Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread

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**Alpharius**

Thankfully not many (any?) of these are naked!

**cincydooley**

I sidetracked this way too much; my bad.

I simply meant to say that these minis are so very close to art now that I wouldn't be repulsed if they did a "male pinup."

**Alpharius**

We're all friends in here - no problems!

I think we all knew what you were saying, but couldn't resist a little fun at your expense is all!

**Alpharius**

SO yeah, there's a CMON crossover with KD: M and WoK.

Which led to this exchange in the comments section of KD: M -

Tom about 20 hours ago

Maybe Poots can confirm if the Kingdom Death - verse has a sea? I wonder where all the water goes? Survivors gotta eat 'n' drink!

I actually quite like the idea of KD being on an endless plane of black sea. (With a food chain of sea monsters!) Perhaps it is possible to fall off the edge of the world.

Creator Kingdom Death about 18 hours ago

@Tom, that fiction was written for WOK. It is not cannon to KD. Does Kingdom Death have a sea? You know me, not only do I not like spoilers, but I am also totally obsessed with how things in the world are presented. So... I will just have to say... we will have to wait and SEE!

( sorry i couldn't help myself! now I must finish my china battle suit for when i fly back out to do quality control )

**Dentry**

cincydooley wrote:
I sidetracked this way too much; my bad.

I simply meant to say that these minis are so very close to art now that I wouldn't be repulsed if they did a "male pinup."

I'd agree with that. They're not what most people would consider art, but they're certainly not pornography either. If I had to label them based on their depiction on the male and female forms, it'd be tasteful.

Giant penis monsters not withstanding. Obviously.

**cincydooley**

Obviously

**Still Standing**

There are male pinup models. Look at the Chosen, if that isn't a male pinup, I don't know what it is...

**Sinful Hero**

The dragon's male form would be more of a male pin-up- I've seen a post or two(not here) where it had a few people "squeeing" over it. The Chosen could be, but it's more of just a buff monster dude, not actually made as a pin-up. I'm sure there might be a few interested in that kind of thing though.

**DaveC**

Confirmation that the WoK twilight Knight must be bought with a starter minimum

Leif Paulson 1 minute ago

We have gotten a ton of questions about the Kingdom Death crossover miniatures. To be perfectly clear they are tied to starters, If you want one you have to purchase a faction starter. If you were a KD backer, you can access an additional one. It is tied directly to the number of faction starters you get, so if you are pledging at the Ancient King level, you can buy 5 if you really want. Hopefully that makes sense. So no a la carte menu, you cannot buy them individually. Been working this out for a while now, soonest I could get the info to you.

**cincydooley**

If anyone doesn't want to buy a WoK starter, I'll put my name in the hat as someone that is willing to buy a TK for you. I'm in the for the ancient king, so I can buy up to 5 apparently.

**miniholic**

I don't know if it is News, but found this on TGN:

When you see the pics in the link at the bottom you will see, that they too are now working wih WGF. The Sprue is exactly the same as with Dreamforge and Wyrd Miniatures.

Kingdom Death: Monster release pushed back to Quarter 1 of next year
September 9th, 2013

Kingdom Death has updated their Kickstarter project for Monster to say that they’re having to push back release of the game in order to make the pieces more detailed and of higher quality.

Source

From the update:

I decided long ago to match fans enthusiasm by offering my absolute best. Today that same decision has led me here. To ensure that the entirety of the project is the absolute best I can offer, I must delay it. Additional time will be spent on play testing, expansions, and plastic production. This includes a return trip to China to oversee the final 2-3 weeks of production in person.

If there is any one to blame for this delay, blame me and my absolute refusal to compromise the quality of Kingdom Death. A brand built entirely by fans and now thousands of backers. I have never before rushed anything to market or compromised the vision for this project.

This kickstarter has been an amazing opportunity for Kingdom Death and we will not squander it by simply rushing to the finish line.

