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 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
You forget that SW already had a company that was churning out minis for the collectors for quite some time.

Which sounds smart. You make it sound as if actually being prepared for a Kickstarter would in itself disqualify the Kickstarter. Kingdom Death's Adam Poots prepared three years for his Kickstarter, founding a company to sell boutique miniatures to get there. Three years!

Also, Rick Priestley had/has a business writing rules for various games (Fanticide, Bolt Action, etc..) before going Kickstarter.

 JudgeShamgar wrote:
Where is the money coming from to release the two factions? There are no sketches, no greens, no concept art because of lack of funding. That's what the Kickstarter is for, funding the project.

As much as I would love to see this succeed, for something like this they need to have invested in themselves a lot more. I'm pretty sure that the names involved here have more money banked than I do, and earn more than I do. I just bought a new fridge and dishwasher. It involved putting a bit of money aside from a couple of paydays and then buying the products. They should have put some money aside and paid for a half-dozen greens and a dozen pieces of concept art. You'd think that if there was anyone in the industry that could call in a few favours it would be Priestly and Stallard. They've over-relied on "...and YOU."

I think Mantic's KOW-style "here are some concept drawings for the Celestians - let us know what you like or dislike" is a better way to get player feedback. (Which they also used for some of the Dreadball stuff). Presenting some choices with a solid artistic direction to them rather than throwing it wide open. The result of that has been a moustachioed muscleman in a skintight bodysuit with buttplates while others complain that he's not the Mal Solo character they hoped for... Oh, and Mr Buttplates is the only thing they have to show so far. And even he's only a WIP..




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 cyphertheory wrote:
What is it with these huge codpieces?

It's a setting with prevalent genetic engineering. You do the math.

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 Pacific wrote:

I guess there can be many reasons why someone can pledge to support a KS. At present, the evidence seems to show that greens/sculpts are more of a pull than reputation of the game creator, a gaming system or innovative method of play (with the developer - gamer interaction) - or all of these factors combined of course.

If it was just for a rulebook by Rick Priestly with a new gaming system and an innovative method of play - and they were asking for $50k (dollars, not quid) to get it published then they would have had it in three days without a problem.

They're asking for and promising a whole lot more, with very little to show for the rest of it. And therein lies the issues that this is having.

It is COLD! not sure how everyone else is feeling but its rather cold here in Nottingham at the moment!

Anyway, Hansa is almost finished!.

One of the big things that wasn't even an idea when we started Hansa was his current baldness. Kev always does the hair last as he holds the figure at the top when he's sculpting, but as we were developing him lots of you said that you really like him bald and to be honest, so did we, so we've decided to keep him like that. You guys have already had a big impact in many areas of development, from the easy "we need more greens and artwork" (which we're working on!) to Hansa's baldness, the action turn name and a whole bunch of other tweaks we've made listening to your comments and feedback. Though we may not spend much time replying on the forums, we do read them avidly every second we get the chance to and you will see that start to shape the game as we develop it over the next number of months. Thank you all for this, it's brilliant to be making this with you and long may it continue!

I like the cabling. His eyepatch looks like a nightmare to paint though.

I'm hoping that when they get those extra greens up and running, people will be willing to give it another look. I know that my local gaming group just are not interested: no models, no rules. They've started rectifying the latter, but not the former just yet.

Cool mini, bro! Sculpt me another one!

Kidding, I actually really like it.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
It is COLD! not sure how everyone else is feeling but its rather cold here in Nottingham at the moment!

Anyway, Hansa is almost finished!.

One of the big things that wasn't even an idea when we started Hansa was his current baldness. Kev always does the hair last as he holds the figure at the top when he's sculpting, but as we were developing him lots of you said that you really like him bald and to be honest, so did we, so we've decided to keep him like that. You guys have already had a big impact in many areas of development, from the easy "we need more greens and artwork" (which we're working on!) to Hansa's baldness, the action turn name and a whole bunch of other tweaks we've made listening to your comments and feedback. Though we may not spend much time replying on the forums, we do read them avidly every second we get the chance to and you will see that start to shape the game as we develop it over the next number of months. Thank you all for this, it's brilliant to be making this with you and long may it continue!

Congratulations to everyone that's backed this project with a desire to help shape the direction of the univierse. Way to go, you guys have helped name a mechanic. It's clear your all full time developers now.

Nice figure. I'd probably buy that for 4 quid in my next Hasslefree miniatures order.

I think part of the apathy towards it will change in the next week or so, once we get more green progress, specifically the wardrones etc, this KS is a long one, and we arent into the usual 30 days of most of them yet.

If by the 2nd week in feb, more greens have appeared and art, with more rule development vids, and still no one is pledging in a greater frequency i will worry, but from what i have seen with Hansa over the last few days i know the design and talent is there, its just a case of seeing it now.

That miniature sums up why I don't like design by comitee anything.

Nothing screams "advanced human race" like a car mechanic with an eye patch and some butt plates!

To be fair, these don't exactly scream "advanced human race", either:

 scipio.au wrote:
To be fair, these don't exactly scream "advanced human race", either:

The 'stache is the key!

Also, the Revers are the guys that have a slight problem with nanos...

