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The Puppet Deck and the Retro Fate Deck are 11.50 now , and yes I'm a sucker for a fate deck, and honestly would have preferred to have cards rather than plastic cards. They don't shuffle as well and they slide everywhere.

I'm going to gloss over the minis, cause I already covered it like 5 pages ago when people were bitching about the 65 dollar jump from the core set to the dining room gamer, but I agree with you.

I'm excited for the character sheets, I understand that I could just print one out, but if they put them on their website like they did their errata, count me out on that, I'd rather have a pad. I love writing out a character on a sheet by hand...

Agreed on the PDF, it should have been a 10 dollar pledge.

I didn't buy the trees at GenCon, because I thought the idea was ridiculous and I'm kinda glad I saved my money, since I'll be getting one now anyways, but don't have much incentive to build it since I don't play ressers.

I'm with you Caty, I like what the game seems to be promising, Wyrd has a history of getting their kickstarter stuff out, and I'm curious to see how this all pans out.

I don't own the Retro Fate deck, I've never actually been anywhere thats had one for sale, so I can't comment on it. I do have the Puppet Deck though and I actually like the plastic cards, when I was activly running Malifaux leagues in my area I ran into some problems where players where wearing their decks to the point they could effectivly know what was coming. The plastics cards wear less although it does take some time to break them into the point where they shuffle nicely.

The $65 jump from the core set to the dining room gamer does get you three more models. It's largely going to depend on exactly what those models are that determines whether or not that level is worth it. There are two things that are fairly improtant to keep in mind though. One, generally with Wyrd the physical size and weight of a model determine how much they sell it for. Two, Wyrd is pretty good with making it hard to get limited edition models because of this Wyrd limited edition models tend to be quite valuable in the aftermarket.

I completly agree with you on the character sheets. Based upon my RPG group I had thought I was the only person in the world that prefered an actual physical character sheet.

The trees are actually pretty neat, I bought them and the new rulebook online from Wyrd during Gencon. Mostly I did it to hit the $100 level to get the free Miss Terious model. If I can get my hands on a Miss Pack and the Henchman only model I will have all of the Limited Edition stuff Wyrd has released. If anyone in interested I can take some pictures of the Hanging Trees so you can get an idea of what you'd get with that stretch goal.

I was reading through some of my past posts in this thread... I realized just how negative and critical I sounded, especially when I only ment to be critical! Wyrd posting their stretch goals and the interview podcast have gone a ways to reduce my negativity and ctriticalness towards this project. The ball is now firmly in Wyrd's court and only time and future communication, including their Live Stream tonight will determine if I stay a backer.

The Retro Fate Deck is made exactly like the puppet deck (I have both, after some guy in the Masters Tournament at GenCon was flipping terribly and handed it off and said, I don't ever want to see this again. The henchman he gave it to, walked up to me and asked if I wanted it, I said sure lol).

Yeah, I've been watching the Santana Ortega models go for 150 bucks, and those I would say are the rarest simply because it was only open to henchman for a while, and yet NE LCB goes for a lot more. I wouldn't mind a Miss Pack or a Dead Justice box.


There is a Henchman Only model up for grabs in the Dakka Painting Challenge

Or you could mug me for it... I still so want a NE Teddy and LCB

NE LCB is an amazing model, probably one of my favorites that Wyrd has done. Wyrd gave me on to give out as prize support for a Malifaux tournement at Templecon a few years ago, the first place winner traded it to another player for a dead rider box....

Unfortunatly I have no hope of winning a painting contest.

 Catyrpelius wrote:
NE LCB is an amazing model, probably one of my favorites that Wyrd has done. Wyrd gave me on to give out as prize support for a Malifaux tournement at Templecon a few years ago, the first place winner traded it to another player for a dead rider box....

Unfortunatly I have no hope of winning a painting contest.

So jealous of you

My hands down favorite Wyrd LE model was the Gremlinette, I'd love to get my hands on a 2nd one.

I was a big fan of the Warchicken from this past Easter, and the slop hauler in a bunny costume was pretty cute, but alas I don't play gremlins anymore.

Edit: As an on topic update: The KS gained 10 people and about 2k last night from when I went to bed and now. So it's averaging 5k a day since it slowed down over the weekend?

 Catyrpelius wrote:


Assuming this Kickstarter reaches $250,000 the backers at the $60 level will get roughly $110 worth of stretch rewards and at the higher levels will get roughly $120 worth of stretch rewards plus whatever the character sheets are worth to you.

Just to clarify, the $60 pledges get $10 of stretch goal bonuses (assuming you value the PDF at $10. Frankly I value it at roughly $0 after paying for hard copies of the rulebooks.) You don't get any KS specials unless you fork out $125.

