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 MajorStoffer wrote:
Termies, however, don't have much to worry about; rolling two 1s in a row is unlikely to say the least.

If only!

It'll be interesting to see what new terminator weapon options others might get, if any.

Fluffwise I actually thought the Deathwing would get some form of Plasma Blasters (essentially twin-linked plasma guns), like the old Captain of the Ultramarines 1st company had. But I'll take a Plasma Cannon, thank you very much.

Plasma guns for the DA Termies? Ouch. This would be a bit too much. But yeah, combi-plasma would have been fluffy too.

 XT-1984 wrote:
And unlike any other plasma cannon wielding model I can think of, his hand is right on the 'heat sink'.

Thats the magnetic accelerator coil.

And all in all im very much liking the new Deathwing box. Lots of nice weapon options, plus theres the champion, standard bearer and apothecary.

That submerged hand just looks horrible.

The dice gods will delight in killing plasma cannon using termies, maths says it's unlikely but we've all seen that happen many times.

Just last night I played a friend and killed five TH/SS termies with Bolter fire from one squad, it should not happen but it does.

hobojebus wrote:
The dice gods will delight in killing plasma cannon using termies, maths says it's unlikely but we've all seen that happen many times.

Just last night I played a friend and killed five TH/SS termies with Bolter fire from one squad, it should not happen but it does.

Small arms fire kills Terminators. This is one way to deal with them.

 Crimson wrote:
That submerged hand just looks horrible.

Which hand is that?

 HerbaciousT wrote:


Which hand is that?

Look at the hand holding the plasma cannon. Half of it is just missing. It looks really awkward.

 Crimson wrote:

 HerbaciousT wrote:


Which hand is that?

Look at the hand holding the plasma cannon. Half of it is just missing. It looks really awkward.

Very strange.

 Crimson wrote:

 HerbaciousT wrote:


Which hand is that?

Look at the hand holding the plasma cannon. Half of it is just missing. It looks really awkward.

Oh yeah! I never noticed that. Its like its missing half the fingers. Still will definitely have one in my army though!

 HerbaciousT wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 HerbaciousT wrote:


Which hand is that?

Look at the hand holding the plasma cannon. Half of it is just missing. It looks really awkward.

Oh yeah! I never noticed that. Its like its missing half the fingers. Still will definitely have one in my army though!

Green stuff, please!

 Crimson wrote:

 HerbaciousT wrote:


Which hand is that?

Look at the hand holding the plasma cannon. Half of it is just missing. It looks really awkward.

indeed, that looks truely slowed.

No thats the effect of repeated plasma fire, even in termy armour

I count all 4 fingers and a thumb

 wuestenfux wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
The dice gods will delight in killing plasma cannon using termies, maths says it's unlikely but we've all seen that happen many times.

Just last night I played a friend and killed five TH/SS termies with Bolter fire from one squad, it should not happen but it does.

Small arms fire kills Terminators. This is one way to deal with them.

1 squad rapid firing should kill 1 terminator.

7 bolters and 1 pistol (heavy and special both missed) is 15 shots, if 5 miss thats 10 hits half of which wounds making the terminators roll 5 saves at 2+, law of averages says that unit survives mostly intact, but the dice gods willed otherwise!!!

Sadly he made every 3+ save the following turn when my cultists unleaded everything they had at his sternguard squad.

The dice gods giveth and taketh away.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Plasma is certainly good vs several armies such as Marines of all color.
However, plasma can bounce off vs some armies like Necrons or hordes. Recently, I played in an RTT with my Necrons, 1850 pts, vs. IG with 3 Executioners giving in total 3 plasma cannon shots per turn. My 15 Wraiths made it quickly across the board to rip his IG (with the help of flyers, Immortals, and ABs) into pieces. Plasma didn't really help.

it should have been 9 shots per turn.... ur opponent obviously had no idea what he was doing and i assume his lack of knowledge about the army detrimented his playing ability accordingly

 Somedude593 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Plasma is certainly good vs several armies such as Marines of all color.
However, plasma can bounce off vs some armies like Necrons or hordes. Recently, I played in an RTT with my Necrons, 1850 pts, vs. IG with 3 Executioners giving in total 3 plasma cannon shots per turn. My 15 Wraiths made it quickly across the board to rip his IG (with the help of flyers, Immortals, and ABs) into pieces. Plasma didn't really help.

it should have been 9 shots per turn.... ur opponent obviously had no idea what he was doing and i assume his lack of knowledge about the army detrimented his playing ability

Yeah, this is what I meant, 3 plasma cannons per Executioner. It can be devastating against some armies (like a drop podded SW army landing in front of the IG army at said RTT) and it can bounce off against others.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Somedude593 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Plasma is certainly good vs several armies such as Marines of all color.
However, plasma can bounce off vs some armies like Necrons or hordes. Recently, I played in an RTT with my Necrons, 1850 pts, vs. IG with 3 Executioners giving in total 3 plasma cannon shots per turn. My 15 Wraiths made it quickly across the board to rip his IG (with the help of flyers, Immortals, and ABs) into pieces. Plasma didn't really help.

it should have been 9 shots per turn.... ur opponent obviously had no idea what he was doing and i assume his lack of knowledge about the army detrimented his playing ability

Yeah, this is what I meant, 3 plasma cannons per Executioner. It can be devastating against some armies (like a drop podded SW army landing in front of the IG army at said RTT) and it can bounce off against others.