Link to the KS, with lots of pics!!!: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts

**Sinful Hero**

I hate to say it, but I believe most of the action has moved into the News and Rumors thread- http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/503919.page

**Alpharius**

This one is a bit split, but, it is certainly relevant here:

Slowing down for Quality
Update #77 · Sep 8, 2013 · 238 comments

I am delaying the project.

This has been an incredibly hard decision to make. Sticking to the timeline and fulfilling the entire project on time was paramount. The backers (you guys!) would be thrilled and the final product would be just in time for new buyers during the holiday shopping season. And I think we all know, that is a big deal for the future of KD.

Kingdom Death fans have been supporting this project for a long time, we consistently sell out of our resin stock and not only did they push me with emails everyday to run a kickstarter… once it was live fans became backers and smashed thru every previous record. During the course of the kickstarter campaign we expanded the planned game from a single 12" x 12" box to a 12" x 24" box, 11 game expansions + over 21 single figures! That's HUGE!

I decided long ago to match fans enthusiasm by offering my absolute best. Today that same decision has led me here. To ensure that the entirety of the project is the absolute best I can offer, I must delay it. Additional time will be spent on play testing, expansions, and plastic production. This includes a return trip to China to oversee the final 2-3 weeks of production in person.

If there is any one to blame for this delay, blame me and my absolute refusal to compromise the quality of Kingdom Death. A brand built entirely by fans and now thousands of backers. I have never before rushed anything to market or compromised the vision for this project.

This kickstarter has been an amazing opportunity for Kingdom Death and we will not squander it by simply rushing to the finish line.

Plastic
After touring and evaluating many options, a deal was struck with an incredibly talented factory and we decided that Kingdom Death deserved the best. Essentially, hard plastic kits on sprues, just like GW and many other companies.

The factory is so impressed with Kingdom Death, they are treating it as a true portfolio piece. Not only has no expense been spared, including staffing up their team and buying a new half a million dollar machine to cut finer mold detail. Their commitment is the real deal, they are pushing themselves to their creative and technological limit to produce these minis and I would have it no other way.

A part of this very time intensive process includes scanning every single precious hand-sculpted miniature and painstakingly re-touching them with digital tools to optimize each sculpt for plastic production.

Of course I have photos to share! But please keep in mind that they are not final and still open to more scrutiny and mastering.

Hard plastic costs considerably more than PVC, both in mold and unit cost. The core game has swelled in size so much that the retail value will rise quite a bit to reflect the value added. When the game is released it will be in the $150-$200 range. That is simply the reality of covering costs on the much larger deluxe box, nearly 700 game cards printed with premium materials, record sheets, game book, two game boards! ( the showdown & hunt board ), tokens, and the huge number of hard plastic miniatures on sprues inside the box.

Some of the larger monster, Lion God, Sunstalker and maybe the Gorm. Might still be best kept in PVC. A direct benefit of the delay is running even more tests to determine which material would best suit them. A hard plastic Sunstalker would be dozens and dozens of parts and spread across a stack of sprues!

Art Upgrade
During the campaign, many backers requested that we come up with an icon for every monster to help further distinguish card types from each other. Instead of making just an icon, we went ahead and designed a full gorgeous crest for every single monster in the core game and every expansion monster. The crests will grace the back of the monsters unique decks and will also appear as an icon on the front of their cards. And yeah, I am totally making a t-shirt of the butcher crest.

Story Events

The story event system and the new timeline have been so well received by play testers. We are refining it further and adding more. The originally planned 19 full page illustrations for the game book has blossomed to well over 30. ( maybe around 40?) Many of the expansions are getting an art boost too. Details will come down the pipeline later. Here are some quick WIP shots ( these actually just came in 5 mins ago! ) of some of the additional illustrations going into the core game book :

Oh that reminds me, I don't think I've shown the artwork for the Mask Maker yet! Here it is below.

How long is the delay?

Initially fulfillment was planned for Q4 2013, with operations beginning late November. Now we are looking at Q1 2014. I will have a firmer date once everything is loaded onto cargo boats and headed for our warehouse.

