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Once again, if you've already expressed your opinion on why you think this project isn't working or how they've mismanaged the campaign five, six, seven or more times in this thread, you really don't need to post yet again saying a slightly different version of the same thing.


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All I really want to know is how much are the minis going to cost later? If the money is going towards "plastic tooling" does that mean plastic minis? And if it is being paid for by the "fan base" then does that mean we are going to be able to buy the minis for something close to the 75p that it costs to print the sprue? Or are we going to be paying £35 for 5 guys like at GW.

I'm all for supporting new projects, but if this thing gets off the ground, are you going to pass some of the profits back to the "fans" who made it happen? Or is this just a way for you to charge £12 a model, and put 11 in your pocket.

The plastic wardrones are part of many of the pledges.

 judgedoug wrote:
The plastic wardrones are part of many of the pledges.

Yeah but anyone who gets into the game is going to want more than whatever they got with their pledge. If it's anything like 40k there will be a whole load of armies and races to collect beyond what is in the starter set. I would like to know how much that is going to cost.

All I ever hear about GW is how expensive the plastic tooling equipment is, and how they need to charge loads to cover the investment. But with this GoA if the plastic tooling is being paid for by the kickstarter backers (the people who play the game). Then are these same people also going to be charged £12 a model for miniatures made with the equipment they helped pay for? It seems to me GoA kits should be way cheaper than GW for many years to come. Yet somehow I doubt that will be the case.

 cincydooley wrote:

Well....

When you put it that way.....

But I have to ask...in this picture is ScarJo really pushing her butt out? I dont htink she is. I think she's just curvy.. I mean, her torso is pretty vertical....

But, that being said....point very well taken.

But how often does a serious fighter stand with his (or her) butt towards the enemy? Her pose was clearly designed to let you see her curves, rather than to demonstrate badassery like the others. If you can't imagine a serious action dude standing in a woman model's pose, then it is probably ridiculous and should be rethought.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

Well you land of a fundamental problem, all things equal, a female human in realistic combat gear should look the same as a slim male, more so if hard armour is applied add to that a wargames scale and you land on a big question of how to distinguish a female and a male model ont he tabletop.

Making the armour curvy and more "celebratory" to the female body is one end of solution, applying a more "female" posture is the other and of course an in between approach in not half bad too.

What exactly is a "female" posture? Like a cowboy's, but with the elbows and knees inward? The SW women had obvious curves without the armor being silly. Only their poses and the gratuitous butt crack armor hurt the models.

GatesofAntares wrote:Ronin

I'm sure enough of you remember how I felt about the TtBreach Kickstarter, so I'll just say, I have a bad feeling about this.

Their sketches look decent, but not jaw-dropping or "different" enough to capture the imagination. They are failing to capitalize on the key aspects of the fluff that make their world different from the other big SF games' worlds--the omnipresent nanotech, the diversity of humanity and total integration of the technological and the biological in a harmonious, Kurtzweilian whole. Really, now that I have Mantic and SW and DFG and DG and WGF and TFM, with free or cheap rules from dozens of companies and fan-sites, why do I want to buy GoA's stuff again?


All their designs look like burly white men wearing Hollywood SF-style costumes. Way to think outside the box.

I really do want this to succeed because the fluff has potential and online participation guarantees story advancement, and there might be some nice minis maybe eventually possibly.

 Smacks wrote:


Yeah but anyone who gets into the game is going to want more than whatever they got with their pledge. If it's anything like 40k there will be a whole load of armies and races to collect beyond what is in the starter set. I would like to know how much that is going to cost.

All I ever hear about GW is how expensive the plastic tooling equipment is, and how they need to charge loads to cover the investment. But with this GoA if the plastic tooling is being paid for by the kickstarter backers (the people who play the game). Then are these same people also going to be charged £12 a model for miniatures made with the equipment they helped pay for? It seems to me GoA kits should be way cheaper than GW for many years to come. Yet somehow I doubt that will be the case.

That all kind of depends on whats going to be plastic. I am a bit confused on what is and is not plastic besides the robos

I assume the KS exclusives are metal? Otherwise we'll have another case of "Limited GW Plastic Kits" all over again (assuming HARD PLASTIC and not restic)

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
But how often does a serious fighter stand with his (or her) butt towards the enemy?

It is actually quite a decent guard position. Getting kicked in the butt is as good blocking, and far better than being kicked in the nuts. The knee is turned away if it gets stepped on. Shoulder protects chin. Possibility of distracting enemy with your butt... What serious fighter wouldn't stand that way?

 Smacks wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
But how often does a serious fighter stand with his (or her) butt towards the enemy?

