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Woha there @Lone lictor, xenophobic yes, but racist no...
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
An easy thing for you to say, but that doesn't make it any better for everyone else who is not a member of the privileged class of white heterosexual males.
If you want it to be oppressive, why should the setting use YOUR particular group as the basis for the group that isn't oppressed?
You just want to get out of being oppressed by the Imperium Silly you, oppression is for EVERYONE, not "everyone but the white hetero-sexual male"; the Imperium is an equal opportunity oppressor, and you will step in line to be oppressed by everyone else, and YOU WILL LIKE IT.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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There are Imperial Guard regiments that are entirely equipped with Bolt weaponry.
The Emperor is dead. The sacrifice of psykers is the only thing keeping the astronomicon lit.
Terra is not a hive world but more of a shrine to humanity's glory. Only the wealthiest live there, only the finest foods get consumed and only the purest of heart worship the embalmed corpse. It is one of the nicest planets in the Imperium but many people toil in it's shadow to keep it that way.
There are untold billions planets (Only around 30% habitable) that the Imperium controls. There are Qunitillions of Imperial Guardsmen in each segmentum alone thanks to the abundance of high population worlds and countless orbital cities. Billions of Guardsmen die thanks to clerical errors. The population of humans alone is easily in the order of Googolplex. Guardsmen are truly the best of the best but they are only human. They die in droves not because of their own incompetence but because of the scale they are fighting and the enemies that they fight.
Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
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Void__Dragon wrote:Whereas the Space Marines being all-male is a very big detail that has IIRC been with the setting since its inception.
And the Vostroyans have been all-male since they were created. At least in GW's material.
I mean, I fully agree that it's not as big a thing as Marines being all-male, but consistency is consistency. At which level of detail people draw their lines is purely a matter of preferences.
You actually noted that in your next post yourself - it's just that the one I was replying to came across as if you'd accuse Beaviz of acting out of misogyny rather than being bothered by unnecessary deviation.
Miscommunication.
Compel wrote: I've heard this opinion around several times. And been quite freaked out about it each time.
The Imperium tolerates ogres and hobbits, there has been times when they've even made use of literal beastmen as cannon fodder.
The Imperium does not give a monkeys about what region of an Imperial planet a person comes from, they've got bigger things to worry about.
Tolerance does not necessarily imply acceptance. Ogryns and Rattlingsare considered to be second class citizens at best while beastmen ( at least if we trust the "Only War" fluff ) might soon lose their
status as tolerated ( although opressed and exploited ) variant of the homo sapiens. The Imperium is obsessed with genetic purity ( as little as this word means ) but at least they don't care too much about the colour of one's skin ( unless it is violet or green or something, then you have a good chance to be declared a despicable mutant ).
The death company that do not die in combat are kept in stasis because the flaw is thinning the number of BA. Astorath manages this by also using them as test subjects for corbolo to find a cure.(I use this because I named a few of my DC, and they never change.)
The night lords numbers are not dwindling. They are just in wait. and have nothing to do with chaos. they just wipe out chapters at their weakest.
There is no such thing as an ork making a mistake....
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My personal retcon is that Commander Farsight is from a more recent time instead of a historical footnote from 200 years ago that somehow made it into the codex.
That way, Tau fluff is one step closer to full-on Gandam parody, as Shadowsun can be the Haman Karn to Farsight's Char without the fact that he's dead (barring cloning or magical shenanigans) getting in the way.
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Another personal piece of re- retcon: my DA have still an Iron Wing. With my org chart it consists of the support tanks, the flyers and the landing vessels, distinguished by a red signature area beneath the chapter symbol.
Trying to stay somewhat similar to 5th crons so that the changes to the army still work:
The C'tan were never betrayed by their Necron servants (after all there would have been fail-safes ensuring that there would be no betrayals right? Or loyalty programming? Or maybe the Necrons still think of them as gods?). After the war in heaven many of the C'tan were destroyed, and the remainder were too far and few between to control the galaxy like they once did, so in order to spread their influence and fight on more fronts they splintered their essence; creating the shards. Their power was then divided among these shards. (Except the Void Dragon, who is trapped on Mars. That is the truth of the omnissiah and the terrible secret of the Adeptus Mechanicus)
Also higher up Necron's such as Overlords, Lords, and Crypteks retained their minds and personality in order to be better leaders and so that they can operate independently of the C’tan if need be (and because the C'tan love all the god-worship).
Finally, Flayed ones retained their minds as well, but weren’t equipped to deal with immortality like the Royal Court and Phaerons, so they went insane. They now wear the skin of organics as a desperate attempt to once again be among the living (rather than doing it just because they’re bat-gak crazy)
EDIT: I saw this on 1d4chan and thought it could be an amusing retcon:
Spoiler:
That Draigo is, in fact, defeated - Chaos cannot be beaten in its own realm of non-space because of the mere fact that chaotic beings are immortal, after all, and none of the above is true.
Right now, this very moment, Draigo is in fact a shredded pile of torn flesh and shattered bone after having his ass handed to him by the above Lord of Change and Bloodthirster, who proceeded to step in whilst the Lord kept him distracted - just as planned. This pile of broken ex-marine is also gushing ooze and phlegm and pus as he was infected with every blight and pox Nurgle has to offer. This shredded, oozing pile....thing, is also being raped and violated in the most unspeakable and vile ways by the Daemonettes of Slaanesh.
And so it shall continue, for all eternity. Because every single Chaos God finds it fething hilarious.
The only reason he thinks "all is well" is because Tzeentch thought he'd have a bit fun with Draigo. He stuck Draigo into a matrix-esque dream world where everything goes his way and is just waiting for Draigo to climb as high as he can. This dream world will probably last until Draigo has crushed the Chaos gods themselves and all their armies beneath his feet and caused the God-Emperor himself to rise from the throne and suck him off!
