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Well, if it is true, I guess that explains the glacial pace on his own campaign that he's already received all the money for.

If it is true...

Disappointing, I think this guy has really burnt through all good will. I think my order has been waiting on one sculpt for months now.

It would probably good to post asking in the KS comments. I've given up posting there, as I already voiced my opinion, but more pressure on him to work towards completing the project in a timely fashion, the better.

I wonder if it was all down to not wanting to deliver extra minis for the Complete Imbrian Package pledges? He was on the hook to deliver extras of anything else sculpted by Jan 2014, so no incentive to hurry. He just has to include the KS figures only now... and gives absolutely no indication of when that will be.

Anyone have a direct link to where Tre says this was Jody's work?

 RiTides wrote:
It would probably good to post asking in the KS comments. I've given up posting there, as I already voiced my opinion, but more pressure on him to work towards completing the project in a timely fashion, the better.

I wonder if it was all down to not wanting to deliver extra minis for the Complete Imbrian Package pledges? He was on the hook to deliver extras of anything else sculpted by Jan 2014, so no incentive to hurry. He just has to include the KS figures only now... and gives absolutely no indication of when that will be.

So then would these beer and whatever minis count towards that if they ARE his sculpts?

Pretty miffed with this whole thing now. Are the undead minis done? Glad I didn't go in for the dragon now.

Anyone have a direct link to where Tre says this was Jody's work?

About midway down the page

http://frothersunite.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=46720&start=20

Thanks Orlando!

I suppose I'll go ask now...

So, how many models as he actually sculpted in 14 months of "full time work"?

Apparently "how you answer a Frothers guest" is with self-righteous disregard for how poorly you have run your first crowd funding project.


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I think I'm counting 12 that have gone from concept to finished or nearly finished since the KS ended?

So that's less than one model a month.
Guessing that's below the pace of most professional sculptors who aren't slowly starving to death in a shack somewhere.

I can certainly understand the need to work two jobs, but really, he should focus on fulfilling his Kickstarter commitments first, I think.

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So then would these beer and whatever minis count towards that if they ARE his sculpts?

Pretty miffed with this whole thing now. Are the undead minis done? Glad I didn't go in for the dragon now.

Apparently not, as they're not "Imbrian" models. His quotes on Frothers are incredible:

This is called working two jobs. I work 5 days a week just like everyone else and what I do in my free time is my own business. If I feel inspired to create drunks, I'm going to put in my 10 hours of work for that day (if it's a work day), then I'm going to create drunks.

There's no need to run a kick starter for this. I'd rather offer people a finished product that they can have in their hands when they click buy than promise them a product when I can get around to it. As "guest" mentioned, I've already run a great kick starter, but it IS delayed, so finishing that is my priority. This is simply a fun side project that my friends and I have been working on in our spare time. It does includes stats, rules, and cards for Imbrian models and gives those backers from the IA project something to do with their models while I work on finishing the rest of that line.

Yup, and I do often work in my free time. The people I live with would tell you I work more than anyone they know, but only because I enjoy what I do. In fact I find myself spending this weekend packaging miniatures so I can get the last of the resins out the door.

Nevertheless, you can't expect someone working on a project that was expected to take a year at the least from the get go to not be allowed days off, to spend time with friends and family, to recharge, to spend time on hobbies that they enjoy, for an entire year and more. I work at least 50 hours a week, you have to give me time to live and pursue other passions outside of that.

With regard to the project, I have two of for sets done and a third which is 40% complete. And anyone at any time can request finished models to be shipped to them.

I'd hate to have this thread derailed sir. If you wouldn't mind messaging or emailing me is be happy explain the details and answer questions.

It took him two months to ship the metals, going on two months to ship the resins. Hardly any sculpting progress shown since October or so, unless you count these "non Imbrian" models. Which people can use their Imbrian models to play this game with... rather than, you know, finishing the Imbrian rule set.

Absolutely incredible. What's most amazing is how brazen he is about it. Not running a KS for this other game isn't because it doesn't need one, but rather, the bad press he would justifiably get... plus, who would back it? I feel really bad for the "Complete Imbrian Package" backers now. Technically, he doesn't owe them these models, but who would've guessed he'd go "RAW" (rules as written) on that wording, and sculpt "non Imbrian" models last year?


