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Greetings!!!

I have been building up a new chaos army and want to field abbadon the despoiler as one of my HQ's.

I was curious how his interaction with squads is. Since he is stated to possess all four marks of chaos, can he join any squad he pleases, or none at all, since someone with an alignment mark cant join a differently or unaligned squad.

Thanks

Gunnvulcan

Strict RAW he may not join any marked squad.

He can only join an unmarked squad our a squad with all 4 marks.

He can join any squad with a mark or unmarked.

Not true. He cannot join a squad with a Mark of "W"" because he has a Mark of "X", "Y", and "Z".

What does the rule actually say?

"An Independent Character with a Mark of Chaos may not join a unit with a different Mark of Chaos."

Abbadon doesn't have a Mark, he has all four so he is unaffected by this rule.

 Dozer Blades wrote:

Abbadon doesn't have a Mark,

Yes he does. He has 4 of them.

Abaddon has a set of marks A, B, C and D.

If a squad has mark E they have a different one to his set of marks.

If a squad has mark A, they do not have a different mark, it is contained in Abaddon's set of marks.

This has been argued a billion times and we don't need another thread about it.

Short story; you got two options
RAW he cannot join any marked squad as the rules for joining marked squads prevents him from doing this.
RAI he can join any squad because he has all four and is the warmaster.
That's it. No more discussion please. Its been argued over enough. Use the search button if you have more questions.

By the rules he can join any squad. The rule refers to a character with only one mark.

The rule isn't a Character cannot join a squad with a different Mark. the rule is a character cannot join a squad if he has a different Mark.

Abbaddon will ALWAYS have a different Mark. ergo he can never join a marked squad.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
By the rules he can join any squad. The rule refers to a character with only one mark.

Hmm must be opposite year where you live.

He has a mark of Khorne, a mark of nurgle, etc.
So yes he has a Different mark.

It depends on what you consider different.
To me, it means 'diferent from the marks Abaddon has'.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
By the rules he can join any squad. The rule refers to a character with only one mark.

Abbadon has a mark, he has 4 of them. The rules do not refer to a character with only one mark, they refer to a character with a mark. Abbadon has a mark, he has a mark x4.

By the RAW he can not join a squad with an opposing mark.

Abbadon has the Mark of Khorne, and three other marks. Abbadon can not join a unit with the mark of nurgle because Abbadon has 1 mark that is the same, but 3 that are different.

 Shandara wrote:
It depends on what you consider different.
To me, it means 'diferent from the marks Abaddon has'.

Than certainly they're different as Abby has A,B,C,D Squad 4 only has C. Abby has Different via A,B,D

If the Squad has Mark A, it doesn't matter that Abbaddon has Mark A. What matters is that he also has Mark B, C, and D.


If the rule had been "A character can only join a marked squad if he has the same Mark" we would be fine. but instead it is the opposite requirement.

The rules only state a mark... By RAW he has all four so he can join any unit.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
The rules only state a mark... By RAW he has all four so he can join any unit.

That works both ways.
He has a Mark of Khorne, a Mark of Nurgle...
He has a Mark of Khorne, which is different from the units Mark of Slaanesh.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
The rules only state a mark... By RAW he has all four so he can join any unit.

If you would like to go that route, actually Abby has A Mark of Chaos Ascendant which is different from any other Mark out there so by your logic, No Abby cannot join any Marked squad.

Abby can only join an un-marked squad at the present time. Which is hilarious.

Unfortunately, as written, Abbadon is stuck joining vanilla Troops or Terminators, or Chosen which count as Troops. So you could put him with 4 melta guns and some power fists in a Land Raider. I think they'll FAQ this soon, as that's just stupid that the Warmaster can't join any Marked units. But maybe that was their intention to limit his awesomeness.

Anyone tried him with Huron Blackheart? He doesn't have a Mark.

40k-noob wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
The rules only state a mark... By RAW he has all four so he can join any unit.

If you would like to go that route, actually Abby has A Mark of Chaos Ascendant which is different from any other Mark out there so by your logic, No Abby cannot join any Marked squad.

Fluff =\= Rules

 Dozer Blades wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
The rules only state a mark... By RAW he has all four so he can join any unit.

If you would like to go that route, actually Abby has A Mark of Chaos Ascendant which is different from any other Mark out there so by your logic, No Abby cannot join any Marked squad.

Fluff =\= Rules

You should READ the codex.

It is not Fluff. It is HIS Mark.
page 57 of the Codex.

I have it. He has all four marks.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I have it. He has all four marks.

Yep, all 4 marks

A mark of Khorne
A mark of Slannesh
A mark of Tzeentch
A mark of Nurgle

So yes he will always have a different mark, if the unit itself has a mark.

JD - I wouldnt bother arguing, we've been over this before and no matter how many times you prove that he will ALWAYS have a different mark to the unit he is attempting to join, certain posters will disagree, without providng any rules.

Its obvious that he should have been allowed to join any unit but as nos stated its been discussed many times and he currently can not join units unless unmarked.

The rule say a character with A mark. Abbadon has four marks so it doesn't apply to him. That is totally RAW too.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
The rule say a character with A mark. Abbadon has four marks so it doesn't apply to him. That is totally RAW too.

If you feel that way, do try to back it up than.
Feel free to explain out your ideas and such.


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nosferatu1001 wrote:
JD - I wouldnt bother arguing, we've been over this before and no matter how many times you prove that he will ALWAYS have a different mark to the unit he is attempting to join, certain posters will disagree, without providng any rules.

Yea, tis true. Maybe it's troll season.

Looking at it, I can find some RAW support to Dozer Blades' position, but I think it might be stretching it:
1.When an option is listed, such as a gift of mutation, it says they "may take a gift of mutation". This is generally interpreted to mean only one. You can't take 4 gifts of mutation, paying 40 pts, and saying "I took a gift of mutation, four times." So "a" != four.
2.The "Marks of Chaos" referred to on Pg. 30 are only the marks listed there. The "Mark of Chaos Ascendant" is thus not a "Mark of Chaos", and is not itself referenced by the restriction on Pg. 30.
Therefore, Abaddon does not fall under the restrictions on Pg. 30, and can join any squad. If that's the equivalency, I'd rather have Abaddon joining no Marked squads, and getting 4 gifts.