Poots' Crappy Painting!
Part of the process of quality checking the plastics… is actually taking a brush to an assembled kit! I want to ensure that the details are not too soft and get obscured by paint too easily. I am in no way a good or even great painter, but even I can tell the difference between a challenging detail and one that not polished enough on the manufacturing end. Faces need to be crisp and edges need to be sharp! Here is a photo of my WIP hard plastic dragon sacrifice that I have shared with the factory. Maybe when I finish It I'll share it with you guys again.

I appreciate everyone's tremendous support. I'm still very grateful for this incredible opportunity. It has been a little crazy at times and it certainly has had its challenges. Doing right by the brand and keeping the quality high is the right choice. By popular request, we will be updating more frequently with smaller updates so we can bring everyone along with us as we wrap up.

!!!

Thank you,
- Poots

So, given the revelations here, you can email them to unlock your pledge and add more stuff.

Also:

Creator Kingdom Death about 8 hours ago

@Larabic, You can add. And I know this is gonna sound crazy but... we can only keep it open and take requests for a short window. We have to, HAVE to get back to the normal daily schedule. if you do, keep in mind that your entire pledge has to be re-done - so remember what you had in there!

**lucasbuffalo**

Re-opened and double my pledge >.>. My poor, poor wallet.

**Alpharius**

lucasbuffalo wrote:
Re-opened and double my pledge >.>. My poor, poor wallet.

Dare I ask - doubled to what?

**lucasbuffalo**

Alpharius wrote:
lucasbuffalo wrote:
Re-opened and double my pledge >.>. My poor, poor wallet.

Dare I ask - doubled to what?

To 450

**cincydooley**

Yikes. I'm still higher than that.... Oi vey what am I doing

**BrookM**

We went in for all the expansions, all the characters that offered even just one mission or equipment card and my brother wanted all the plastic pin-ups when the pledge manager became available. Toss in shipping and we're well, I don't even want to know now how far beyond the original $700 we are..

**Alpharius**

cincydooley wrote:
Yikes. I'm still higher than that.... Oi vey what am I doing

Yeah, me too - yikes!

Still, I have the 'benefit' of not having to add anything on at this point.

I was already pretty much all in for plastic everything as it is!

**Alfndrate**

*stretches arms out* I'm not in this at all, my wallet is feeling pretty fantastic

**Krinsath**

Yeah...with the stuff I added the last time around I ended up in BrookM's original territory so...thanks for making me look like less of a plastic addict!

Even if your pledge is technically for two people......

All things considered, I think I'm good with where I'm at after reviewing my receipt. The only thing I'd maybe add is more rawhide and basic survivors, but since we're getting 8 of each of them in the core box, I don't know that I love them THAT much to have them unlock the pledge manager to get more.

Still, March 2014 (end of Q1, no crystal ball gazing here) only gets closer from here on out, no matter how much it feels like it's getting farther away...

**KoganStyle**

I guess its just the worry that some people will end up with female legs/arms/torsos for their male character if you only have two lots of the said pieces in your collection and were playing with a largely one-sex group (which totally doesn't happen right...)

Looking through the list I think the only armour sets where this would be an issue at Survivour level is Fur, Leather, Dragon, Lantern, Spider and Gorm. I don't think leather is an option to expand on and only if you are getting certain expansions (and who isn't getting the radiation inducing Dragon King?!) will affect the amount of armour that could be required.

I guess it would have been good to know how likely it is you are to be able to make multiple types of gear (I can't imagine Phoenixes go down easily) before purchasing, but for that you'd need to wait until retail for people to review and advise.

i guess if you are using magnets, it becomes a little less of an issue.

**Alpharius**

Tantalizing tidbits...

Creator Kingdom Death about 18 hours ago

Settlement wipe yesterday, an enraged, ground fighting level 2 lion wiped out two hunting teams in a row. How the cards lined up to make that exact combination twice in a row... augh isolated statistics be damned!