Again, just plain incredible. I see he posted this in the KS comments this evening:

Creator Jody Siegel about 2 hours ago
Nah, Bar fights is just a small side project. I came up with the idea about 9 months ago and it seemed like such an awesome idea that my friends quickly got on board and offered to help out. The miniatures are all old, an hour here and there over the past 8 months in my spare time but we've not showed them because there's no point showing off a miniature and saying, "one day, maybe next year, You'll be able to get this mini" It's better to hoard them until you have a more cohesive vision that you can share with people.
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But also yes, I really wanted to get this game out there so that people would have a use for some of their imbrian arts minis. I could have held on to them and kept them out of sight until the KS was done but where would be the fun in that? All of our minis would be collecting dust. The side game seemed like a great way to revive people's interest in the miniatures.
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The biggest delay in the past couple of months has just been trying to go through orders, send stuff out, especially the resin stuff, (which I should be done with tonight) and trying to get in house resin casting going. I've finally got a really got system working and I've been using it to cast all of your bones. There are a couple of reasons doing it in house is necessary.
One is quality and price. The castings I've been able to produce are much nicer. Mould lines are barely visible and there's no shifting which would require heavy blade work. It also costs me barely anything except time.
Second. In the past we had a lot of production issues when the casters prepped the resin masters themselves. The gnoll, demonic eye, King of Ghouls, monk and some others I can't think of right now all had to be fixed by myself after the metal samples failed QC. It's a lot of back and fourth in the post, eating up time. So it's a hell of a lot simpler if I cast the miniature here, get a few awesome casts, and clean them up so I KNOW they'll fit together the way they're supposed to.
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In-house casting is also worth it because there's zero turnaround when it comes to getting resin done. I can produce this stuff fairly quickly because I don't have to share the caster's time with other businesses and clients. I can finish a miniature, and put it in a mould the same day, and be casting miniatures 24 hours later instead of waiting a month to get them back.
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But as I said, I'll finally able to get back to sculpting again this week, which is awesome. I've been dying to get back to the ifrit.

Still working on the Ifrit. Apparently shipping takes 4 months with no sculpting in the interim. And waiting on masters takes all your time, rather than sculpting. He keeps vaguely pointing to casting, or shipping (for months)... anything but admit he hasn't sculpted hardly anything since early autumn. Since when are casting companies like Valiant not able to make masters from a green?

This is the first mention of his casting in house, and honestly it sounds far fetched. Why just mention it now? I feel like the excuses just keep getting more elaborate here, and he continues to refuse to show sculpting progress... Which is all he's supposed to be doing. Unless he needs to cast the resins himself because the money for having it done professionally is gone...?

Whatever the real situation is, it's clearly not good. And even if it's all true, there's no transparency at all. He's been learning to cast in resin and just now mentioned it? Ugh whether it is true or not

Geez, if working 50 hour weeks isn't enough, how the hell did he plan to meet his original deadline?

Did Imbrian Arts just pull a McVey on themselves?

Good Lord, I a) had forgotten that I had even pledged for this thing, and b) just took a look and realized the expected date of shipping is February.

Of 2013!

You guys might want to contact KS, re: accountability.

At this point, the stress isn't worth it compared to the amount I put into it.

I'm going to try and forget this one exists, and then hopefully be pleasantly surprised when they eventually show up.

Jody's a fantastic talent, just maybe not the most 'business savvy' guy out there.

Yes, I am resorting to impotent fist shaking and then waiting for my minis to turn up.

I don't think lack of 'business savvy' is the issue. I don't think he loves being late, but he doesn't really seem to care, or think that there's an issue at all.
Compared to Red Box, where you could see Tre dying a little every time he updated with bad news.

The reality is, Tre was super late, but super communicative and passionate and I will be supporting future projects, kickstarter or otherwise.
Jodi is super late, has been horrible at providing meaningful updates and doesn't seem to care about losing goodwill. I won't be supporting future projects of his.

What is Cashwileys problem? Is he involved in the project, hates discussion, or just has a problem with ritides?

I think he's just a fan, no big deal really- everyone is entitled to their opinion and he's a supporter. I'm rabid for other projects and I think he just really likes this one. So really, no biggie!

Jody messaged me and said he'd post here to explain some things and that people's impressions are important to him. So, hopefully there are more updates from here on out.

