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**Arthas367**

Deathwing terminators are 220 for 5, 220 for the next 5, can take a heavy weapon per 5, have inner circle which is fearless and PE: Chaos, split fire, vengeance strike (which twin links the units, guns on the ds) and deathwing assault which allows for choice of wether to ds on turn one or two decided by player in secret on a per unit basis

**Sephyr**

Do they have a table of their own psyker powers? If so, can we get a small description?

So far, it seems a step above CSM but not close to breaking the IG/Necron supremacy.

**Arthas367**

Naa only one and only Ezekiel has it being mindworm, though he's a 145 pts ML 3 psyker that has mindworm and has to take his 2 additional powers from a few other trees including divination, but no bio, also his relic grants +1 ws in 6, not sure what his weapons do, could just be cool named and mastercrafted like last ed for all I know, mindworm is focused witchfire, str4 ap2 d3 shots 12' range, ignores cover model wounded by it, get like -3 ws, bs, and like int permanently, I for one can't wait to get him on the field again love the model to death

**AlmightyWalrus**

Vladsimpaler wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Vladsimpaler wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Vladsimpaler wrote:
ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Welp.

DA: 14 point tac marines with ATSKNF and Stubborn.

CSM: 13 point marines with nothing.

Seems par for the course but that's what happens when you get a crappy codex.
Let's not forget that Inner Circle grants Preferred Enemy: Chaos and that there is a Warlord Trait that reduces the AP of weapons against Chaos models by 1. I'm really glad I'm not playing Chaos this edition because my friend's Dark Angels would just take them to town and I doubt that I'd even have a chance.

If only Chaos had some sort of way to get a bonus against all loyalist Space Marines...

Yeah too bad it only works on the first turn of close combat and we have to pay for it, unlike them where it always works and it doesn't increase their points...nice try though.

If only Chaos had some way of having their ability work against more than one Codex...

Durrr if only it didn't rely on being in close combat

If only there were some sort of Special Character that guaranteed that you'd get Preferred Enemy against loyalists...

The point is, stop complaining, you've got nice stuff of your own. We get it; you don't like the Chaos Codex. You've made your point.

**SavageRobby**

TimmyTheNerd wrote:
I'm wondering if anything in my collection is no longer legal, as it was legal under the old codex but I haven't seen the new one yet.

NOTE: I am aware my army isn't all that great, but I mostly went for looks over what it can do so yeah. >_>;

HQ's
Company Master with Power Sword (AoBR Captain)
Company Master with Power Sword and Combi-Plasma (DV)
Librarian (DV)
Interrogator-Chaplain with Plasma Pistol (DV Limited Edition)
5 Man Command Squad with Company Champion, 1 Veteran with Power Weapon and Plasma Pistol, 1 Veteran with just a Plasma Pistol (DA Veterans Kit)

Elites
5 Man Deathwing Terminator Squad, 1 Terminator with Chainfist, 1 Terminator with Assault Cannon (DV)
5 Man Deathwing Terminator Squad, 1 Terminator with Assault Cannon (AoBR Termie Squad, Assault Cannon from Veteran Kit)
Dreadnaught with Multi-Melta (AoBR)

Troops
10 Man Tactical Squad, 1 with Plasma Cannon, 1 with Plasma Gun, Sergeant has Plasma Pistol (DV)
10 Man Tactical Squad, 1 with Missile Launcher, 1 with Flamer. (AoBR)
5 Man Scout Squad, 4 with Sniper Rifles, Sergeant has a Bolt Pistol and Power Fist (Sniper Scout Kit, Bolt Pistol and Power Fist from Veteran Kit)
<The site lists Scouts as troops in the DA section, so I'm assuming they've been moved from elites to troops>

Fast Attack
3 Man Ravenwing Bike Squadron, 1 with Plasma Gun. All bikes have twinlinked bolterguns (DV)

I haven't seen anything yet that makes any of that illegal. I'd be really surprised if any of the DV stuff was suddenly illegal, since its the current starter yet. (FWIW, I have a bunch of DV stuff, and some AoBR, too.)

