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I always partly put it up to the feel of the tank. Since WWII is somewhat guards thing.

It slightly looks like the sherman..Plus the name "lemen russ" has somewhat the same feel as many of the other WWII american tanks.

(sherman, stuart, chaffee, lee)

As for how it is built again i always got a sherman tank feel from it. How it looks and also the same idea behind it. Reliable as hell and easy to produce.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:


I agree as well, when we compare all tanks in the galaxy nothing beats the Leman Russ. He is to the 40k like Sherman and T-34 were to WW2 - cheap, reliable, easy to maintain and easy to operate. And it's design even if he looks like he came out of WWI is actually quite reasonable for 40k, because Leman is made for defense and infantry support. Tanks like Abrams would handle a little better against Tau and Eldar tanks, but it would be useless against hordes like Tyranids and Orks because of it's design that was made for speed.

The fact that even Leman Russ can beat every race armor in battle and that can have 1.000.001 modification proves his worthiness.

Once more fluff is not what I am talking about. The Russ of fluff is nothing like the model. The sherman or t-34 are way better designed tanks then the Russ we see.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:


You know what is more bigger irony? The fact that this tank can go head to head with Tau Hammerhead and blow it to bits ( the Vanquisher version ).

Something does, I wish someone would tell GW that tank they keep trying to push has no chance in hell of doing so however.


And no the Russ we see is not a god infantry support tank. Its a retread of WWI tanks, all abandoned WWI concepts really. You would not want to use that thing in combat, is just a really bad design.


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Etched In Pride wrote:
I always partly put it up to the feel of the tank. Since WWII is somewhat guards thing.

It slightly looks like the sherman..Plus the name "lemen russ" has somewhat the same feel as many of the other WWII american tanks.

(sherman, stuart, chaffee, lee)

As for how it is built again i always got a sherman tank feel from it. How it looks and also the same idea behind it. Reliable as hell and easy to produce.

Go look up the Mk I, that is what the russ is a Mk 1 with a top turret.

I still think that 'the Guilliman' sounds much more cooler.

The name dates back to when Leman Russ was a 41st Millenium Imperial Commander who started out in the Imperial Army and rose to command the Space Wolves chapter (when Marines were T3 and only got a 5+sv against lasguns), and not a Primarch of a Legion.


In fluff terms, something about the SW's and saving a forgeworld and/or STC's or something during the Heresy.

To be honest, the Leman Russ, just like the Primarch, served the Imperium for years, and theyre both purely 40k blast-your-face epic.

remember that a lot of the tanks, guns, and planes were designed when the traitors were still loyal.

Why not call it "The Fulgrim" or "The Conrad Kruze"


actually "The Lorgar" sounds like it would wreck face.

 Exergy wrote:
remember that a lot of the tanks, guns, and planes were designed when the traitors were still loyal.

Why not call it "The Fulgrim" or "The Conrad Kruze"


actually "The Lorgar" sounds like it would wreck face.

I think it would be ironic and hilarious if they named it after one of the traitor primarchs. Imagine the look on the Chaos Space Marines faces when they are getting blown apart by the likes of the "Angron Battle Tank".

 purplefood wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
You mean the Omnissiah, right?

Anyway, to answer the OP's question:

Way back in Rogue Trader, Leman Russ was an Imperial Guard general who had the tank named after him.
When 2nd Editiomn turned him into a Primarch, the background was retconned to Russ discovering the STC in the early days of the Great Crusade, and the Imperial Army naming it the Leman Russ tank in his honour.

This.

I'm amused that it took 2 pages to get the right answer.

 pretre wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
You mean the Omnissiah, right?

Anyway, to answer the OP's question:

Way back in Rogue Trader, Leman Russ was an Imperial Guard general who had the tank named after him.
When 2nd Editiomn turned him into a Primarch, the background was retconned to Russ discovering the STC in the early days of the Great Crusade, and the Imperial Army naming it the Leman Russ tank in his honour.

This.

I'm amused that it took 2 pages to get the right answer.

I was thinking the same thing. And that instead people were debating the practical functionality of a fictional tank...

 Just Dave wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
You mean the Omnissiah, right?

Anyway, to answer the OP's question:

Way back in Rogue Trader, Leman Russ was an Imperial Guard general who had the tank named after him.
When 2nd Editiomn turned him into a Primarch, the background was retconned to Russ discovering the STC in the early days of the Great Crusade, and the Imperial Army naming it the Leman Russ tank in his honour.

This.

I'm amused that it took 2 pages to get the right answer.

I was thinking the same thing. And that instead people were debating the practical functionality of a fictional tank...

Yes, that was a bit silly, wasn't it?
Somewhat like the debate, methinks.

Well it took two pages for someone to show up that knew the answer. Nothing silly about it.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Well it took two pages for someone to show up that knew the answer. Nothing silly about it.