Hi guys, this is Jody the horrible imbrian arts guy.

First, I want to thank RiTides for bringing this discussion to my attention. I had NO idea that people were this upset and that there was this much ill will developed about the KS or myself in general.

Your opinion mean A LOT to me, you as customers mean A LOT to me as well. I hate letting people down and I hate disappointing people and it makes me really sad to read stuff like this. I take unhappy customers very personally.

So I want to tell you all what I told RiTides, I'm happy to answer your questions about anything you'd like to know and dispel a lot of the misinformation and speculation about what's been going on. Anyone here is welcome to message me, find me on FB, email me, hit me up on skype (jodysiegel) whatever you'd like. I'm happy to answer questions and I'm very easy going. I get really wrapped up in work sometimes, so if I don't respond within 48hours, bug me again.

I've tended to stay off of forums in the past. The internet is notorious for facilitating misunderstandings and creating strife between people, and I've been very apprehensive about being vocal about the delays and their causes. I'd really hate for people to get the impression that Valiant is a bad company because I had to frequently post updates about the bad masters and miniatures that I had to turn back which failed QC, resulting in more work for myself, as I have to fix them, not valiant, and more delays for you guys. After Ed from Trollforged and I had our falling out and parted ways, the thought of having to contact my caster to tell them I had a problem with their work would make me physically ill, and anxious. The last thing I wanted to do was tell the world that there were issues with valiant's work and that they had to be sent back. I was scared valiant would be upset with me for making them look bad, and that I'd be a horrible customer to them. For that reason, I kept quiet about the issues and posted very little and kept you guys out of the loop. I'm very sorry about that. I talked to Valiant about it and much to my surprise and relief, they were ok with it. In their own words, they said, it's a process, and it's not perfect. If the customer isn't happy with it, then we have to keep working at it until it works. (This unfortunately eats up a bit of both our time) I'm also guilty of being more active in the comments than in updates. As RiTides tells me, stuff like my starting in house casting is something that should go in those updates. So I'll be doing more of that.

So, some things that jump out that I can answer immediately-

I've had no intention, ever, of trying to cheat backers out of free minis. I have plenty of miniatures that I've made over the years that I've made on the side, for fun, or because I was inspired to do so that have never seen the light of day, and that's how the beer and d6s stuff got started. It took me several months to find the time to work on them, and then I held them back because I had no reason, like the others, to share them. Here's the quote I made on NOV 25 promising free miniatures.

"So right now I have a couple of funny sculptures that I'd like to give out, but they're not really related to this game. I've been sitting on them for a while because I'd like them to be part of something else down the road. But here's a piece (and that's all you get!)
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a634/jodysiegel/b630c40a-fc74-4c3f-b4d4-b22f36865839_zps17b18deb.jpg…"

I feel that after all the delays we've had in this KS, I owe my complete package guys some free stuff for putting up with the delays so graciously.

I have made comments in the past, at least one that I remember about starting casting in house. The reason for this is that in most cases, the resin masters that I have received from the casters, and the ones that get used to make the metal masters have been the cause of almost every single delay we've suffered. But it's also a lot faster and less expensive to do it in house. This takes a lot of work off of Valiant's shoulders and means that I can get resin masters made the same week that I finish a miniature rather than waiting in the customer line for valiant to do it.

About Wips. I love sharing wips. I used to do it all the time, and people LOVE seeing them, who doesn't? It's a huge boost to know that people like what you're working on and I love feedback. The downside of that though, and any sculptor will tell you. If you show the wips and then don't make the product available immediately afterwards, people lose interest in them, and when you do make them available, no one cares. People move on to the next new thing and your shop lies dormant. I've had to restrain myself and tell myself over and over, not to show off the wips until I have something to sell, because if I give in to that impulse, it's going to make it harder to live off of my sculpting. Lots of miniature businesses keep their projects under wraps until they're ready, and I'm trying to do the same for a change. The massive down side that I'm seeing, is that backers still want to be in the loop, and want to see progress. But I need to make money on these right? If they don't sell then I have nothing to spend on food, rent, utilities, etc.

My question to you guys, that I'd genuinely like your feedback on, is what is more important? Should I keep the miniatures held back so that I they don't fall flat on release, or should I share them with backers to keep them engaged?