What he meant is that the Executioner isn't a plasma cannon, it lays down 3 plasma templates by itself. Throw in 2 extra cannons and that's 5 S7 AP2 templates a turn per tank. That's 15 small blasts a turn if he has 3, which is enough to put a dent in even a horde force.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Somedude593 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Plasma is certainly good vs several armies such as Marines of all color.
However, plasma can bounce off vs some armies like Necrons or hordes. Recently, I played in an RTT with my Necrons, 1850 pts, vs. IG with 3 Executioners giving in total 3 plasma cannon shots per turn. My 15 Wraiths made it quickly across the board to rip his IG (with the help of flyers, Immortals, and ABs) into pieces. Plasma didn't really help.

it should have been 9 shots per turn.... ur opponent obviously had no idea what he was doing and i assume his lack of knowledge about the army detrimented his playing ability

Yeah, this is what I meant, 3 plasma cannons per Executioner. It can be devastating against some armies (like a drop podded SW army landing in front of the IG army at said RTT) and it can bounce off against others.

What he meant is that the Executioner isn't a plasma cannon, it lays down 3 plasma templates by itself. Throw in 2 extra cannons and that's 5 S7 AP2 templates a turn per tank.

My opponent at the RTT had Executioners with heavy bolter sponsons and a lascannon. The other option, two plasma cannon sponsons would have been scarier, but I guess he wanted variety.

That model is cool.

If I didn't despise most SM terminators (and my complete inability to pain light colours) GW might have had a sale on their hands.

Oh well, I'll just buy more guard

 wuestenfux wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
The dice gods will delight in killing plasma cannon using termies, maths says it's unlikely but we've all seen that happen many times.

Just last night I played a friend and killed five TH/SS termies with Bolter fire from one squad, it should not happen but it does.

Small arms fire kills Terminators. This is one way to deal with them.

but now that DA deathwing knights are T5 2+/3++ it might be best to just tarpit them and move on to other things.

 Anpu42 wrote:
I count all 4 fingers and a thumb

He has two and half fingers and a thumb.

 Crimson wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
I count all 4 fingers and a thumb

He has two and half fingers and a thumb.

You need to realy blow up the picture to see them.
There are three on the "Grip"
One on the Trigger
and the thumb over the top of the other 3 fingers.

it looks a little wonky becouse of the Guantlent, they are there.

 wuestenfux wrote:

Fluffwise I actually thought the Deathwing would get some form of Plasma Blasters (essentially twin-linked plasma guns), like the old Captain of the Ultramarines 1st company had. But I'll take a Plasma Cannon, thank you very much.

Plasma guns for the DA Termies? Ouch. This would be a bit too much. But yeah, combi-plasma would have been fluffy too.

I meant having a Plasma Blaster as the squad special weapon or Sergeant-only option actually, not to replace Storm Bolters as a basis. But then again, I always wondered about the lack of variety of heavy weapons, especially anti-tank ones, on a platform that is notable for it's ability to let a user move and fire a heavy weapon.

For instance, an autocannon, or lascannon.

I never let things like "Codex XYZ Only" stop me. Rule of cool trumps R.A.W. Make it and take it, I say. Heck, I had Termie & Bike Apothicaries before they were ever an actual upgrade.

I actually forgot until looking at the Deathwing Apothecary that Termi and Bike-mounted Apothecaries have existed since 2nd edition.

 Breotan wrote:
I never let things like "Codex XYZ Only" stop me. Rule of cool trumps R.A.W. Make it and take it, I say. Heck, I had Termie & Bike Apothicaries before they were ever an actual upgrade.

If you're not expecting to be allowed to use illegal combinations in pick-up or tournament games, the advice is fine. Making a Terminator Apothecary model and clarifying with your opponent that he doesn't actually function as an Apothecary because you can't legally take one in a Codex: Space Marines army is more acceptable than taking options your Codex isn't permitted and claiming it's okay because it's cooler.

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Off topic; that guy doesn't appear to be carrying any ammunition... Every other Plasma Cannon has feeds running to an external ammunition block (usually on the wielder's back). =P

That and his firing arm is going to get burned off by the discharge from the Plasma Coils (the green things)