Funny enough, if we had grabbed those darts or the whisker harp we would have been fine. But nuuuuu everyone had to spend their resources on silly things like better weapons and fancy armor. -_-

Creator Kingdom Death about 4 hours ago

Butcher forced 2 Survivors into retirement today. Blinded one with 2 seperate critical injuries to the head, took one eye the first time, then the other a few rounds later. The other took a blow to the head that left them slowed and unable to gain or spend survival points anymore so... yeah. That's two benchwarmers. Thankfully our group was pretty prepared and we managed to push thru.

But... it was only a lvl 1 butcher. The level 2 will be knocking on our door in around 3-4 lantern years if the nemesis rolls favor us! That's not a lot of time to get ready.

**Sway**

One thing I'm worried about (and have been for a while but these tidbits are beginning to confirm my suspicions) is that players are going to find themselves playing a whole lot of early game and very little late game.

What I mean is, if the game is as challenging and unforgiving as it's supposed to be (and I really hope it is) then it's going to take a long time for the players to ever face things like the Dragon King or the Gorm. Those of us who spent loads of money on this project may see very little in-game use out of most of the expansions.

This is not to say that I feel tricked or even disappointed. Even if the game is entirely unplayable, I'll be content with the quality models. Plus, I knew going in that these were end game bosses and that I was basically purchasing a variety of endgames. But I am worried that I may get bored of the "easy" monsters in my quest to experience all of the tougher stuff.

I guess what I'm really hoping for is expansions that focus less on the powerful baddies (even the flower knight and manhunter seem like pretty formidable opponents) and more on giving us a large variety of small things closer to the scale of the white lion, antelope, and kingsmen.

But then again that's pretty much all wild speculation and I could be entirely off base.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Maybe you can use house rules to start the game at a later "save point" in order to face the tough stuff? Either that or just cheat through the small stuff.

I personally doubt I will ever play the game at all. It sounds incredibly tedious and depressing. Thankfully, the models I'm getting look fabulous.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I think everything is pretty formidable, so think of the expansions in general as more different things to encounter

(except of course the end game changers like the Dragon King & Adult Sunstalker)

but only Adam and his playtester know

**Absolutionis**

From what I understand, if your character "dies", all their equipment remains. All you do is take the gear you've built, reduce the settlement's population by one, and you get a new character with all the equipment of the old one.

A settlement wipe only occurs after all players run out of the communal pile of "extra lives". It's a great mechanic that encourages spreading the loot, sharing, and protecting your allies. Their failures affect you.

You're encouraged to keep your individual character alive through "survival points", but as far as progression goes, equipment is a huge factor.

In the end, you won't necessarily be playing through a bunch of early games. A character death or even a party wipe isn't the end; it's just a setback.

**Alpharius**

Absolutionis wrote:
From what I understand, if your character "dies", all their equipment remains. All you do is take the gear you've built, reduce the settlement's population by one, and you get a new character with all the equipment of the old one.

A settlement wipe only occurs after all players run out of the communal pile of "extra lives". It's a great mechanic that encourages spreading the loot, sharing, and protecting your allies. Their failures affect you.

You're encouraged to keep your individual character alive through "survival points", but as far as progression goes, equipment is a huge factor.

In the end, you won't necessarily be playing through a bunch of early games. A character death or even a party wipe isn't the end; it's just a setback.

That's the way I see it too - as long as you can keep your population up, things should be OK.

Or as "OK" as possible in the grim and perilous world of...Kingdom Death!

**Alpharius**

More playtest tidbits!

Creator Kingdom Death about 12 hours ago

Just had a bunch of fresh players run a closed box test. They table erupted in cheers when the final blow to the intro white lion, was a critical hit to the groin! However, they did lose 1 survivor in the fight, then another 2 on a botched roll on the intimacy table and sadly their Settlement "Ballox" rolled the lowest possible score for initial population generation. Leaving just 5 survivors going into year 2!

The botched 'intimacy roll' sounds funny, and I think this was the result:

Creator Kingdom Death about 12 hours ago

On a roll of 1, both survivors nominated decide to vanish into the darkness.

**Sinful Hero**

That's just hilarious. I can see some people getting upset about it though.