**Arthas367**

People are never happy with this game unless their marines cost 13 pts, have relentless, fearless, bp/ccw, and counter atk. Everyone gets their things, csm has an above average flyer, that roasts entire squads, a steal of a choice in autocannon havocs and spawn and myriad other cool things

**ZebioLizard2**

Arthas367 wrote:
People are never happy with this game unless their marines cost 13 pts, have relentless, fearless, bp/ccw, and counter atk. Everyone gets their things, csm has an above average flyer, that roasts entire squads, a steal of a choice in autocannon havocs and spawn and myriad other cool things

I would've accepted a cheap, assault vehicle so I can actually use my melee chaos troops.

**Sephyr**

Arthas367 wrote:
People are never happy with this game unless their marines cost 13 pts, have relentless, fearless, bp/ccw, and counter atk. Everyone gets their things, csm has an above average flyer, that roasts entire squads, a steal of a choice in autocannon havocs and spawn and myriad other cool things

Why yes, that's eaxctly what I ordered! I'll take six of those.

Or maybe some bike/termi troops, guided deep strikes, ATSKNF and Combat Squad for 1 point, access to Divination, multiple viable builds and 2+cover save skimmer. Now I wonder where I find that...oh wait.

So far, it seems really good to me. The writer at least had the guts to outline a few concepts and fill them out in term of rules and capabilities.

**Quintinus**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

If only there were some sort of Special Character that guaranteed that you'd get Preferred Enemy against loyalists...

The point is, stop complaining, you've got nice stuff of your own. We get it; you don't like the Chaos Codex. You've made your point.

Gee whiz, a 265 point character who according to some people can't even join a marked squad! Gee willickers Batman.

Yeah our "nice" stuff is a 265 point character. Seems legit. And obviously I haven't made my point well enough if you're doing this hahaha

P.S. You're whining in your signature.

Also Sephyr, your signature has never been more true. Looking over all the anti-Chaos stuff, not only we are punished for using a lackluster book in the first place, but then they come out with a book that gets bonuses against it. Gotta love it.

In Warhammer 40K, you're expected to pay cash out of your pocket for the privilege of having Marines and IG trample all over your Xenos/Chaos.

**Puscifer**

Just a couple of questions...

1) How much are the options for DW squads?

2) How much is Belial?

3) How much are Crusaders?

**Arthas367**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Arthas367 wrote:
People are never happy with this game unless their marines cost 13 pts, have relentless, fearless, bp/ccw, and counter atk. Everyone gets their things, csm has an above average flyer, that roasts entire squads, a steal of a choice in autocannon havocs and spawn and myriad other cool things

I would've accepted a cheap, assault vehicle so I can actually use my melee chaos troops.

That I could get behind, I'm not certain why their transports / vehicles were just so plain and loyalist (besides the fiends) I guess the traitors still care what the mechanicum think....../sarcasm

**AlmightyWalrus**

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Gee whiz, a 265 point character who according to some people can't even join a marked squad! Gee willickers Batman.

Yeah our "nice" stuff is a 265 point character. Seems legit. And obviously I haven't made my point well enough if you're doing this hahaha

P.S. You're whining in your signature.

I'm not derailing threads about other Codices to constantly whine about how GW nerfed Black Templars. Sure, it's there in my signature, but I'm not actively steering the discussion away from Dark Angels.

As for the nice stuff, where's the Marks of Loyalists then?

**generalchaos34**

Arthas367 wrote:
People are never happy with this game unless their marines cost 13 pts, have relentless, fearless, bp/ccw, and counter atk. Everyone gets their things, csm has an above average flyer, that roasts entire squads, a steal of a choice in autocannon havocs and spawn and myriad other cool things

I think people were looking at the previous release of Necrons and Grey Knights and were hoping that they would be able to top the cheese, not realizing that GW wanted to avoid the Fantasy Chaos fiasco and actually balanced out their new books a little for the new edition...at least for a little while, plus everyone loves being the "ive been playing this army for years even when they were bad, you guys are just flavor of the month players!" so lets keep hoping for the next round!

