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Hello all

I have been following this thread since this kickstarter launched and I have some questions about this game.
Outlaw miniatures is promoting this game as either a skirmish or a full fledged larger game (almost like 40k). So what scale is it gonna be for the tournament scene? I feel like its gonna be larger scale with the amount of different miniatures being released.
Will this make the skirmish level almost an afterthought?
What point cost system are they planning to use? (like 40k or warmachine?)
The pledge levels are kinda confusing to me. what level would someone need to pledge to build a normal army. why so many hired hands? are they like the cannon fodder of the army?

Thanks in advance.

Download the rules from th WWX website. They'll help answer a lot of your Qs.

--From my read thru, the game lookalike it will play just fine with a starter box.
--who cares about the "tournament scene"
--the bosses range from about 110-175 points. Hired hands are in the neighborhood of 20-25.

You could get two people reasonably into the Game of the $115 pledge. They shouldn't be that confusing. I mean, they even have pictures that show you everything you get.

Oddly it feels like it may actually be able to do either well. It'll probably take some decent amount of play to figure out where the competition is at it's highest. Wicked seems like a safe level to pledge if really interested but don't want to fully commit, fiendish if you are one who has to try everything. Sadly many of us keep getting pushed to higher levels.


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Check out the recent update on enlightened models. Interesting to say the least

The new enlightened look great, I'll be adding a bunch of those I think. Looking forward to wave 2 of the outlaws being unlocked, I really hope we can order some of them too.

They aren't for me. I'll grab a few since I'm interested in running scenarios in this game, but Enlightened will be my weakest army.

It seems lots of others like them so it is what it is.

I really like the new HH for the Enlightened, looking forward to having a lot of things scuttling around my town

The comic is the best innovations I've seen in the mini industry in a long time. If I pledge, it will be mostly because of this.

Does anyone knows what will be the playing style of each factions?

streetsamurai wrote:
The comic is the best innovations I've seen in the mini industry in a long time. If I pledge, it will be mostly because of this.

Does anyone knows what will be the playing style of each factions?

Seriously? The comic is the most innovative thing? That's seems like a bit of a reach, eh?

 cincydooley wrote:

streetsamurai wrote:
The comic is the best innovations I've seen in the mini industry in a long time. If I pledge, it will be mostly because of this.

Does anyone knows what will be the playing style of each factions?

Seriously? The comic is the most innovative thing? That's seems like a bit of a reach, eh?

Yeah, I don't quite get that post either... I mean Black Library is starting to release graphic novels...

For me, the most "innovative thing" of the last 5 years or so is the diceless miniatures games like Malifaux or Freebooter's Fate. Perhaps even the movement system of MERCs. But a comic book? C'mon son!

 cincydooley wrote:
Download the rules from th WWX website. They'll help answer a lot of your Qs.

--From my read thru, the game lookalike it will play just fine with a starter box.
--who cares about the "tournament scene"
--the bosses range from about 110-175 points. Hired hands are in the neighborhood of 20-25.

You could get two people reasonably into the Game of the $115 pledge. They shouldn't be that confusing. I mean, they even have pictures that show you everything you get.

Some of us like tourneys so saying "who cares" is rather rude. To answer that question though one of the stretch goals is tickets to the tourney. Also it looks like they will be handing out ladies of the west at adepticon.

Yes, the comic book is quite an innovative idea. Exactly how well it all works out is yet to be seen, but it certainly has the potential to be quite a game changer.

For those not totally up on the concept, the back of each comic book will contain new scenarios/rules allowing players to re-create the battles featured in each comic.

So not only is the comic used centrally to move the story along (whereas most comics traditionally have just been used as side-stories for those game companies that have used them), but they are also a cheap and easy method to constantly push out new rules and scenarios to players.

And then re-issuing them again at the end of the year in a compilation volume should help to alleviate some of that feeling of 'missing key stuff' for those players who don't collect it on a regular basis.

 yakface wrote:

Yes, the comic book is quite an innovative idea. Exactly how well it all works out is yet to be seen, but it certainly has the potential to be quite a game changer.

For those not totally up on the concept, the back of each comic book will contain new scenarios/rules allowing players to re-create the battles featured in each comic.

So not only is the comic used centrally to move the story along (whereas most comics traditionally have just been used as side-stories for those game companies that have used them), but they are also a cheap and easy method to constantly push out new rules and scenarios to players.

And then re-issuing them again at the end of the year in a compilation volume should help to alleviate some of that feeling of 'missing key stuff' for those players who don't collect it on a regular basis.

But how are the extras at the back of the comic book different than a company that releases a free/cheap pdf with the just the scenarios, "new models", "and more"? Not to mention that I would have to pay for these extras. I mean the comic could turn out to be nothing special, but the scenarios and rules are good.