So moving forward, I will do my best to keep you guys engaged, and I am always open and approachable to chat. I'm not aware of all the forums out there, but I'll try and check in on this regularly. The fastest way for me to get back to you is to send me a message. I'm reachable through almost all forms of social media. And let me know what I can do for you guys to keep you interested, and satisfied that I'm doing the best I can to give you awesome miniatures.

Best,
Jody

Thanks for posting,

As somebody who was very interested in your KS but didn't have money to back it at the time I'd love to see WIPs and my favourite KS projects are the ones that communicate regularly even if there is not a lot to say as it shows they're still active and engaged with the project

(I do keep a list of stuff I have to have when they are released)

but if you've found in the past that showing WIPs too early hampers future sale I can understand your reluctance to show them

Hello Jody!

Thanks for taking the time out to post here, and thanks for the renewed commitment to keeping us up to date on the progress on this Kickstarter.

Your miniatures are simply amazing, and really recall the glory days of Rackham.

Is there any timing update on the sculpting necessary to complete this Kickstarter?

And is there an update on the progress on the rules for the game based on these miniatures?

Thanks again - and welcome to Dakka Dakka!

Rearding WIPs, a great way that Privateer Press and other companies get around the issue you're talking about is by previewing parts of models, rather than whole models. It keeps the suspense up until closer to when it's for sale, but shows that they're working on awesome stuff... a similar strategy could work here.

(I'd prefer full WIP models, of course, but it's a compromise that would be much better than showing nothing)

I prefer full on WIP shots - I think that the positives and advantages far outweigh any negatives or disadvantages to Full Reveals.

I prefer full reveals as well. I'm hoping that speedy turnarounds of resin masters will allow me to show you wips right away and then have those models for sale by the end of the week. So let's say it takes me two weeks to sculpt a model and then dismantle and prep it for casting, then make the mould. I should be able to pull 4 or 5 good master castings from it the following day which I can use to make a couple more moulds, which would take another 24 hours. On the second day I should now be producing about 60 casts of that miniature per week. It would then take a day or two to assemble and take some nice photos and get the website ready for a new release. This would allow me to show you wips shortly after the masters have been made, then show you resin casts and have the models available for sale the same week, and in total we'd be looking at a 5 week process. Start to finish.

I'll try it with the Ifrit and Lich and see if those estimates turn out to be accurate.

About the timing on the remaining models. There's 14 left I think and they are all of varying sizes and complexity. Stuff like the forest elemental would be really difficult to judge, but it's very big and very detailed. It's easier to estimate smaller pieces. Looking at the Undead it seems like:

Piper- 2 weeks
Death knight - 3 weeks
Necropath- 2 weeks
Corpse knight- 3 weeks
death spore- 1 week

Then we'd have a set for most while a few people wait for the shadow.

These estimates are purely for sculpting and don't take into account the time I spend working on the website, casting, assembling miniatures, taking pictures, fulfilling orders, packaging miniatures, etc. which have an effect on the time I have available to sculpt.

We'll see how things go with the casters after that. If there are issues with the masters, that will affect the timing some, but I'll keep you updated, and show you pics.

Hiss! Civil discourse instead of anonymous yelling in to the internet! It burns!

Thanks for taking the time to post Jody, it is very much appreciated.
As has been said, updates are everything. Weird as it may sound backing a Kickstarter, for me at least, is quite personal. Particularly when it's not "here's a million freaking models for $10". I am choosing to support a product that I think could be awesome. The only way to return that trust is with communication.
The more silence, the more I am likely to interpret delays as negatively as possible. Hence building frustration.
For me at least, it has nothing to do with "I gave you money! Work monkey!". It has everything to do with being included in part of the project.

Melodrama aside, I am very much looking forward to getting my Undead set and still looking forward to seeing what you do in the future.

Joyboozer wrote:
What is Cashwileys problem? Is he involved in the project, hates discussion, or just has a problem with ritides?

He's a good guy really. He just has a very "pro artist" opinion of these things and is a bit over-sympathetic to "artists" and a bit on the "Kickstarter= taking your chances" side. Like I said, really he's a nice guy, I've known him for years now, but that's one of the things he and I head-butt on occasionally as we don't exactly see eye to eye on.




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Good move posting here, Jody.