**Quintinus**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Vladsimpaler wrote:

Gee whiz, a 265 point character who according to some people can't even join a marked squad! Gee willickers Batman.

Yeah our "nice" stuff is a 265 point character. Seems legit. And obviously I haven't made my point well enough if you're doing this hahaha

P.S. You're whining in your signature.

I'm not derailing threads about other Codices to constantly whine about how GW nerfed Black Templars. Sure, it's there in my signature, but I'm not actively steering the discussion away from Dark Angels.

As for the nice stuff, where's the Marks of Loyalists then?

Their 6 different codices.

**Arthas367**

Puscifer wrote:
Just a couple of questions...

1) How much are the options for DW squads?

2) How much is Belial?

3) How much are Crusaders?

1) standard costs on heavy weapons, 5 pts on th/ss, BA dexcosts are fairly similar on nator options

2) 190

3) no clue ain't used the things for a whole edition, so didn't even bother looking into it

**Puscifer**

Arthas367 wrote:
Puscifer wrote:
Just a couple of questions...

1) How much are the options for DW squads?

2) How much is Belial?

3) How much are Crusaders?

1) standard costs on heavy weapons, 5 pts on th/ss, BA dexcosts are fairly similar on nator options

2) 190

3) no clue ain't used the things for a whole edition, so didn't even bother looking into it

Thanks.

Finally...

Do DW Command get the option to take TH/SS?

**Arthas367**

Puscifer wrote:
Arthas367 wrote:
Puscifer wrote:
Just a couple of questions...

1) How much are the options for DW squads?

2) How much is Belial?

3) How much are Crusaders?

1) standard costs on heavy weapons, 5 pts on th/ss, BA dexcosts are fairly similar on nator options

2) 190

3) no clue ain't used the things for a whole edition, so didn't even bother looking into it

Thanks.

Finally...

Do DW Command get the option to take TH/SS?

Yup +5 pts, they also can take those sweet banners, and the ws 5 champion with the wreck face weapon

**Puscifer**

Wreck face weapon? Ok... that sounds a bit awesome.

Thanks again.

**ZebioLizard2**

generalchaos34 wrote:
Arthas367 wrote:
People are never happy with this game unless their marines cost 13 pts, have relentless, fearless, bp/ccw, and counter atk. Everyone gets their things, csm has an above average flyer, that roasts entire squads, a steal of a choice in autocannon havocs and spawn and myriad other cool things

I think people were looking at the previous release of Necrons and Grey Knights and were hoping that they would be able to top the cheese, not realizing that GW wanted to avoid the Fantasy Chaos fiasco and actually balanced out their new books a little for the new edition...at least for a little while, plus everyone loves being the "ive been playing this army for years even when they were bad, you guys are just flavor of the month players!" so lets keep hoping for the next round!

Eh, most don't care about about that, most care that its bland, unoriginal, with many options that aren't actual options that aren't even close to being competitive, and did nothing to fix the last codex's issues.

**hivetyrant765**

ive got a lot of questions, but i'll keep them to myself. only one i really want answered is:

how much is sammael?

**Arthas367**

hivetyrant765 wrote:
ive got a lot of questions, but i'll keep them to myself. only one i really want answered is:

how much is sammael?

If memory serves 200 on the nose, and tons better

**JbR of the Endless Spire**

Are there any upgrades for normal troops to get PE:Chaos? And does that extend to daemons too?

**barnowl**

SavageRobby wrote:
TimmyTheNerd wrote:
I'm wondering if anything in my collection is no longer legal, as it was legal under the old codex but I haven't seen the new one yet.