I guess when you consider that it's a comic book first, and a gaming/hobby publication second, that's a first, but just to compare it to something that started at the same time as the first issue of WWX Comic (February 1st, 2013). Wyrd Chronicles #4 (A reboot of the old magazine), is a free download that has painting tips, rules articles, model rules, and multiplayer rules. It just seems superfluous

 Alfndrate wrote:

But how are the extras at the back of the comic book different than a company that releases a free/cheap pdf with the just the scenarios, "new models", "and more"? Not to mention that I would have to pay for these extras. I mean the comic could turn out to be nothing special, but the scenarios and rules are good.

I guess when you consider that it's a comic book first, and a gaming/hobby publication second, that's a first, but just to compare it to something that started at the same time as the first issue of WWX Comic (February 1st, 2013). Wyrd Chronicles #4 (A reboot of the old magazine), is a free download that has painting tips, rules articles, model rules, and multiplayer rules. It just seems superfluous

IMHO, it will all come down to the production values of the material involved. If they are top notch, then it seems like a great idea to me.

The reason is, most games simply have background material which is then pushed along with new rules releases...new short stories, new references to things happening in their world, etc. But at least to me, that feels much more like 'background'. The idea of having a comic as the core central way that the story of the game is progressed is pretty intriguing, because I would imagine that will make the story seem much more central to the game. Hell, its a whole lot easier to get people to read a comic than a story (no matter how short).

So then if there is this much more central story than most games, having rules and scenarios released each month to help recreate these instances would be a way to have players feel a lot more connected to this story than they do in other games, because they're literally playing along with the story continuously. Not only do they get new ways to play the game (new scenarios), but they'd also get the inspiration for the game (the story in the comic) packaged together with it.

I don't think its a concept that should be applied to every game (or even any other game), but I do think it offers something potentially very unique for this game.

But hasn't Privateer beeing doing this pretty regularly for a while now, with alternative rules and new scenarios in No Quarter? And don't they progress the story?

Heck, even GW releases new scenarios at least once a quarter in the much maligned White Dwarf.....They don't "progress the story" but GW has plenty of other outlets for that.

@Emp - Didn't mean to come off as dismissive, and I understand there are plenty of people that are big time tournament gamers. Its unfortunate, to me, that tournament play is the primary concern of so many, though. I personally think narrative, casual play is more appopriate for a leisure, hobby activity, but then again it get my competetive juices flowing in other ways and understand if others don't. Didn't mean for it to come off as rude, but for me, is it good for tournament play is like, the 5th or 6th thing on the checklist after things like, "do I like the theme/universe," "do I like the models," and "is the game fun to play."

I was going to say, PP and Wyrd progress their respective stories, I think what Yak is saying about the innovative side of things is that it's a comic book instead of short stories, among a few other things.

The two guys doing the comic, do they have a background in comics, like from what I can find, Craig Gallant is a part of the d6 Generation Podcast, but I can't find anything on the artist.

It doesn't really seem all that innovative to me, and with the comic only being released 6 times a year, the story can't progress all that much, at least in comparison to other comic publications. They will have to spend plenty of time building the story. I think to really sell the idea, they could give up a chunk of the first issue for free so people who are skeptical about it can read it without spending the money on it.

 yakface wrote:

Yes, the comic book is quite an innovative idea. Exactly how well it all works out is yet to be seen, but it certainly has the potential to be quite a game changer.

For those not totally up on the concept, the back of each comic book will contain new scenarios/rules allowing players to re-create the battles featured in each comic.

So not only is the comic used centrally to move the story along (whereas most comics traditionally have just been used as side-stories for those game companies that have used them), but they are also a cheap and easy method to constantly push out new rules and scenarios to players.

And then re-issuing them again at the end of the year in a compilation volume should help to alleviate some of that feeling of 'missing key stuff' for those players who don't collect it on a regular basis.

Sounds an awful lot like Chapter Approved to me, just conveyed in a comic rather than a magazine. Not that I'm complaining of course, I wish GW would go back to those days, but while interesting, I would hardly call it innovative.

As for these new Enlightened; bloody hell, why couldn't these have been the wave 1 guys? Now I have to choose between dropping some of the character pieces I really want to afford these, or increasing my pledge and adding them but not eating for three days next week :(

@Alfndrate,
The Comic is coming out with 6x for the first year and will be 12x from the year after.

I have never been to a real gaming tournament, so I don't really appreciate what ACTUALLY takes place in the format of things.
However, as this game has a variety of different styles (Skirmish, Battle and everything in between), would it be feasible to have a tournament include a variety of the structures?