Just got this email:

December 4th - over 531% of funding goal

Hi everyone!

Day Seven is coming to a close, so it’s time for the Daily Update!

Tonight, we announce our Week 2 Thank You! To all our backers who pledge before the end of Week 2 at Friday 5 p.m. PST (12/7) we have a thank you bonus in store for you! (and if you've already pledged, that means you!)

Keep your eye on the campaign for when we reveal the Week 2 Thank You reward; that’s all we’ll tell you tonight!

Don’t forget to tune in now! 5 p.m. ‘til 6 p.m. PST (12/4), to chat and listen as our very own Mack Martin answers YOUR QUESTIONS live on UStream TV for our first Breach Side Chat! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/through-the-breach

Until Tomorrow!

Jacqulyn

It seems that there will be a weekly 'thank you' reward revealed sometime this week.

Perhaps this is a way to sweeten the deal for pledging. I kinda like this. It rewards you for pledging early and taking the risk. Though it does suck for the late adopters, but hopefully by the time the late comers get into the kickstarter, there are enough stretch goals reach that it won't matter.

These updates are pretty mediocre.

I have all the LE models and quite frankly, I think wyrd is missing the boat in not doing a new one for this KS.

NE LCB is a nice looking model, but is quite possibly the worst model I've ever had the misfortune of assembling. Tons of gaps. Didn't fit together terribly well. May be worse than the metal thunderfire cannon.

I am a pretty big fan of my Santana Ortega though. She's quite nice.

That's good to hear. Like a lot of this campaign, I wish they'd been more transparent about this (unless it was a change in plans), but I think it's a nice (or at least interesting) alternative to more stretch goals etc. I wonder if it'll catch on?

We shall see

I'm curious as to what the special thank you is.

The tone seems to almost suggest this is a weekly adopter reward that will persist. It may very well be a last-minute idea.

Kicktraq shows a significant rate dropoff after Miss Terious went away:
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1334239018/through-the-breach-a-malifaux-roleplaying-game/#chart-daily

Perhaps a constant weekly reward will convince people to hop on now rather than wait for the underwhelming stretch goals (character sheets and a .pdf) to yield way to the more interesting rewards.

 Absolutionis wrote:
The tone seems to almost suggest this is a weekly adopter reward that will persist. It may very well be a last-minute idea.

Kicktraq shows a significant rate dropoff after Miss Terious went away:
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1334239018/through-the-breach-a-malifaux-roleplaying-game/#chart-daily

Perhaps a constant weekly reward will convince people to hop on now rather than wait for the underwhelming stretch goals (character sheets and a .pdf) to yield way to the more interesting rewards.

This may be part of it. I'm curious, though, how much of an incentive this will be, past the initial grab from fans who jumped on the first round.

I'm really hoping for the best for them, but still confused by their kickstarter. Less annoyed and no longer ambivalent, but... still confused.

An update to tell us there is going to be an update? Did GW make a hostile take over at the weekend?

While I am interested in the RPG I find this KS somewhat tiresome.

 Souleater wrote:
An update to tell us there is going to be an update? Did GW make a hostile take over at the weekend?

While I am interested in the RPG I find this KS somewhat tiresome.

No, an update to link the Q&A Mack Martin did earlier this evening. They also announced there would be a Week 2 pledge bonus. That was the backer update, if you had read it.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Just got this email:

December 4th - over 531% of funding goal

Hi everyone!

Day Seven is coming to a close, so it’s time for the Daily Update!

Tonight, we announce our Week 2 Thank You! To all our backers who pledge before the end of Week 2 at Friday 5 p.m. PST (12/7) we have a thank you bonus in store for you! (and if you've already pledged, that means you!)

Keep your eye on the campaign for when we reveal the Week 2 Thank You reward; that’s all we’ll tell you tonight!

Don’t forget to tune in now! 5 p.m. ‘til 6 p.m. PST (12/4), to chat and listen as our very own Mack Martin answers YOUR QUESTIONS live on UStream TV for our first Breach Side Chat! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/through-the-breach

Until Tomorrow!

Jacqulyn

It seems that there will be a weekly 'thank you' reward revealed sometime this week.

It will be interesting to see if this makes people back earlier than usual on a project. This is actually one of the smarter things that I think they've done with this kickstarter. Although, if your trying to make people get off the fence and back earlier why keep it a secret?

Did anyone get a chance to watch the strem?

 kaiohx wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
An update to tell us there is going to be an update? Did GW make a hostile take over at the weekend?

While I am interested in the RPG I find this KS somewhat tiresome.