NOTE: I am aware my army isn't all that great, but I mostly went for looks over what it can do so yeah. >_>;

HQ's
Company Master with Power Sword (AoBR Captain)
Company Master with Power Sword and Combi-Plasma (DV)
Librarian (DV)
Interrogator-Chaplain with Plasma Pistol (DV Limited Edition)
5 Man Command Squad with Company Champion, 1 Veteran with Power Weapon and Plasma Pistol, 1 Veteran with just a Plasma Pistol (DA Veterans Kit)

Elites
5 Man Deathwing Terminator Squad, 1 Terminator with Chainfist, 1 Terminator with Assault Cannon (DV)
5 Man Deathwing Terminator Squad, 1 Terminator with Assault Cannon (AoBR Termie Squad, Assault Cannon from Veteran Kit)
Dreadnaught with Multi-Melta (AoBR)

Troops
10 Man Tactical Squad, 1 with Plasma Cannon, 1 with Plasma Gun, Sergeant has Plasma Pistol (DV)
10 Man Tactical Squad, 1 with Missile Launcher, 1 with Flamer. (AoBR)
5 Man Scout Squad, 4 with Sniper Rifles, Sergeant has a Bolt Pistol and Power Fist (Sniper Scout Kit, Bolt Pistol and Power Fist from Veteran Kit)
<The site lists Scouts as troops in the DA section, so I'm assuming they've been moved from elites to troops>

Fast Attack
3 Man Ravenwing Bike Squadron, 1 with Plasma Gun. All bikes have twinlinked bolterguns (DV)

I haven't seen anything yet that makes any of that illegal. I'd be really surprised if any of the DV stuff was suddenly illegal, since its the current starter yet. (FWIW, I have a bunch of DV stuff, and some AoBR, too.)

All legal but one and a few got better. The only one that I think was not legal is the Champion as he has a special weapon.

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JbR of the Endless Spire wrote:
Are there any upgrades for normal troops to get PE:Chaos? And does that extend to daemons too?

Not that I saw and is Chaos marines only. (Got to read the Codex to night at the local shop, have to say it is pretty balanced but run better foot hordes than vanilla).

**Arthas367**

JbR of the Endless Spire wrote:
Are there any upgrades for normal troops to get PE:Chaos? And does that extend to daemons too?

No only codex chaos marines units, and no but I would imagine, a inner circle member would confer it so Ezkiel and Azreal can lend some more distance to bromen

**Lobokai**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Welp.

DA: 14 point tac marines with ATSKNF and Stubborn.

CSM: 13 point marines with nothing.

Um, so you're starting a rank and file model or two behind in a standard match? Who cares? I don't think this is going to unbalance anything. My Crimson Tide CSM force feels up and ready to any DA force (Bring it on DoubleWing). That being said, my 3K RW force is ecstatic with the update.

**conker249**

Did cypher make it into the codex?

**ZebioLizard2**

Lobukia wrote:
ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Welp.

DA: 14 point tac marines with ATSKNF and Stubborn.

CSM: 13 point marines with nothing.

Um, so you're starting a rank and file model or two behind in a standard match? Who cares? I don't think this is going to unbalance anything. My Crimson Tide CSM force feels up and ready to any DA force (Bring it on DoubleWing). That being said, my 3K RW force is ecstatic with the update.

To gain an upgrade to a weaker equivalent of ATSKNF you need to pay for an icon, which puts you up to +1 point for a full 10 group and means you forgo any other icon. ATSKNF is also vastly better and yet it is the equivalent of a +1 upgrade, including stubborn?

I mean I have DA still, so this doesn't bother me much there to much, since I can just use them, but at this point it feels like I need to shelve my CSM once again.

**marv335**

Cypher is only in the codex as fluff.
He is not a playable character.

Also,
Mortis is in, 120pts, may be venerable.

**captain collius**

conker249 wrote:
Did cypher make it into the codex?

think about now go look at gws website.

**conker249**

captain collius wrote:
conker249 wrote:
Did cypher make it into the codex?

think about now go look at gws website.

Knew he was in the collectors part before the codex release. Didn't know if GW would bring him out of retirement as a suprise. Worth a shot