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Can we really put a price on the safety of kids at schools?
There is something deeply wrong with a society that feels the need to post armed guards at schools.
Why? Children aren't worth as much as your everyday bank?
Money and property are far more valuable then lives.
Not sure if serious
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Can we really put a price on the safety of kids at schools?
There is something deeply wrong with a society that feels the need to post armed guards at schools.
Why? Children aren't worth as much as your everyday bank?
Have you ever entrusted a kid with your money?
What if we changed the banking codes and made our children the vaults for money, and hired armed guards to protect the money and the kids.
You clearly don't have children. If you did you would know you do just that. You're in the involuntary bailiff for their money, temporarily holding "their" cash...
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Frazzled wrote: You clearly don't have children. If you did you would know you do just that. You're in the involuntary bailiff for their money, temporarily holding "their" cash...
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On a serious note, banks have armed guards because money is important.
Kids are infinitly more important than money. Why shouldn't we have armed guards for our kids?
Now its not practical to have armed guards for children all the time, but having it at school where they spend most of their time away from their parents makes sense.
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Frazzled wrote: You clearly don't have children. If you did you would know you do just that. You're in the involuntary bailiff for their money, temporarily holding "their" cash...
International Bank of Dad
Considering I just cut a check for $11 large for a year's dorm for the boy you bet your ass I sure feel like it.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
1. Initial reports suggested multiple shooters, police sweeps of the woods near the schools, multiple suspects detained. What happened to that?
2. The shooter's weapons. Lots and lots of contradiction there ranging from 2-4 handguns, a long gun in the trunk, to just the AR-15 and a shotgun in the trunk...
1. Initial reports during a crisis are always wrong. In many people's mind that many shots must = more than one shooter. Of course the cops swept the surrounding area, they would be incompetent not to have. Of course there were 'multiple suspects detained'. It is standard in a hostage situation that when you do the take down you cuff EVERYONE until you can clear them. You don't know who is a perp and who is not during the take down.
2. Again, initial reports are always wrong. Local reporters interviewing confused people before the crime scene is even processed isn't going to give you The Truth.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
1. Initial reports suggested multiple shooters, police sweeps of the woods near the schools, multiple suspects detained. What happened to that?
2. The shooter's weapons. Lots and lots of contradiction there ranging from 2-4 handguns, a long gun in the trunk, to just the AR-15 and a shotgun in the trunk...
1. Initial reports during a crisis are always wrong. In many people's mind that many shots must = more than one shooter. Of course the cops swept the surrounding area, they would be incompetent not to have. Of course there were 'multiple suspects detained'. It is standard in a hostage situation that when you do the take down you cuff EVERYONE until you can clear them. You don't know who is a perp and who is not during the take down.
2. Again, initial reports are always wrong. Local reporters interviewing confused people before the crime scene is even processed isn't going to give you The Truth.
For example, the police response to the Columbine shooting was clumsy because of reports of 7 gunmen in the school and a sharpshooter on the roof. Or if you wanna see something more modern, look at that hostage crisis in Algeria that is going on right now. No news source has a clear picture of what's going on.
grayshadow87 wrote: HOLY COW! Are you sure that's a mosquito? It has to be fake. It's Alaskan propaganda to prove how tough they are. It has to be. I bet there's not even an Alaska.
VERY real.
Luckily, that don't last that long since it doesn't stay warm enough long enough (at least at the coasts... not sure how it's like more mainland).
Why? Children aren't worth as much as your everyday bank?
Financially? No. Maybe once they get to a certain age and there is a certain degree of investment in them as commodities, sure. But young children can be quickly, and cheaply, replaced. We could even speed up the process by outsourcing production to countries with high birth rates.
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Frazzled wrote: You clearly don't have children. If you did you would know you do just that. You're in the involuntary bailiff for their money, temporarily holding "their" cash...
International Bank of Dad
Considering I just cut a check for $11 large for a year's dorm for the boy you bet your ass I sure feel like it.
Oh, quit yer bitchin. You know damned well you could have just packed him off to the Army if you really wanted to.
Frazzled wrote: You clearly don't have children. If you did you would know you do just that. You're in the involuntary bailiff for their money, temporarily holding "their" cash...
International Bank of Dad
Considering I just cut a check for $11 large for a year's dorm for the boy you bet your ass I sure feel like it.