E.g. Start of as a big battle for game 1.
Then as some of your troops have been killed a middle points games is played for game 2.
Then a skirmish game for the final as you near the overall objective of that particular tournament?

I think that the comic idea is pretty fun tbh. I have always felt a bit overwhelmed at the concept of trying to get up to date bit 40K novels,
as the time investment would be HUGE! (I am dyslexic which slows things even more) Please correct me if I am wrong and you are able to keep up easily though.

A comic could be used as an aide to gain interest in a younger audience, perhaps a son/daughter quality time type of activity?
Also, as a military veteran, when I went away on ops and came back, the world didn't stand still while I was away, so you've guessed it. I was further behind! :(
In the UK there are quite a few people into gaming, so going away and coming back to a few comics isn't as daunting. Not that I am expecting my scenario to be the norm.

I have just seen, the new HH for wave 2 Enlightened! they look a whole lot better than wave 1 imho and really please with this result.
I can only hope the ones being redone for wave 1 are equally as nice. But as we say on the KS'er. In Jesse we trust.
The Enlightened, for me, are still in 4th place though. First place being Warrior Nation, 2nd place is Outlaws and 3rd place Union.

The new Enlightened that people are talking about:



I'm not really a big fan.

I like the bipedal versions better - aside from maybe the Spider looking one here...

 Madmick wrote:
@Alfndrate,
The Comic is coming out with 6x for the first year and will be 12x from the year after.

Where is this stated? The page for both the comic and the subscription mention nothing beyond the first year's issues. And I bet that if the comic series is a flop, the company won't continue pumping it out, as such an endeavor would be a waste of money. If it's a hit, I could see this changing.

I have never been to a real gaming tournament, so I don't really appreciate what ACTUALLY takes place in the format of things.
However, as this game has a variety of different styles (Skirmish, Battle and everything in between), would it be feasible to have a tournament include a variety of the structures?

E.g. Start of as a big battle for game 1.
Then as some of your troops have been killed a middle points games is played for game 2.
Then a skirmish game for the final as you near the overall objective of that particular tournament?

You want to keep the points sizes the same throughout the tournament for the most part, though there is nothing stopping you from doing something like that. Those tend to be less competitive tournaments for some odd reason.

I think that the comic idea is pretty fun tbh. I have always felt a bit overwhelmed at the concept of trying to get up to date bit 40K novels,
as the time investment would be HUGE! (I am dyslexic which slows things even more) Please correct me if I am wrong and you are able to keep up easily though.

A comic could be used as an aide to gain interest in a younger audience, perhaps a son/daughter quality time type of activity?
Also, as a military veteran, when I went away on ops and came back, the world didn't stand still while I was away, so you've guessed it. I was further behind! :(
In the UK there are quite a few people into gaming, so going away and coming back to a few comics isn't as daunting. Not that I am expecting my scenario to be the norm.

As someone that recently started collecting comics, I was EXTREMELY daunted because I didn't know what had been happening in the story, what was going on with the characters, or anything else related to the issue I was thinking of buying. Telling the story through your comic isn't a bad idea, but using it to sell scenarios, model rules, etc... is a bad idea (imo). I've also rarely seen younger crowds in the like 6 comic stores I live by. Sure it's anecdotal evidence, but when I go in, and I'm the youngest person there by probably a decade, ya know that younger kids aren't going to be the ones to pick up this comic. Or would the FLGS that stocks this game be expected to sell the comic too? You'd have better luck with a volunteer force ala Pressgangers, Henchman, or old GW Outriders, at least until the game gets going. What if I have no interest in the comic, but I want to keep expanding my ability to play with new stuff, I have to wait until the end of the year collection comes out. Again, why can't these just be released as their own pdfs through the website. I don't care if they charge a dollar for the pdf, but I'm assuming the comic will be sold for 3.99 an issue (the subscription price works out to 3.67 an issue), and who knows how much the end of year collection would be sold for.
You don't have to be up to date on 40k novels, because the story doesn't progress. Most stories take place in the past and the present, none of them take place in the future. The Horus Heresy novels expand upon and change the knowledge we have, but there's no storyline to advance the 40k universe.

Without anything to really go on besides the word of you, earth dragon, and anyone else that is super duper excited for this game, I don't really have any reason to pick up the comic without seeing a few pages of it. You guys are heavily invested, and that's completely okay, but it's hard to get an objective opinion about the stuff related to this release.


Edit: Those new enlightened look similar to the Steampunk Abominations from Malifaux, just less gruesome

@Alfndrate,
Outlaw mentioned the comic release schedule a few weeks ago, when I first got onto the KS'er. not sure where it was though, as I was bouncing all over the site to get up to date, hehe.