Then, at the "funniest" possible moment, right as his bolter is about to fire its payload (and we're not talking about the one on his wrist), Tzeentch will rip it all away from him, Draigo will wake up and see what has really become of him and weep tears of utter loss and despair! "Just as planned!"
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Necron Phase Out: Because when you're not winning, you can always rage-quit
I mentioned earlier that is exactly what I believe about Draigo. Except they are trying to convince him to turn to Chaos by showing he can not accomplish anything
MajorStoffer wrote: The Leman Russ isn't armoured with just plain old steel.
FW will never live that one down.
Also, the riveted armour on Imperial vehicles is an ablative layer designed to protect against high-energy weapons, with the main hull being properly welded together. Space Marine vehicles largely lack this layer, hence lower armour values in TT.
Ew thats good I like that.
Moi: -There are many worlds with advanced technologies in the Imperium. In game terms these can be represented by other codexes. -There are nonImperium human civilizations out there, doing just fine. -Many, if not most chaos worlds are not crazy foam spewing freaks. They're normal, and just threw off the yoke of the Imperial rule. -The Eldar are not all dying out. Some craftworlds and maiden worlds have resorted to using Dark Eldar cloning and incubation techniques to develop far larger populations, populations that are remembering what the Eldar Empire was, and have resolved to take back what was theirs. -Marines can start the process much later - aka adults - with proper gene therapy. (I don't like the concept of child soldiers thank you) -Tyranids are a menace, but they are not the all powerful swarm taking out the galaxy. The main hive fleets that entered are indeed the vanguard. The remnants are all thats left, which gives the rest of the galaxy a strong fighting chance of beating them.
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- the Blood Angels as a whole. (Vampires and Werewolves. Really GW? Why not make it at least more interesting with a Cowboy Chapter...)
So true, but aside dumb twilight and Mary Sue primarch, what @Omegus said one time they are really super boring...
The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."
-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.
The Swarmlord isn't fully sentient in thought, the Hive Mind simply uses it as a massive "conductor beacon" when a threat challenges the Hive fleet or when the psychic link falters. He isn't some Kerrigenesque character shoved in to add personality to the Tyranids, which they already have, but not in a special character way.
Draigo is a long forgotten and best forgotten memory of the Grey Knights, who insulted the Chaos God only to be dragged off by Karnak and forced into a lucid dream world, where his reality is a mash of his dreams and nightmares.
The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
The Emperor is an Old One. End of the necron war, he ditched the losing side and hid. Once everyone else was dead and necrons went to sleep, he popped back out.
Think about it like this. The Old Ones created the lesser races to help fight the necrons. I would assume in their own images, which is why all the races are similar yet different. Big E was the inspiration for humanity.
He may seem a bit xenophobic, but then again, if someone built something that rivaled your own creation and then left forever, you would be tempted to beat it down too.
The Old Ones created the Warp and would obviously be intimately aware of how it works. Big E knew enough of the Warp to be able to screw over and cheat the chaos gods.
He has enough psyker ability to light the astronomicon as well as single-handedly hold chaos in check while almost dead.
Has been around for a very long time, quite possibly at the advent of humanity, guiding them along.
I dont care what GW ever puts out, I stand by the idea that he is the last of the Old Ones.
Sarge: Quick, Kill them!
Grunt: Wait, but those are ladies, we cant hurt ladies.
Sarge: Those arent ladies, they're Deamonettes. They will tear you limb from limb and eat your soul.
Grunt: But sir... that's what ladies do....
- the Blood Angels as a whole. (Vampires and Werewolves. Really GW? Why not make it at least more interesting with a Cowboy Chapter...)
So true, but aside dumb twilight and Mary Sue primarch, what @Omegus said one time they are really super boring...
How about Space Wolves? Those are boring too.
*ducks away, looking for cover*
Agreed. The only reason that i have more respect for the Wolves is that our local meta has only a handful of SW places who love the crap out of their armies.
It shows, and make me appreciate the Wolves significantly more.
Local BA players tend to be very 'meh' about their armies.
Me too,also they have much more logical explanation to their canine genes ( what Magnus was explainin' in "a TS", you know death world, first colonists) , but jolly good vikings of late is a little off (for me)....
But La Chupacabra and half gai approach - NO!
I'mean they have an urge to SUCK (blood)...I'mean wtf? Astartes?
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The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."
-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.
thenoobbomb wrote: Blood Angels don't want to 'suck' blood and they don't.
That's the Blood Drinkers, mate.
They are drinking blood...period
- their sucking successor chapter has a chapter master who is called like Max Schrek in Nosferatu - Orloc
-only thing worse than that are mission impossible marines
* me ducking for cover *
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Oooo sweeet Alphas and their Cabal - I mean, in my world they are only chaos marines loyal to Horus, none of that crap....
The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."
-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.
thenoobbomb wrote: Blood Angels don't want to 'suck' blood and they don't.
That's the Blood Drinkers, mate.
They are drinking blood...period
- their sucking successor chapter has a chapter master who is called like Max Schrek in Nosferatu - Orloc
-only thing worse than that are mission impossible marines
* me ducking for cover *
That's the second time in a week you try to offend me. Typical space wolf behaviour...
Silly you, oppression is for EVERYONE, not "everyone but the white hetero-sexual male"; the Imperium is an equal opportunity oppressor, and you will step in line to be oppressed by everyone else, and YOU WILL LIKE 
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- I mean, in my world they are only chaos marines loyal to Horus, none of that crap....
