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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Yeah, they need to put some more stretch goals or optional purchases up there.

Hahahah!

Oh man... I love Kickstarters @ Dakka.

One minute it's: "Why aren't there more free included stretch goals?" and then the next it's "They need to put up more paid stretch goals!!!"


I'm not saying I disagree with you here cincydooley, it's just that there will be a litany of people complaining about paid stretch goals and how there are too many the next time they put up another $15 mini.

Amazing! Different people have different opinions! Holy !!!

*shakes head*

Aw scip... that wasn't what I meant at all. C'mon. You know better than that.

That picture's not accurate yet, HBMC. It will be at $210k.

So a little bit of news about this, CMON has said that the models for this will be prebuilt. I kind of assumed this would be the case but it seems alot of people on the KS comments thought that you would have to assemble the minis and were upset when CMON announced this. Just a heads up in case anyone was curious.

 squall018 wrote:
So a little bit of news about this, CMON has said that the models for this will be prebuilt. I kind of assumed this would be the case but it seems alot of people on the KS comments thought that you would have to assemble the minis and were upset when CMON announced this. Just a heads up in case anyone was curious.

Damn, that was one of the things I liked about the initial run of SDE. I recently got the new SDE expansions, it's prebuilt now and it takes me more time to just clean up their assembled models then it would take for me to clean up and assemble unassembled models.

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 squall018 wrote:
So a little bit of news about this, CMON has said that the models for this will be prebuilt. I kind of assumed this would be the case but it seems alot of people on the KS comments thought that you would have to assemble the minis and were upset when CMON announced this. Just a heads up in case anyone was curious.

Damn, that was one of the things I liked about the initial run of SDE. I recently got the new SDE expansions, it's prebuilt now and it takes me more time to just clean up their assembled models then it would take for me to clean up and assemble unassembled models.

I understand. As a wargamer I always prefer unassembled miniatures, but I've learned that in the boardgaming realm its something you rarely get. I already have too much stuff to assemble and paint as is, so maybe this is a blessing in disguise.

They're damned if they do, Damned if they dont in this instance. We can deal with pre-assembled models, though we'd prefer otherwise. They'd lose a lot of support from the boardgame crowd if the models came disassembled.

Just put out an announcement with some new stretch goals as well as vertical tanks. Looks pretty awesome!

and free Skirmish Rules in the works as well.

The fact that they are doubling both the infantry and the cavalry is starting to make the Blitzkrieg a much better deal. I think people were questioning if the 60 dollars extra was worth it and I think this well help push it into the well worth it column. At least for me it does.

Plus with the extra tank for both factions, looking like we will get a pretty decent sized force out of it and I know there is more to come, hopefully the much hinted to air units or second infantry for both factions.

Only thing slightly lacking now is the amount of vehicles for each faction, that could also do with being doubled just to keep things balanced (it's currently at 2 vehicles per side).

The only thing I find odd are the (extra) heroes, they all seem to be allied side and none from the blight side.

vertical tanks are nice though.

It's good to see that they've realised KD:M pricing won't work with this kickstarter the 4 tanks for $20 is a pretty good deal better than the Jetpacker and plug for $15 anyway. They seem to be building the sets up to allow for skirmish level play now.

PsychoticStorm the heroes can be used by either side but only 1 version of each can fielded but very true they are much more suited to the allied side.

That's a nice addition - two tanks for $20, and that doubles to 4 if they hit the goal. Very nice.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's a nice addition - two tanks for $20, and that doubles to 4 if they hit the goal. Very nice.

Agreed! And the Cavalry bonus is just absurd.

I can't access all the pictures. Anyone got a running total of what the # of models will be at $245k?

double the cavalry (bike monowheel), from 4 to 8


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 DaveC wrote:
It's good to see that they've realised KD:M pricing won't work with this kickstarter the 4 tanks for $20 is a pretty good deal better than the Jetpacker and plug for $15 anyway. They seem to be building the sets up to allow for skirmish level play now.

PsychoticStorm the heroes can be used by either side but only 1 version of each can fielded but very true they are much more suited to the allied side.

Because I tried to look for it and didn't find it, not with passion I will admit, does this mean both sides can have them and duplicates can exist on the table or that only one side can have them on the table, but both sides can field them?

And yes they all scream allies, none blight.

AFAIK either side can field them but you can only have 1 of them in play during the game so if the Allies are using the Man in Charge then the blight can't use him and vice versa and if he gets killed the other side can't then use him there's only 1 and the side is locked in once picked.

But I can't find the relevant comment either.

For cincy




Just double the infantry to 24 per side, and the cavalry to 8 per side. Quick math says 86 if you count both the characters and their respective plugs.

 cincydooley wrote:
I can't access all the pictures. Anyone got a running total of what the # of models will be at $245k?

