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 kenshin620 wrote:

The Hansa took about 2 or so weeks right? That was nearly 1/4 of the campaign time that could have been avoided if they moved the timetables of their development a few weeks ahead

Exactly.

They should have had a couple of greens ready to go on day 1 of the KS.

Failing that, they should have produced a few quickly, within the first couple weeks. (which they didn't)

Failing that, they should have produced some greens within the next weeks. (which they also didn't - we still have 1.25 greens...)

Failing that...

...the KS is probably going to fail.

Honestly, do they *want* to fail? Is there something else going on that we're not privy to? (like this idea of taking proof of the KS to a bank for a more traditional loan to capitalize their project).

-C6

 catharsix wrote:
Honestly, do they *want* to fail? Is there something else going on that we're not privy to? (like this idea of taking proof of the KS to a bank for a more traditional loan to capitalize their project).

Maybe. But it would be taken to investors, not necessarily a bank.

And is anyone else seeing this as the green comes together?

 catharsix wrote:

Honestly, do they *want* to fail? Is there something else going on that we're not privy to? (like this idea of taking proof of the KS to a bank for a more traditional loan to capitalize their project).

I've been wondering about that myself. It just seems to have been inordinately badly run, and not at all what would be expected with Stallard involved.

 Dentry wrote:

And is anyone else seeing this as the green comes together?

Hah! I wish!

 kenshin620 wrote:

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Let's not get too wound up about it.

Perry make a set and sell it. They don't make a Kickstarter and say they will make a set in the future. The same for practically all other makers I know of, from Essex to NavWar to Corvus Belli to Minifigs.

I'm not

It's quite annoying the short memories some seem to have, I mean under just a year ago, when there was no KS's athletes, every company had a similar visibility... now just because some UK (or whatever country) Kickstarters are not visible = UK miniatures producers are lazy

I got the impression he was speaking more to the fact that UK producers were perfectionists and quality driven. Not so much that they don't do the work, but that they only accept the best and don't worry about volume.

Thanks for explaining me perfectly!

I mention it is not a bad thing in my original post. I have great respect for the venerable british model makers, but in a short time frame of 2 months then the quality over speed approach wont do as well if they havent started yet

The Hansa took about 2 or so weeks right? That was nearly 1/4 of the campaign time that could have been avoided if they moved the timetables of their development a few weeks ahead

With all due respect you cannot extrapolate something like this KS to make any kind of conclusion regarding UK Producers behaviors, trends etc.... its one project and thats about it.

Speaking of this project I have already posted here my opinion...
Funny though unlike all the other 99% of uk producers that put their own money on the line and actually produce things this project is even less likely be a good example of anything.

Failing that...

...the KS is probably going to fail.

Honestly, do they *want* to fail?

No, of course not. They've been trying very hard to address all of the criticism. They recently released a pre-alpha rule book, screen shots of the MMO aspect of the game, and the wardrone + boromite. All released quicker than they wanted (with less player input than originally intended).

The idea behind the kickstarter was to have player input in the beginning for all the sculpts, rule book, and how/looks of the MMO options. Maybe that was a bad idea, but I feel it is a good one. It may not pan out in a lot of people's minds, but it is not designed by committee, or by majority; all ideas do go through an editorial process to make sure the various ideas do fit the overall theme. With that said, the player based already had a large impact, not by watering down concepts, but by refining them. People said bald is beautiful, and bam! Hansa is bald. There was large talk on what hard-science is and it was hammered out.

Now the argument that the majority of the money being pledge for models is a false one; first gen models for any game systems always tend to be lacking, in terms of art direction, theme, and production values. A lot of kickstarter models that have come out have been ending up as poor quality, which is what you get when a game is only support by 20-100K; cheap models. (Kingdom Death is the exception; those are amazing!) Dark Space Corp is being honest on how much it costs to start a company and a game from the ground up.

What you are paying for is for player input (only those that pledge can have input after kickstarter), a dynamic online universe with built in protections from false battle reports, an always-online rulebook updated daily, full smart phone/tablet support for all files on android/apple, to play the game before anyone else, and the models. If all that one cares about is models, and not the other parts of this game; then yes don't pledge. The kickstarter will fail if most gamers want only new models. I hope that is not the case, and we still have a lot of time to see and find out.

They should have had a kickstarter for a fancy forum or something, get the buzz going, spend six months or so developing the game on the forum. Instead we have the Gatecrash..... I actually feel really sorry for them.

This seems pretty similar to the infamous Black Isle studios kickstarter.

Nah, keep in mind that Black Isle by now is just an empty shell company, that was just an empty money grab. This is actually a real effort.

Update: Boromite Overseer Diorama - Final Sculpt by Wojtek

evening everyone!

We're closing in on our next Gobal Club Stretch Goal with only 20k points to go - this one will give every backer at Dark Energy, 10 more credits in their box! check it out here
Tonight we have the final part of the Boromite Overseer for you, nice.

Enjoy.

That actually looks pretty cool, and I think really improved a lot from the initial sculpt (the little accessories help a lot). Will be interesting to see what colour combinations people come up with, or what is the official one for that matter.

It's not looking bright for this kickstarter :( I expected so much more from this.

 Pacific wrote:
That actually looks pretty cool, and I think really improved a lot from the initial sculpt (the little accessories help a lot). Will be interesting to see what colour combinations people come up with, or what is the official one for that matter.

If somebody took the image, cropped it and uploaded it to dakka, they could put it into our Army Painter and try it out for themselves, using whatever colours they can think of. I'm not a big enough fan of the model to spend the time doing that myself, but if someone reading this wants to try, I'd be very interested in seeing the results. The army painter works well with unpainted models, so it would have decent results.