There is also a page of the comic on the BoLS site:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/12/what-is-wild-west-exodus.html

and the KS'er Home page.

Not really a lot of info. but since you get the first year in the Rotten pledge. Well, may as well try it

 Madmick wrote:
@Alfndrate,
Outlaw mentioned the comic release schedule a few weeks ago, when I first got onto the KS'er. not sure where it was though, as I was bouncing all over the site to get up to date, hehe.

There is also a page of the comic on the BoLS site:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/12/what-is-wild-west-exodus.html

and the KS'er Home page.

Not really a lot of info. but since you get the first year in the Rotten pledge. Well, may as well try it

Or trade it for minis you'd actually like ;-)

 Alpharius wrote:
The new Enlightened that people are talking about:



I'm not really a big fan.

I like the bipedal versions better - aside from maybe the Spider looking one here...

Hello source of gyro-stablized mono-wheels...

hopefully, they'll work on the matching joint of the body and the machine, as right now, it look too much like two random mini glued together.

I'm hoping the Lawmen faction ($375K unlock) and the Holy Order ($475K unlock) are reached as they sound like interesting factions.

The Warrior Nation and the Enlightened don't appeal to me, and having 'just' Union and Outlaws seems a bit 'meh' for the investment.

Though with 6 days left and Zombicide Season 2 currently running... it doesn't seem likely.

If lawmen unlocked I'd be stoked and probably go in. As it stands I'm not sure I'm going to invest. I like a few of the models but I have to balance the like of the models vs. opportunity to play vs. actual cost and right now opportunity to play is slightly outweighing the other two.

streetsamurai wrote:
hopefully, they'll work on the matching joint of the body and the machine, as right now, it look too much like two random mini glued together.

Well I have to disagree there. I think the are wheely great. hehe

As for the Lawmen unlocking:
I hear it from a lot of people, that they would pledge if they unlocked (I would love them to also).
But if everyone sits on the fence and waits for someone else to pledge first (who is also waiting for you to pledge first),
all you get is that last minute rush and maybe not achieve as high as it could have been.

Just saying, but everyone has their reasons I guess and there is nothing wrong with that.

Anyone know if there are different head options for the base troopers? They kind of look like clones with the same facial hair and hair styles.

Actually now that I'm looking at the Enlightened a little more closely, they really do look like two minis glued together without much forethought...

They're supposed to be servants of some sort I'm guessing by the name "Hired Hands" right? Absolutely nothing about them looks like they might be useable as anything other than a combat piece. Unless of course they're people that were caught sneaking around or stealing things from the Enlightened, and this is their punishment.. Still, for being things that just were cut up, they are remarkably "clean and tidy"... Their shirts are tucked in, they're in a single piece, nothing looks broken, even the head with the skull cut into is nice and neat...

And the facial expressions all look similar :-\

 Madmick wrote:
As for the Lawmen unlocking:
I hear it from a lot of people, that they would pledge if they unlocked (I would love them to also).
But if everyone sits on the fence and waits for someone else to pledge first (who is also waiting for you to pledge first),
all you get is that last minute rush and maybe not achieve as high as it could have been.

Just saying, but everyone has their reasons I guess and there is nothing wrong with that.

Except that if you're running the kickstarter, and you realize you have a large amount of people wanting x stretch goal but don't want to pledge until that goal is hit, you should probably do something to make it more enticing, or else everyone is going to sit on their laurels and not pledge. Remember, you're asking people to give up several hundred dollars of their hard earned cash to something that's not even out.

@Alfndrate,
I totally agree with your assessment about luring people in.
when I looked a few other games I saw Hell D'orado not really giving much away and EotD not doing much. Then I looked at WWX and have to admit that approx 70% discount is an amazing deal. I feel people have to witness the actual event of being given something to believe that they have. We was given 2x BF bags, extra side kicks, bosses, heavies, terrain, mercs, ladies and we are not done yet!! So I understand you feel I am a little biased, but I chose WWX over the other for, in part, this reason.

Living in the UK, I had to minimise postage of multiple games, therefore committing to just one. I chose WWX as I heard the people that were involved and knew they were high profile within the industry and want to stay there. I think that this lends it's self to the amount that is on offer, which in my mind is a lot. I was happy with what I got 2 weeks ago for my Corrupt level pledge. I see anything else as a bonus tbh. Saying that, I did have to put down some more for the train, but cant afford more track. So I think my board will be an end of the line type track, or maybe a blown up segment in the middle so no track is needed. Being in the military makes you kind of resourceful hehe

Anyway, mate picking me up in a mo for dinner, so see you all later.