Maybe all the people who didn't know what the feth they were talking about could have abstained or at least said 'Gee, good question...' Crazytalk.

You seem not to understand the concept of the internet man. You place a thread and ya know people show up to say stuff. Threads drift, mostly as when someone replies to a post someone else made.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
You seem not to understand the concept of the internet man. You place a thread and ya know people show up to say stuff. Threads drift, mostly as when someone replies to a post someone else made.

Actually, it looks like I understand the internet quite well. I wasn't calling anyone out, but here you are. The second post in the thread. Completely worthless and lead to the 2 page digression.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
I think he may have had a hand in it..if so he was an idiot.

So yeah, thanks for 'adding value' to the thread.

No, I responding with I think he may have had a hand it its creation, which seems to have been correct. I also called him an idiot if so, which also seems to be correct.

 Exergy wrote:
actually "The Lorgar" sounds like it would wreck face.

Or cry into a rose-scented kerchief. "Daddy why?"

Leman Russ : a big robust brawling giant of man, who would fight anywhere and anytime, fairly simple, but resolute and steadfast, could be depended upon even in the worst of times..and likely fairly homely.

Leman Russ Tank : same as above just change man to tank.

Yes its ugly, ungainly , and offendeds everything in the book of AFV design, but hey its 40k..these guys pray to machine spirits before they turn a wrench..top gear they are not...

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:

Yes its ugly, ungainly , and offendeds everything in the book of AFV design, but hey its 40k..these guys pray to machine spirits before they turn a wrench..top gear they are not...

So?

I pray to my car every winter to start up from the first try and guess what - they work even better after I pray.
Coincidence?

Personally I think the Leman Russ design is perfect for DKoK since they have the whole trench warfare thing going. I can just imagine the Leman's rolling up and parking in an entrenchment for cover and using the high mounted cannon to fire over the cover. But that's just my thinking on it.

There's no denying the Russ design could use some refinement, but it's too central to 40k's aesthetic to change.

It wouldn't take much really; lower profile, no rivets (for the love of the Omnissiah, we stopped using rivets in armour in the 30s...well, unless you're Italy), and armoured tracks, and better gun calibre/length ratio and you'd have something far less offensive from an AFV design perspective, without changing the core aesthetic.

I'm actually curious to see if FW releases a new MBT for the Imperial Army in their Horus Heresy expansion, you know, something rare and experimental as to not break the fluff, but might look more like a functional tank.

Though if the sky falls and they advance the plot and the IoM starts breaking up, there might be more room for other, more practical looking tank designs.

In the mean time, I do enjoy the Russ, it's distinctive, and while obsolescent in design, and FW's stats on it are laughable, it does remain an inseparable part of 40k's lore, aesthetic and character.

 MajorStoffer wrote:


It wouldn't take much really; lower profile, no rivets (for the love of the Omnissiah, we stopped using rivets in armour in the 30s...well, unless you're Italy), and armoured tracks, and better gun calibre/length ratio and you'd have something far less offensive from an AFV design perspective, without changing the core aesthetic.

In other words a total redesigned

 Hunterindarkness wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:


It wouldn't take much really; lower profile, no rivets (for the love of the Omnissiah, we stopped using rivets in armour in the 30s...well, unless you're Italy), and armoured tracks, and better gun calibre/length ratio and you'd have something far less offensive from an AFV design perspective, without changing the core aesthetic.

In other words a total redesigned

Please, no. If we re-designed it, it might look like something from Star Wars. That would be sad, disappointing, and very irritating.

Not at all, you need to keep that rugged look, not ultra sci-fi sleek. Aiming for the cold war era style would fit well with the IG styling .

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Not at all, you need to keep that rugged look, not ultra sci-fi sleek. Aiming for the cold war era style would fit well with the IG styling .

I'm thinking something like the German Leopard II...I imagine the Eldar or the Tau would think something like "More clunky Human tanks?" Until the Leopards start firing HEAT while moving.

EDIT: High Explosive Anti Tank (HEAT)

ooo just shorten the pipe and you've got a

 DarthMarko wrote:
ooo just shorten the pipe and you've got a

What the hell is that? You call that a tank?



THOSE ARE TANKS

I know LOL - but you lack ww2 analogy with those...

 DarthMarko wrote:
I know LOL - but you lack ww2 analogy with those...

Cold War analogy should be sufficient...Catachans are basically Vietnam-era US Army in SPAAACE!!!

lol I know, but those tanks can't do this

 DarthMarko wrote:
lol I know, but those tanks can't do this

Maybe not...but those tanks can take a hit from that and not get a scratch. Not to mention cause even more butthurt for Eldar and Tau than the Leman Russ already does. You know, sometimes I wonder what would happen if 40k Humans actually started using their heads...