 Perkustin wrote:
They should have had a kickstarter for a fancy forum or something, get the buzz going, spend six months or so developing the game on the forum. Instead we have the Gatecrash..... I actually feel really sorry for them.

This seems pretty similar to the infamous Black Isle studios kickstarter.

If they wanted one hundred thousand pounds (roughly US$157k) for a rulebook (and an exclusive figure) they probably would have gotten it. All those other small things, like a US shell company so they could use Amazon payments and hold the KS in US$ would also have helped a great deal.


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A decent figure. I don't personally like the aesthetic, but I appreciate the quality of the sculpting.

Most recent update is now up, Freeborn sculpt:

I like what I can see of the model.

Not sure if it was my eyes originally but my focus on the first image seemed off so much so that at a glance it looked like a guy with a huge beard (I clearly assumed dwarf)

When I managed to focus however I liked what I saw.

I'm liking him, if the rest of the Freeborn turn out as well, they'll be very cool looking indeed.

 Melcavuk wrote:
Not sure if it was my eyes originally but my focus on the first image seemed off so much so that at a glance it looked like a guy with a huge beard (I clearly assumed dwarf)

When I managed to focus however I liked what I saw.

The armband threw me off. Couldn't figure out if he was barechested or wearing a cuirass.

Nice model (I would buy it) but it's a pretty generic techno-barbarian. It's the perfect example of the kind of thing they should have had a half-dozen of, ready to show/go on day 1.

 Azazelx wrote:
Nice model (I would buy it) but it's a pretty generic techno-barbarian. It's the perfect example of the kind of thing they should have had a half-dozen of, ready to show/go on day 1.

EXACTLY. This is especially true since amateur folks here on Dakka (& elsewhere) churn out superior sculpts in much shorter periods of time.

And as for this new green (or grey?) goes, it's a step in the right direction, but IMO, kinda meh. But I'm not a big fan of REDNECKS IIINN N SSSPAAAAACCCEEE!!!!! so maybe it's just me.

-C6

Nope another uninspiring sculpt I would not buy this and if it was a gift I would not paint it... its just not up to today's modelling levels, so many cool models are released monthly that this is just plain boring by comparison ( and not that well sculpted).
One of those minis that will not survive more than 5 minutes in my memory, it's just so damn generic and bland.

If you want to publish a printed rulebook it is quite easy and cheap to do so via Lulu. The main drawback being you can't do hardback.

http://www.lulu.com/gb/en

i feel the gun needs a little work not sure why that random odd detail is bothering me. The gun looks like it needs a little more work though.

The right arm/shoulder is all wrong. The way it connects to the body is wrong. The angles of the elbow and wrist are wrong. It needs fixing. Kev White wouldn't have made a mess of that.

Nice sculpt I guess. Just a bit dull for my tastes. If only he looked anything like the concept art as well, I would be interested if they actually looked like that!

 NAVARRO wrote:
Nope another uninspiring sculpt I would not buy this and if it was a gift I would not paint it... its just not up to today's modelling levels, so many cool models are released monthly that this is just plain boring by comparison ( and not that well sculpted).
One of those minis that will not survive more than 5 minutes in my memory, it's just so damn generic and bland.

This. I'm sorry to say but each sculpt past Hansa has left me more and more uninspired to give this game anything. :/ There's nothing at all catchy about this latest one, and the details don't feel up to par; I'm completely willing to admit that may be due to a gray model on a background, with some details not seen... but that shouldn't be what we're being shown.

So far, the only thing that has my interest is the longcoat trooper artwork. But I'm certainly not willing to put money down yet given my finances atm.

I wish the proportions were more accurately portrayed. I think the biggest failing, to me, is that he isn't proportioned the way the concept piece is. He's too squat and wide, not the muscular, tall figure in the artwork. If he wasn't built like a GW Space Marine, he would be more impressive. Also, the fur cloak is just... it feels very out of place. Like he's a space viking.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Nope another uninspiring sculpt I would not buy this and if it was a gift I would not paint it... its just not up to today's modelling levels, so many cool models are released monthly that this is just plain boring by comparison ( and not that well sculpted).
One of those minis that will not survive more than 5 minutes in my memory, it's just so damn generic and bland.

I actually think it's somewhat cool and would paint it. It's the sort of "space adventurers" kinda thing that I'd buy off Hasslefree's website. The issue for me is that it doesn't make me want to pledge money for the GoA project. Hansa is the same way for me, really. It really needs at least one faction with a strong - dare I say, armoured aesthetic. Think of Eldar, Dark Eldar, Space Marines, Tau.

There is something ...odd about the gun though, and he doesn't really seem that connected to the concept art. It's like a Catachan killed the guy in the concept art and dressed up in his gear...

The fur cloak just ruins the vibe for me. They were going for "rag-tag nomad" and ended up with "techno viking". He looks like a Wolf Scout.

The green is not nearly as good as the concept sketch. He has changed to "heroic" proportions, and the gun has become a kind of knock-off artisan bolt pistol.

To be fair, these are aesthetic considerations, but clearly there has been a change of aesthetic from the original art, which means it becomes difficult to trust any concept sketches.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The green is not nearly as good as the concept sketch. He has changed to "heroic" proportions, and the gun has become a kind of knock-off artisan bolt pistol.

I really hope that's not even intended to be based on that concept art, because if so, it's a hilariously bad match in terms of style and proportion