Here they are... Dark Angels Jan. 2013

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**Drunkspleen**

If only GW cared when we whined about things.

**Synister_Intent**

I didn't read through all 29 pages, but I would like to apologize before hand, but when is the new Codex scheduled for release?

**Ronin_eX**

The close-order toughness rule is awesome (wonder how it works). Great for deep striking. And to hear that Smite is a once-per-game deal is interesting (I've always liked resource management stuff). Now you can save it for when you really need it. It isn't as situational as on-the-charge only and it isn't as over the top as in every first round. I think I'll favour several small units of these guys so that I can save several Smites up. Still wondering if they are keeping the normal two attacks or if the OP's guess at 3 (due to fuzzy text) is going to be on point (if so, holy crap).

The Dark Shroud is going to be fun to play around with. A mobile Black Knight gunline with 3+ cover saves or the aforementioned terminator gun line (and don't forget the rumour of them having split fire making this even sweater).

Certainly a lot of interesting mechanics in the mix here.

**ThirdUltra**

Ronin_eX wrote:
The close-order toughness rule is awesome (wonder how it works). Great for deep striking. And to hear that Smite is a once-per-game deal is interesting (I've always liked resource management stuff). Now you can save it for when you really need it. It isn't as situational as on-the-charge only and it isn't as over the top as in every first round. I think I'll favour several small units of these guys so that I can save several Smites up. Still wondering if they are keeping the normal two attacks or if the OP's guess at 3 (due to fuzzy text) is going to be on point (if so, holy crap).

The Dark Shroud is going to be fun to play around with. A mobile Black Knight gunline with 3+ cover saves or the aforementioned terminator gun line (and don't forget the rumour of them having split fire making this even sweater).

Certainly a lot of interesting mechanics in the mix here.

The shield-wall/phalanx close-order drill ability is interesting indeed as it appears it is a fighting doctrine of the Death Wing, not so much a technological edge or anything. I'd have to see more details on this Smite ability, and, if rumored as a once-per-game mechanic, there may be more to this ability. Lots of questions about this one as is it appears to be a close-combat ability only (which seems somewhat obvious so far) and is it affected by the strength of the squad-members or what other restrictions, if any, could be applied.

All of this sounds interesting and we'll know more of the details soon enough I suppose when more rumors are forthcoming.

**stormboy**

Synister_Intent wrote:
I didn't read through all 29 pages, but I would like to apologize before hand, but when is the new Codex scheduled for release?

First post.

Edit: I mean thread title. Then click through the links to WD pictures. You will find it.

**deleted20250424**

It also says the new Ravenwing Battlefroce is $5 less than the current one. Although they are they same kit, not sure why it's $5 less than before.

So you might be on the right track.

Although, as an Aussie, you've probably been confused why you have to pay more than the rest of the world for some time now.

**Orinoco**

still no pics of the deathwing plasma?

**pretre**

Faeit212 wrote:via jullevi over on Warseer
Company veterans (4+1 models, with up to 5 additional)

Any model: Chainsword
Up to three models: Storm bolter, Combi-weapon, Power weapon, Lightning claw, Plasma pistol, Power fist or Pair of lightning claws
Any model: Combat shield, Melta bombs, Storm shield
One in every 5 models: Flamer, Melta gun, Plasma gun
One model: Heavy bolter, Multi-melta, Missile launcher, Plasma cannon or Lascannon
Dedicated transport: Drop Pod, Rhino or Razorback

via Faeit 212 from a source that wants to remain anonymous
Something that was missed for veterans above and some more Dreadnought options

Veterans
Can take flakk missiles

Dreadnought (elite choice)
Can take a drop pod
Can replace its multi-melta with
Twin-linked Autocannon
Twin-linked Flamer
Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
Plasma Cannon
Assualt Cannon
Lascannon

Can replace its other arm with
Missile Launcher
Twin-linked Autocannon

Can replace the built in storm bolter with a heavy flamer

Can be upgraded to Venerable and if does it gets the special rule,
Deathwing Vehicle

**thewarsmith**

The forward turret on the LSV looks horrible. The gunner better pray they don't fire the plasma cannons straight forward, otherwise he's gonna have a new haircut at best.

