from horrors or DP's

You might want to read the flyer rules again if you think a Bolt from Horrors can take down a flyer easily.

Agreed. If I had to come with a list of adjectives to describe taking down flyers with Bolts from Horrors, 'easily' wouldn't appear on it.

well, i know this isnt necessarily the best thing to do, but seeing that there is a totally new codex, i am resurrecting this thread....



so again i ask,

how do daemons deal with stormravens?

Soulgrinder's skyfiring harvester cannon seems an obvious choice. Vectorstriking FMCs are also a decent option.

i am currently thinking of this list:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/517617.page
would this be any good do you reckon, bearing in mind that the stormravens are av12.

How does it feel having 27 redundant flamers?

i feel much better, i hated being accused of playing overpowered units, and i know that they were. i only used to play them because of the way they felt to me... i have a very wierd outlook on each unit, where i dont like things feeling like they have limits, as soon as bloodletters became ap3 (right thing to be done though) i instantly lost faith in them, as the once sharp sword was now blunt (still pointy though ).so as i only ever played mono god lists, i then went to my next favourite god, tzeentch... at the time flamers were still 35pts, and in my eyes operpowered even then... i had 27 of them in finecast, as i was going for the 9x9 units of tzeentch list: 3x9 flamers 3x9 pink horrors and 3x9 screamers...
then everything became super overpowered, and i carried on playing them. i was following a string of rumours that foresaw the release of the current chaos daemons, and seeing that the new rules were imminent, i thought that the wd update would only be for a short period of time, so i new that this list was doomed.
the only reason i dont play them anymore is because of this feel no pain nonsense... in my opinion tzeentch is now unplayable in my eyes... which is why i have reverted to my original daemons army. my beloved khorne list....
and quite honestly i love it, as the games are now much closer, as my friend still runs two stormravens, its fun. he rules the sky, and i rule the ground.

as you will know, a close game is simply the best thing, and i am loving that the flamer cheese is gone.