I'm not a backer (couldn't afford it at the time) but openness and good communication with your backers is really bloody important. People have given you hundreds individually and $63k collaboratively (even if Amazon/KS take their cut, the backers gave that money to you, and you paid the fee to Ama/KS as their fee). As such, you owe your backers a decent level of communication.

I'm not fan of Rob Lane, but look at the previews in the Mierce KS threads (spend the time to look through them). They're previewing models months ahead of them hitting backers, let alone retail. Look at Dreamforge games - also well over a year late (and still no real idea when we'll get our last models) but people don't flame Mark because he keeps his backers in the loop with regard to production and such. He also makes an effort to keep in contact with us here on Dakka by contributing to threads and being a participant. Simply put, he's "one of us" and not one of the many producers who comes along to engage with the forumites here only when it's time to ask for money for their latest KS.

With the Beer and D6 stuff - I'm both sympathetic and not sympathetic. As a painter I really understandthe need creatively to just do something different and just for fun, not constrained by your "work list". On the other hand, 363 people, $64k and a year late.... the obvious way to "fix" this would be to include those in the $350 and $550 levels, since those 80 people paid a metric gakload of money to you in good faith, so saying "no, those models aren't Imbrian Arts just smacks of dishonestly. Whether you did them in your "off" hours or not - especially given how late the project is now running. Sorry mate, I read your justifications but they don't make it seem any less so to me - it reads like rules lawyering. Conversely, if you're short of cash, then I doubt many would have a problem if you openly and honestly communicated that you were going to take a commission or two to help keeping funds coming in (as Tre' has with Mierce) - again, openness and honesty with your backers here is key.

Ultimately of course, it's your choice and your reputation. If you stick with the current plan, some people (like my mate Cash Wiley) and a lot of others in the comments of your KS will no doubt continue to support you, whatever you do. Others, like the recently-vocal members of Dakka - and bystanders like myself would probably be a wee bit more cautious before parting with our money when you're the recipient. Tre's first two (three?) campaigns were a giant clusterfeth, but Tre' always managed to come across as sincere and honest, and never came across like he was trying to screw or rules lawyer his backers out of what was promised. And while I'm sure you're also a great person to those around you, from here it looks a bit different - and perception is reality to a degree.

So I'll join others in thanking you for taking the time to post here, echo that you are indeed an amazingly talented sculptor, and reiterate that I don't have any money tied up in your KS - but I'm an interested sideline observer who spends a lot of money (way too much) on models.

Thanks for the comments Azazelx.

Let me try to clear this up again, because that is something that was implied here on this forum that was very wrong and I've addressed it before but it's buried in the middle of my first post so it might have been overlooked.

Way back on the 25th of November, I mentioned in the KS comments that I had some miniatures that I wanted to give out, but they weren't really game related, and I showed a tiny pic of the dwarf. That was in response to people saying it was a shame that they couldn't get any extra minis.

"So right now I have a couple of funny sculptures that I'd like to give out, but they're not really related to this game. I've been sitting on them for a while because I'd like them to be part of something else down the road. But here's a piece (and that's all you get!)
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a634/jodysiegel/b630c40a-fc74-4c3f-b4d4-b22f36865839_zps17b18deb.jpg…"

I wanted to let people know they would get free stuff, but I didn't want to share what it was just yet. I have never ever intended or wanted to cut my backers out on that. Beer and d6s is a separate game, simply because the subject matter (a bar fight) doesn't fit with the theme of the rest of the imbrian arts line. It's still an imbrian arts product and it will be available through both the BD6 website and the Imbrian website.

The stuff on Frothers is not justification to not include miniatures for those backers, it's an explanation as to why I made those miniatures in the first place.

Thanks for clearing that up... however, another knock on the Beer and D6s game is that, there are supposed to be rules for Imbrian Arts models, and as you say they won't really fit with that game. So, it would've been nice to hear about you making progress on the rules for this game- I actually came Very close to pledging big, anticipating those rules would at least be sketched out in a year or so... and here we are a bit past that point, with nothing done on them at all (seemingly) but a completely different game's rules being developed.

Once again thanks for posting here, and hopefully the above also illustrates why people wouldn't be too happy to hear about the Beer and D6s game, even if the minis are included for those at the Collector levels. People really pledged for something to use your amazing Imbrian Arts minis with. Even at my pledge level, I'm still supposed to get a set of downloadable beta rules... I actually completely forgot about this as there has been no talk on that front whatsoever. The idea that you could make a different game, but not have the beta rules ready for the game that funded, is frustrating.