As it was stated above not everyone is exactly on the same tech level. The same can be said about those who don't live on the coasts of the US lol

Hansa's background is that he's a Rever, a technological throwback. He's biologically immune to the nanotech that infuses the more advanced cultures, hence needing physical cabling to connect him to his smartgun. He's basically a primitive. This has pros and cons - he can't access the IMTel networks with a thought, like more 'modern' panhumans or nuhus, but equally he's not vulnerable to all the insidious nanotech electronic warfare attacks than can affect more advanced people.

pgmason wrote:
hence needing physical cabling to connect him to his smartgun.

And to his but armour as well! [sorry, couldn't resist]

pgmason wrote:
Hansa's background is that he's a Rever, a technological throwback. He's biologically immune to the nanotech that infuses the more advanced cultures, hence needing physical cabling to connect him to his smartgun. He's basically a primitive. This has pros and cons - he can't access the IMTel networks with a thought, like more 'modern' panhumans or nuhus, but equally he's not vulnerable to all the insidious nanotech electronic warfare attacks than can affect more advanced people.

Thanks to the reply, that explains it perfectly then.

What an awesome mini, think it's a really nice combination of tech and traditional style and matches the background well.

A few more minis of this standard (especially the forthcoming wardroid) and I can really see this taking off.

back to the work-bench with you Mr. White!

I personally think Hansa looks amazing.

Well, glad to see the whole "designed by the community" mechanic in action already, namely the part where they ignore all of the forum suggestions and do what they want. The fans asked for a Han Solo/Mal Reynolds type of character, who gets by on wit rather than combat skill, which sounds awesome and which I might have actually ponied up some cash for. Instead, we got a bodybuilder with a porn 'stache and a BFG. Count me out.

Edit: not saying that it's a bad model (technically), it just isn't to my taste, and not what the official forum asked for. I'd be really interested in seeing the brief that was sent to Kev.

 Guildsman wrote:
Well, glad to see the whole "designed by the community" mechanic in action already, namely the part where they ignore all of the forum suggestions and do what they want. The fans asked for a Han Solo/Mal Reynolds type of character, who gets by on wit rather than combat skill, which sounds awesome and which I might have actually ponied up some cash for. Instead, we got a bodybuilder with a porn 'stache and a BFG. Count me out.

Edit: not saying that it's a bad model (technically), it just isn't to my taste, and not what the official forum asked for. I'd be really interested in seeing the brief that was sent to Kev.

Got a link to that discussion? Or is it on the KS page?

~Eric

 Guildsman wrote:
Well, glad to see the whole "designed by the community" mechanic in action already, namely the part where they ignore all of the forum suggestions and do what they want. The fans asked for a Han Solo/Mal Reynolds type of character, who gets by on wit rather than combat skill, which sounds awesome and which I might have actually ponied up some cash for. Instead, we got a bodybuilder with a porn 'stache and a BFG. Count me out.

Edit: not saying that it's a bad model (technically), it just isn't to my taste, and not what the official forum asked for. I'd be really interested in seeing the brief that was sent to Kev.

Actually that's not completely true, there was a fair amount of opposition to the 'rogue in space' and requests for more of a hard sci-fi look IIRC

Well, glad to see the whole "designed by the community" mechanic in action already, namely the part where they ignore all of the forum suggestions and do what they want. The fans asked for a Han Solo/Mal Reynolds type of character, who gets by on wit rather than combat skill, which sounds awesome and which I might have actually ponied up some cash for. Instead, we got a bodybuilder with a porn 'stache and a BFG. Count me out.

Didn´t we get the exact same comment a few pages back by another user?

And no, that is what in the end the majority wanted. Hence he is now bald and not got hair, etc.

Very interesting concept. A bit too 'out there' of a name I think, that fits more with a book.

But this 'community designed' element is at least an interesting experiment. Hoping to see it take off, even if it naturally can't satisfy everyone. But there has to be SOME central design cohesion to be maintained, which makes it complex as hell.

Yeah, that´s what I like. Mr White should sculpt more models like that. Even the buttarmour kinda works now.

Nice to see good trigger discipline on a model! While I likte the model overall the butt armor is really ridiculous.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

Well, glad to see the whole "designed by the community" mechanic in action already, namely the part where they ignore all of the forum suggestions and do what they want. The fans asked for a Han Solo/Mal Reynolds type of character, who gets by on wit rather than combat skill, which sounds awesome and which I might have actually ponied up some cash for. Instead, we got a bodybuilder with a porn 'stache and a BFG. Count me out.

Didn´t we get the exact same comment a few pages back by another user?

And no, that is what in the end the majority wanted. Hence he is now bald and not got hair, etc.

X2

Granted he is more muscular than "I" expected, but that isn't a porn stache. It's a style used by quite a few badasses..which just so happened to be on the list of requests in that same thread.

 fullheadofhair wrote:
Nice to see good trigger discipline on a model! While I likte the model overall the butt armor is really ridiculous.

Hey good catch on the trigger, cool.

I'm sure some poor person looking at that miniature just silently recited the over 9000 quote from dbz

Looks decent enough, but I'm still gonna need more than one figure to convince me

 kenshin620 wrote:
I'm sure some poor person looking at that miniature just silently recited the over 9000 quote from dbz

Looks decent enough, but I'm still gonna need more than one figure to convince me

Haha yes I already said it earlier in the thread

And why the fixation with the butt armour? Is it not reasonable that a man's posterior is armoured to the highest degree possible?

I worry for his poor buttcrack! It remains a point of vulnerability

Hansa looks fantastic!

Lovely looking mini, now lets get more greens and as many sketches as you can throw at us.