I believe the total would be:

Allies
24 Infantry
8 Rocket Bikes
2 Ostrich Walkers
2 Vert Tanks
2 Mortars
2 Heroes
1 Plug Turret
General Paston (+plug)
Babydoll (+plug)
The Man In Charge (+plug)
The Veteran (+plug)

Blight:
24 Infantry
8 Mono-Wheels
2 Sturmpanzers
2 Machine Guns
2 Landskriegers
2 Heroes
1 plug turret
General Romler (+plug)
r100 (+plug)
The Jetpacker (+plug)

So 87 all up, plus 9 plugs (be they turrets or heroes).

Nice HBMC. My typing and HTML skills suck.

I don't think the Jetpacker is included that I saw, it is just an add on.

Yes, you're right. And neither would the Vert Tanks and the Landskriegers for that matter, but I figured he'd want to know the full count.

the Rocketeer was American, wondering why he's appearing as Blight?

His fluff says he fights for anyone.

The two (four) tanks for $20 looks quite good. I know there are some pictures of them out there, but are there any of them next to "normal" miniatures? I'm thinking they maybe able to be used in Weird-WW2 games if the sizes are compatable and they don't look too Chibi.

You're right on the pricing, DaveC. I imagine that while some people went for the Rocketeer for $15, it probably wasn't exactly a huge seller. The fire sale price on the tanks may be an attempt to regain lost ground from that stretch.. especially when you note that the already-included tanks are being sold for $20 each by comparison.

Personally, I think they could sweet spot the characters at $10. 5 for the character, 5 for the plug. THat would work for me

Fire sale? Regaining lost ground?

Must everything be so dramatic, or hide a hidden meaning?

Kickstarter + DakkaDakka = DramaDrama!

A lot of people seem to be very unhappy with this Kickstarter judging from the Kickstarter comments page and the Board Game Geek forum. I am personally very happy with it and whilst the base game does cost more then Zomibicide I think we just as good value for money and I know it will get get even better before the end of the campaign (still 20 days to go). Coolmini confirmed that planes are also a planned stretch goal so hopefully we see them shortly as well as those alternate infantry units that have been mentioned a few times.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fire sale? Regaining lost ground?

Must everything be so dramatic, or hide a hidden meaning?

Kickstarter + DakkaDakka = DramaDrama!

Whilst maybe phrased a bit Dramatic there is some truth to it, the pledged amount dropped by 1k or so a few times today and did the same yesterday (most recently at the new tank addon/stretch goal as that seems to have upset people). I wouldn't be surprised if they lost 50 backers since Friday (although have made it up and some since but still see people dropping out or reducing pledge to $1).

And? This has some great meaning? People drop out, new people come in. It's not as if this is the first Kickstarter where this has happened. I know people who stuck with the Mantic one almost right to the end, but then pulled out. Did Mantic do something wrong? Did they "lose ground" and need a "fire sale" to make up for the great and many social faux pas they committed against an innocent customer base?

As far as comments on BGG... these are the same people who complained bitterly about Zombicide, and about Sedition Wars and probably about every other Kickstarter. I'd give them the same level of credence as I would YouTube comments...

I think the people that left (in waves) was people that learned in different times that the miniatures will come preassembled.

At least that's what I got from the comments.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fire sale? Regaining lost ground?

Must everything be so dramatic, or hide a hidden meaning?

Kickstarter + DakkaDakka = DramaDrama!

I think you're the one being a drama queen here, as you've shown with your posts throughout this thread.

A lot of us like to analyse and think about the things that go on in games and kickstarters, and why they happen. Of course, others simply decide to whine endlessly that "Jervis stole my chocolates", "I hate GW and everything that they stand for" or fanboi things to the extreme.

So put on a grown-up hat for a moment and think about it logically: At this point, CMON has run several Kickstarters and has a pretty good idea of where they want to be by which day - particularly early on as we are now. They're fully aware of the free goal/stetch goal system, and they know how it works, very well. With the recent KD KS, they saw that $15 add-ons were possible, and tried it on. Despite the fact that you jumped on it as a great deal or whatever, it doesn't appear to be all that popular - in more ways than one. The result is that I imagine they are not as far forward with their stretch goals/running total as they would like to be. Given that the existing tanks are $20 each, $20 for 4 seems an incredibly good deal.

My posit is that this particular deal is so good in order to reignite some movement and make up for the lost ground that they would have had when their only add-ons were expensive base-game tanks, dice and a few $15 chibi figures (2 of which they were already giving away). It was probably planned quite similarly, but with one American tankbot for $20 adding a the Hanomagbot at the stretch point. This will now kickstart movement again and make some of the unhappy people into happy people. CMON is very good at running Kickstarters (at least until they have your money in hand). Everything they do is for a reason, in this case they're offering 4 tanks when they could have probably sold 2 for the same add-on price to a lot of people. None of their goals are set in stone until they're "released" - on price or exact numbers of models, which allows them to cleverly adapt as the campaign progresses. If you think this is simply coincidence or "how they planned it all along", then I've probably been giving you too much credit until now. Of course, this being the internet, no amount of argument will convince you to actually admit that you think you might have been wrong or change your opinion.