I am also curious if you have shipped any pledges that include Bones yet (for use in that game)? I believe I got my pledge so quickly partially because I said I did not need bones (which was to help offset the metal cost for you, actually, not because I didn't want the bones!). But the bones were also supposed to be integral to the game, and I know you've said you're casting them... but that's the kind of thing you can without question put out an update on without spoiling anything.

And I agree with Azazelx that Mierce previews miniatures far ahead, and it has not hurt their sales at all, rather it generates excitement for "what's coming next" and gets people looking at their page, which gets them buying.

That's a pretty easy answer. In order to offer rules for the Imbrian game the summoning circle needs to be remade to include a sixth side. This would require a major bit of time with me not sculpting and just creating art, both real and in photoshop. What I have in mind is somewhat complicated and detailed artistically, like everything I make, so it would take time and a lot of inspiration. But I'm here to please. If everyone says minis can wait, work on the artwork necessary to get the game up and running then ok! But I'd like to get a few more miniatures out there so I can show some more progress first.

I've been concerned that the majority of people would rather have miniatures than rules and no miniatures to play with. So I don't want to stop the sculpting just yet. My goal is to have play test rules done, or mostly done by the time the Undead is ready, since that is a really popular set and once it's out, people will be wanting to know more about the game.

I know a few artists who could help out, and we've been discussing art for art trades, so that might be another route.

When it comes to rules design, Beer and D6s is so much simpler than a full on skirmish game. The rules are probably about 10 pages long. It plays more like a board game, and I've had help with it. Most of my friends in the area are not miniature gamers like were are, but they are VERY interested in beer and drinking games so they are much more devoted to getting together to play test and create rules for that. Beyond that, they have no interest in skirmish games and miniatures. So quick and easy, lots of willing participants and contributors to the rules.

By contrast, the Imbrian game is highly complex. There's a lot to deal with. A couple hundred spells to make and balance. The mechanics with the bones are quite simple, but like MTG it's the spells and the rules for the creatures that make it complex.

I have shipped pledges with bones in them. Valiant initially cast 750 sets for me and they were included in all the goblin, desert sets, and complete package pledges. Basically, if I have all the miniatures in your pledge, then it's been shipped, including bones. Once I ran out of Valiant's stock, I started making my own.

I agree that when you have a game, showing previews for miniatures can create a lot of buzz. Look what happens when GW pics and rules get leaked. There's endless discussion about composition and how the new figs/rules will affect play. Since I don't have rules yet for people to get excited about, I don't know if that's going to happen here.

Another update!

Update #49

Feb 26 2014
Resin Everywhere!
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Wow! I had an entire update deleted thanks to the cat. What a jerk.

Ok, we are done shipping resin to the collectors level pledges! It was a huge effort getting all the parts together. I hope you like them

As we've mentioned before. We've devoted some time and resources into getting in house casting set up. It has a number of benefits and I'm really pleased with the results we're getting now. The Kick Starter allowed us to have casts made by valiant for our backers, but I was concerned about whether or not there would be enough available to do full runs of 250 casts on each figure so we couldn't provide them to non backers despite the interest. I'm very happy to be able to make them available, hopefully very soon. Before we do, we're going to spend some time improving the presentation and packaging of our miniatures.

Here are a few pics of what we've been working on.




We gate our miniatures a little bit differently than Valiant. Initially the models were attached to the sprue via the hand. This created a lot of work for the modeller to cut and prep the pieces to fit together properly. This method is easier to remove from the sprue and will require little, if any prep work.


Instead of plastic, all of our bones are cast in a very hard, but highly detailed resin.

A drunk dwarf!

I previewed this guy a few months back. Here he is now, ready for you backers. It started out as a just for fun side project but the idea has grown a life of its own! My friends and I got together and turned this little drunk into the star of a drinking game. More on that later. While it was never originally intended to be part of this game, it's still an Imbrian arts miniature so we're throwing it in as a freebie for complete package backers. For more info check out www.imbrianarts.com

Stay tuned! We'll have a new update for you in a couple of weeks when Monsters of the Imbrian attack a tavern near you!

Fantastic looking miniatures - as always!