**temprus**

Any news on Vets (or anyone else) having access to the Sternguard typo ammo in DA?

**Ronin_eX**

temprus wrote:
Any news on Vets (or anyone else) having access to the Sternguard typo ammo in DA?

Over on the Warseer thread it was said that they have reverted mostly back to the 4E Codex version (without FAQ) with a few important differences (one special weapon per five guys while retaining the option to take a heavy weapon in addition). So if you took advantage of power-weapon spam (like me), then you probably have to many (again). Slightly disappointing on that front, but extra special weapons are always welcome.

You should be able to make some pretty heavily armed squads out of them.

**Soulman**

No Duel weilding inner circle unit yet? Maybe the rumours were just that.

**Haighus**

MightyGodzilla wrote:

GW didn't employ my idea, I was just throwing something out there based on the DW fluff I've read.. 2 different 0-1 entries (assault and tactical) still leave up to 20 terminators on the field (as only 4th ed DW had up to 5 man squads) and how often do you see 20 TDAs on the board that aren playing Deathwing?

But seriously, how many suits of TDA comprises the Blood Angels / Ultramarines armory's 100%? 20-30 suits? 50 suits?

Point was is that the entire first company of the Dark Angels fields terminator armor. Not 10-20% of a chapter's first company - that's the Dark Angel cannon and to my knowledge no one else could claim that. 100% of an entire company wearing TDA. That's something no other chapter can claim. I've always likened the Deathwing to Xerxes' Immortals. Just briefly - The Immortals were elites, badassedly trained, and horrible to fight against. But that's not what made them immortal. They got called that because whenever this company took a casualty, he was replaced before the next encounter, so the enemy would always fight this company at full strength. Hence the name [/historylesson]. Other chapter's have TDAs, but their vet's are also represented with Sternguard and Vanguard, Sanguinarians, Wolfguard, Swordbrethren, Tyrannic War Vet's, etc..........and I also don't think DA's should have that type of equivalent. Fluffwise when a Chapter defends their homeworld "with every suit of TDA they have" and gets their asses kicked, they should be set back. Not being deployed unless dire needs call, or being the point of a spear head. Hence TDA's being an elite choice.

The Blood Angels fielded over 80 terminators on the space hulk Sin of Damnation, which, considering that BA companies are rarely at full strength due to the black rage, is pretty much the entire 1st company. And I think the Salamanders are also renowned for having a very large number of TDA suits too. I've never seen the Deathwing's sole use of TDA as their defining factor.

On a side note, the Knights shield wall mechanic looks awesome.

**Banesword**

Haighus wrote:

I've never seen the Deathwing's sole use of TDA as their defining factor.

Isnt it rather the fact that the Dark Angels 1st company, the Deathwing, is supposed to always wear their TDA when fighting? So while several chapters may have 100 suits of armor, their 1st Company Veterans dont use all of them all the time?

**Ronin_eX**

Yeah, having a 100% pure TDA first company kind of is one of the defining features of the DW. I like how Company Vets were handled in light of this (attached one-per-company at the Battle/Reserve company level). But in 2nd and 3rd we lacked options for PA vets (outside of command elements in 3rd Edition).

I like that they are taking that and running with it by giving them an extra level of variety in these units.

Other chapters may have 100+ suits of TDA. But remember that the Dark Angels have 100+ suits for their own Chapter (since Belial and other ICs can be equipped in it as well) with enough left over to fully equip no less than six successors. Most successors are lucky to have a handful of TDA in their armoury (some have none). But the Dark Angels and their entire second founding can field full first companies composed entirely of TDA-equipped troops.

That is the important bit to remember. When other chapters are described as having a lot of TDA they mean it in terms of a Chapter. When Dark Angels are described as having a lot it is described in terms of "for a legion".

**Cyrax**

Since you've mentioned about the legion thing, what happened to the big tactical squads rumor, any confirmation?

**Quintinus**

Cyrax wrote:
Since you've mentioned about the legion thing, what happened to the big tactical squads rumor, any confirmation?