No, an update to link the Q&A Mack Martin did earlier this evening. They also announced there would be a Week 2 pledge bonus. That was the backer update, if you had read it.

I did read it. We got two paragraphs telling us about the next update and then a single paragraph about the Q&A.

 Souleater wrote:

 kaiohx wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
An update to tell us there is going to be an update? Did GW make a hostile take over at the weekend?

While I am interested in the RPG I find this KS somewhat tiresome.

No, an update to link the Q&A Mack Martin did earlier this evening. They also announced there would be a Week 2 pledge bonus. That was the backer update, if you had read it.

I did read it. We got two paragraphs telling us about the next update and then a single paragraph about the Q&A.

The details in the update were alittle bare, I would have really liked to know what the week 2 bonus is and some more info on the Q&A would have been nice. However with all the negative stuff I could say about this Kickstarter, their updates aren't the worst I've seen... For me Kittens in a Blender takes that distinction.

Update today guys, Fatemasters hold on to your Soulstones! We've got an adventure for anyone that pledges 60 bucks or more. Probably another book, most likely not a pdf who knows

Wyrd wrote:December 5th - over 541% of funding goal

Hi everyone!

Day Eight is coming to a close, so it’s time for the Daily Update!

We teased you yesterday with talk of a Week 2 Thank You. Everyone who has already pledged and everyone else who makes a pledge ($60 and up) by Friday 5 p.m. PST (12/7) will automatically earn a bonus reward. Plus, if you pledge now (or have already pledged) you’ll already be eligible for our next Thank You bonus! It’s the season of sharing, so share the news with your friends!

The bonus this week will help you give your campaigns spice and excitement right out of the gate! Thank you for your early support and please enjoy: a digital copy of the first official Through the Breach adventure! Titled “In Defense of Innocence” this episode will be the first in our line of stories for the Malifaux RPG, known as the Penny Dreadfuls.

And if you’re wondering “What is this ‘Disposition’ thing everyone is talking about?” give Mack your ear for a while and listen to last night’s Breach Side Chat (don’t worry, you can have your ear back anytime) http://www.ustream.tv/channel/through-the-breach

Until Tomorrow!

Jacqulyn

If they're going to give away PDFs, I have no idea why they don't just make it a stretch goal that's been met and give it to everyone. It's just going to annoy some people who didn't get on the bandwagon in time

They are apparently trying to drive pledges with the fear of missing out on "thank you" bonuses rather than with stretch goals.
Seems that would kill a lot of the interest generated by backers discussing upcoming stretches. This is such a weirdly icky kickstarter.

Sining wrote:
If they're going to give away PDFs, I have no idea why they don't just make it a stretch goal that's been met and give it to everyone. It's just going to annoy some people who didn't get on the bandwagon in time

I did say, most likely NOT a pdf.... Mack also hinted that anything he puts out will be bound in a book.

Edit: Looks like I'm a horse's ass...

Wyrd said it would be digital via twitter, they also said it would be a mini adventure...

This bonus was absurdly underwhelming. This whole thing has been tremendously underwhelming. As a miniatures gamer, I'm having difficulty not dropping my $125 pledge down to the basic book and dumping the difference on KD extras.

I just don't get this Kickstarter. Just don't get it.

 cincydooley wrote:
I just don't get this Kickstarter. Just don't get it.

They saw the success people have been having with Kickstarted products and decided to use it as a preorder system for something that would already get made to the same level of quality anyways.

 plastictrees wrote:
They are apparently trying to drive pledges with the fear of missing out on "thank you" bonuses rather than with stretch goals.
Seems that would kill a lot of the interest generated by backers discussing upcoming stretches. This is such a weirdly icky kickstarter.

It seems petty if you ask me. There can't be any real increase in cost from giving the early backers a PDF and just giving everyone a PDF. I'm guessing this KS won't see a last day surge if they're going to be doing this

RogueRegault wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I just don't get this Kickstarter. Just don't get it.

They saw the success people have been having with Kickstarted products and decided to use it as a preorder system for something that would already get made to the same level of quality anyways.

I meant I don't understand their attitude towards it and the peculiar way in which theyre conducting it. It's just....off.

 cincydooley wrote:

RogueRegault wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I just don't get this Kickstarter. Just don't get it.

They saw the success people have been having with Kickstarted products and decided to use it as a preorder system for something that would already get made to the same level of quality anyways.

I meant I don't understand their attitude towards it and the peculiar way in which theyre conducting it. It's just....off.

Yeah, it still feels really strange to me (both how they're conducting it and how it's being received).


However, I'm quite happy with an adventure-- I never have the energy to come up with completely original material when GMing, so any assistance in a loose narrative is great.