It is actually quite a decent guard position. Getting kicked in the butt is as good blocking, and far better than being kicked in the nuts. The knee is turned away if it gets stepped on. Shoulder protects chin. Possibility of distracting enemy with your butt... What serious fighter wouldn't stand that way?

Apparently the Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man...

Anyway, I was just trying to illustrate why the SW women look odd in their Sir mix-A-Lot poses.

So long as Kev White doesn't sculpt the GoA women so that even NuHu got ta shout Baby Got back, I'll be happy.

Look, if your girlfriend's got da booty, even Isorians got tah shout.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

Well....

When you put it that way.....

But I have to ask...in this picture is ScarJo really pushing her butt out? I dont htink she is. I think she's just curvy.. I mean, her torso is pretty vertical....

But, that being said....point very well taken.

But how often does a serious fighter stand with his (or her) butt towards the enemy? Her pose was clearly designed to let you see her curves, rather than to demonstrate badassery like the others. If you can't imagine a serious action dude standing in a woman model's pose, then it is probably ridiculous and should be rethought.

I always do enjoy seeing that one picture, it's an excellent little demonstration of the fundamentally unserious approach hipsters take to issues. After all, there is no significant difference between the genders, certainly not in the area of secondary sexual characteristics or indicators of nubility/virility (no doubt racist/imperialist/patriarchal constructs, those...).

Sadly, the problems with BtGoA are much less of a laughing matter.


Over this week the Per Day To Succeed seems to have been on an inexorable march upwards (which is bad). While it's certainly understandable that there is a desire to shift discussion to their own forums, the effect has been to starve the campaign site of activity. The half-way point is passed, there are over 900 backers but only... 514 comments? Similarly, the most recent model revealed, the WIP "Boromite", that is a...? Boromites are labeled a panhuman, so they work for which faction? Who now? What what?

Those answers are there... somewhere. The more a casual viewer has to look, the fewer are going to make the effort. To be honest, what exactly they should be doing at this point in the game isn't entirely clear, there is simply so much verbiage on the official forums that condensing it seems almost impossible.

 chris_valera wrote:

The inclusion of female characters is a plus for me. I like the female Commisar that GW did as a promo figure, it was well-sculpted without being cheesecake or pinup material.

A commissar with a tight bustier that make her breasts practically hit her chin, a slit up her dress most of the way to the hip that would make Angelina Jolie jealous, and knee high leather boots isn't cheesecake or pinup material???? Her look fits more with a Firefly whorehouse than a grimdark IG battlefield. You apparently have some impossibly strict standards as to what is bad enough to qualify as cheesecake.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

I always do enjoy seeing that one picture, it's an excellent little demonstration of the fundamentally unserious approach hipsters take to issues. After all, there is no significant difference between the genders, certainly not in the area of secondary sexual characteristics or indicators of nubility/virility (no doubt racist/imperialist/patriarchal constructs, those...).

Sadly, the problems with BtGoA are much less of a laughing matter.

Did you seriously just "First World Problems LOL" me on sexism and immediately move on to "Rich, Famous White Guy Can't Get Enough Free Money, HELP"? Really?

And minimalization of the issue always makes you look classy. The picture is an easy demonstration that works BECAUSE it is funny. There are indeed physiological and mental differences between the genders, but I'm not sure exactly which part of the second X chromosome requires booty-pouting or whatever you call it. It's hardly a polemic to suggest that female soldiers look like they are competent soldiers and not Little Miss Soldiers, is it?

Over this week the Per Day To Succeed seems to have been on an inexorable march upwards (which is bad). While it's certainly understandable that there is a desire to shift discussion to their own forums, the effect has been to starve the campaign site of activity. The half-way point is passed, there are over 900 backers but only... 514 comments? Similarly, the most recent model revealed, the WIP "Boromite", that is a...? Boromites are labeled a panhuman, so they work for which faction? Who now? What what?

Those answers are there... somewhere. The more a casual viewer has to look, the fewer are going to make the effort. To be honest, what exactly they should be doing at this point in the game isn't entirely clear, there is simply so much verbiage on the official forums that condensing it seems almost impossible.

I think they need to start some sort of concept elimination tournament. They can use Better 1 or Better 2 style polls between the most commonly promoted ideas so that they can finally find a direction and move in it.

As for the cost of the miniatures as discussed some posts up... well, consider that at this point the cheapest additional credit thing on the KS page is £85 for 800 credits. Based on the listed credit prices, figures seem to vary between 10-30, with most being 20 or 30. This would lead to 26-80 miniatures for £85. Or, £1,06-3,27 per miniature. Even taking £2 as an average, you'd be paying about £20 for 10 minis. That's cheaper than, say, a Tactical squad, but the quality and customizability will remain to be seen.