I'm sure they'll get that only because it will remove one more thing that is beneficial to CSM

**Moopy**

I find it's harder and harder to get excited over new releases when all pictures (of any real clarity) are kept behind locked doors. Impossible to budget for, etc.

**KalashnikovMarine**

I personally see the big tactical squads think as useless as it tears the tac squads mobility away from them. No Rhinos bites.

**Vain**

Moopy wrote:
I find it's harder and harder to get excited over new releases when all pictures (of any real clarity) are kept behind locked doors. Impossible to budget for, etc.

Budget? Budget? We don't need no stinking budgets!

I have seen it argued that this is one of the reasons for the crackdown. Players aren't saving up for new releases but instead buying models that are currently available.

**Zweischneid**

Moopy wrote:
I find it's harder and harder to get excited over new releases when all pictures (of any real clarity) are kept behind locked doors. Impossible to budget for, etc.

Just lag your Games Workshop purchases by a year than.

March 2013 will be your personal release of Tyranid Tervigons and Thunderwolf Cavalry. May 2013 will be your personal release of the Necron second wave with Siders and Wraiths. June 2013 you'll get flyers like the Ork Bomma. August 2013 plastic Plaguebearers. September 2013 you might want to consider Dark Vengeance.

Plenty of time for you to look at the pictures and budget your budget.

**Deadshot**

I love how the DW Knight on the WD is just like "Waaassup!"

**Mathieu Raymond**

... from other companies! :-)

**RegalPhantom**

Love the Knights, love the flyer, HATE the landspeeder (you have no idea how much I hope that the rules for it suck). I'll probably pick up the codex and WD. Any idea when it will be up for order?

**Ozymandias**

Zweischneid wrote:
Moopy wrote:
I find it's harder and harder to get excited over new releases when all pictures (of any real clarity) are kept behind locked doors. Impossible to budget for, etc.

Just lag your Games Workshop purchases by a year than.

March 2013 will be your personal release of Tyranid Tervigons and Thunderwolf Cavalry. May 2013 will be your personal release of the Necron second wave with Siders and Wraiths. June 2013 you'll get flyers like the Ork Bomma. August 2013 plastic Plaguebearers. September 2013 you might want to consider Dark Vengeance.

Plenty of time for you to look at the pictures and budget your budget.

Yes, that's completely reasonable. I'm sure retailers would love to do that too.

Or, GW could just do what every other game company (including Black Library and Forgeworld) does and give us a few months heads up notice.

**H.B.M.C.**

Ozymandias wrote:
Or, GW could just do what every other game company (including Black Library and Forgeworld) does and give us a few months heads up notice.

You're crazy Ozy. Advertising is for chumps, and no company was ever successful by putting their faith in previews and customer engagement.

**Nerobellum**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:
Or, GW could just do what every other game company (including Black Library and Forgeworld) does and give us a few months heads up notice.

You're crazy Ozy. Advertising is for chumps, and no company was ever successful by putting their faith in previews and customer engagement.

Part of me watches these releases and I nearly lose my mind trying to figure out what their angle is by not advertising in a meaningful way, or allowing any previews/leaks early enough to drum up some anticipation. Then I find myself opening my wallet anyway and I sigh a bit.

Seriously though, it's like they forgot to hire a promotion/marketing manager.

**Zweischneid**

Ozymandias wrote:

Yes, that's completely reasonable. I'm sure retailers would love to do that too.

Or, GW could just do what every other game company (including Black Library and Forgeworld) does and give us a few months heads up notice.

/shrug

I cannot change GW publishing practices.

I can only recommend an approach to getting the personal "budgeting head-notice" you crave into this. And I am sure retailers wouldn't care either way if you still spend the same amount X.

Unless, of course, you admit that knowing what's down the road would lead you to budget more economically, in which case GW's secrecy-approach would've been vindicated.

**Avian**

This has to be the first time in memory that no rumourmonger contributed anything of worth whatsoever.

Everything we actually knew beforehand came from the Ravenwing novel.

**Lovepug13**

Might start a deathwing army now to be honest.....assuming I can get it all for less then say 200quid at rocket hobbies etc.

It's an easy army to transport as well....win