Oh, and one more thing about the Club stretch goal thing, since it's apparently not even mentioned no the KS page, and I'm lazy about going to the official site at this point. Since it is meant to somehow boost early pledgers, does that in effect mean that only those who had pledged and been part of the stretch when a threshold was crossed get that particular bonus? So that if one joins say, a week before the deadline and no further stretch goals are met after that, no bonuses for that person? If it's not like that, I'm not sure what the bonus is for adopting early. If it IS like that, well... too bad for me I guess, since at this point I'd only pledge the minimum really, because as mentioned I can't - nor do I know yet if I want to - really "properly" pledge before the 28th.

And as Buzzsaw points out, the progress on reaching the goal has been poor as a whole. In the few days that I've been following this, there's been maybe a couple thousand £ worth of pledges added, which does not bode well.

 tvih wrote:
Oh, and one more thing about the Club stretch goal thing, since it's apparently not even mentioned no the KS page, and I'm lazy about going to the official site at this point. Since it is meant to somehow boost early pledgers, does that in effect mean that only those who had pledged and been part of the stretch when a threshold was crossed get that particular bonus? So that if one joins say, a week before the deadline and no further stretch goals are met after that, no bonuses for that person? If it's not like that, I'm not sure what the bonus is for adopting early. If it IS like that, well... too bad for me I guess, since at this point I'd only pledge the minimum really, because as mentioned I can't - nor do I know yet if I want to - really "properly" pledge before the 28th.

The bonus appears to be a "discount" on unlocking stretch goals - the earlier you sign up, the more points your pledge adds.

Since Warlord will do the production side I think a good gues would be to go over to their shop and have a look what miniatures cost over there.

Droids will be plastic, rest will be metal for the time being and if I remember correctly first vehicles will be made of resin.

@Chris
Well, when I started in the Sedition Wars thread to be not so touchy -feely those guy over there that are not so in favor of touchy-feely over here were among the first to hit the mod-button. I think this explains a lot (As long as they are not at the receiving end its fine for them but....)

The thing guy is a good step in the right direction.

Hope to see some more work for the other factions, now.


I'm unclear on the hoopla that they are doing with clubs, and not seeing how they are going to "Get the word out..." without more sculpts.

Hope they pick up the pace here in the next few days.

I'd like to see some more of that Syndicate guy, as well.

Some new concept art, for my personal favourite faction the Isorians:

They look awesome!

Well they did it. After a month of really only being interested in the rules and not caring about the fluff/background/factions/etc, they got me interested. That Isorian concept very unique and now I'm paying a lot closer attention. If they keep this trend up my wallet will probably open more as a lot of the concepts get transformed to actual sculpts. Took long enough, haha.

To be honest, I was hoping for something else/ more, still, the best faction they have showcased so far, the second concept is the best from the two.

Okay, that sounds rather nice. Okay Rick, fine. I'll put my money where my mouth is.

I like that concept a lot. I was thinking of CCC, but day-m.

And that's someone put down the exact money for the 100k mark!

Huzzah!

Update:

HURRAH!!!!

We've hit our first stretch goal in the Global Club rewards!

This one boosts EVERY feeder box with an extra 10 credits so the feeder box now has 510 Custom Army Credits! Nice!


If you're not involved in this yet all you need to do is register on the forums and fill in a couple of fields, and your current pledge level will be counted towards the Grand Total which will then count towards hitting these targets and give you all more rewards!

Go here to find out what's going on (graphic at bottom of page)

Thank you everyone!

Well I have to say that Isorian guy is pretty cool, he remainds me of the collector armour from Mass Effect, love the extended spine and head cap, all it needs now is a great looking helmet. This guy and the C3 trooper now makes two concepts/armies I'm really intrested in, if only they had these right from the start we would probley be looking at a very different Kickstarter.

It is a very long kick starter so when you look back on it what of the first half was the taking suggestions of what people wanted to see where as the second half has art concepts and greens of what was asked for the most?

I have to admit I wasn't interested in that faction at all till I saw this update!

This is the first thing I thought of when I saw the Iosians:



How many races did they say there were going to be again?

4 Factions (Concord, Freeborn, Determinate and Isorians) to start.

Races have more scope, there's nuhu (hyper evolved humans), Pans (genetically engineered from humans, many sub species), Sims (genetically engineered from monkeys, many species), Reavers (standard humans), and drones thus far.


Boromites are a subspecies of Pan for example.

 cincydooley wrote:
This is the first thing I thought of when I saw the Iosians:



How many races did they say there were going to be again?

You ninjad me!

@krazynadechukr: I totally thought of the Prometheus engineer too!

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