Oh, quit yer bitchin. You know damned well you could have just packed him off to the Army if you really wanted to.
"So, do you like the color green?"
"wha?"
"Green. Do you hate staying in your own place and really want to live with a lot of other people, like a commune, but with everyone wearing green?"
"Mom! Dad's being weird again!"
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: "So, do you like the color green?"
"wha?"
"Green. Do you hate staying in your own place and really want to live with a lot of other people, like a commune, but with everyone wearing green?"
"Mom! Dad wants me to be a hippy again!"
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Frazzled wrote: You clearly don't have children. If you did you would know you do just that. You're in the involuntary bailiff for their money, temporarily holding "their" cash...
International Bank of Dad
Considering I just cut a check for $11 large for a year's dorm for the boy you bet your ass I sure feel like it.
Oh, quit yer bitchin. You know damned well you could have just packed him off to the Army if you really wanted to.
"So, do you like the color green?"
"wha?"
"Green. Do you hate staying in your own place and really want to live with a lot of other people, like a commune, but with everyone wearing green?"
"Mom! Dad's being weird again!"
Very funny... speaking of which, thought you'd enjoy this:
Now that's an awesome catapault... better think about grabbing this, since it may go on the new "ban-list" soon.
Yea thats like a young TBone there. TBone's record with me was having me stop at 70. Now he can do a short one or two, then its time to get on the sofa and rest (unless there's a snack of course). Thats pretty badass for having cancer and congestive heart failure.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Monster Rain wrote: I don't know why the elitism in this post took me so off guard.
I'm a little surprised at you, seb.
I don't get the elitism. The NRA ad is, frankly, deranged. You don't need to be within the bounds of the USA to know that because of that ad and other stuff the NRA is nutty. Hell, you can be a gun rights group situated within the USA itself and think the NRA is nutty.
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Monster Rain wrote: You're right, they aren't targets of violence. Right up until they are. Hence the topic of this thread.
Everyone could, theoretically, be a target of violence. Simply noting a bad thing might happen and paying no consideration to the probability that it will leads to nonsense thinking.
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Grey Templar wrote: On a serious note, banks have armed guards because money is important.
No, they have armed guards because bank robberies have been a regular thing for a couple of hundred years. And by putting an armed guard at a bank it considerably increases the risk the bank robber won't get what he wants - away with the money.
Whereas putting an armed guard in a school doesn't really change that much. The nut will still be able to walk freely to the first classroom and open fire, and will likely still get to a second or third room before any response by the armed guard. And the risk of the guard taking him down, do you really think that's going to change the nutters decision to attack - it was a suicide mission from the get-go anyway.
Kids are infinitly more important than money. Why shouldn't we have armed guards for our kids?
Because the risk is still incredibly small. Just because a thing is shown on the news doesn't make it a thing that happens all the time.
I mean, this is just why the gun debate is just so god damned fething ridiculous. Everyone carrying on as if school shooting constitute more than an incredibly trivial portion of murders with firearms. The stat that really matters is the 10,000 killed by firearms every year.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
While most of it is is pure unbridled crazy it is asking questions I'm two questions confused about and would like clarified.
1. The weapons Seriously, how many times can that change? MSNBC even had a correction that stated the shooter used multiple pistols, and there was footage of a long gun being pulled from a trunk of a car. That sort of thing. Coroner said the Bushmaster AR was the primary weapon so I'm inclined to go with him, but the story got juggled enough that it was like "wat" 2. Second Shooter This was all over initial reports complete with footage of cops sweeping the woods. The hell happened with that?
Cached page for the United Way Support fund, again dating three days prior.
Similarly, this guide on how to talk to your kids about the tragedy written by the Crisis Management Institute appears to have been uploaded before it ever happened
Photoshop is of course a thing, and no I couldn't really be bothered to go through and check those exhaustively. Why? Because I don't wear tin foil and subsist only on spam and paranoia. I'm sure one of your internet sleuths will be able to blow this particular sack of crazy open, but till then... it is kinda odd innit?
sebster wrote: Whereas putting an armed guard in a school doesn't really change that much. The nut will still be able to walk freely to the first classroom and open fire, and will likely still get to a second or third room before any response by the armed guard. And the risk of the guard taking him down, do you really think that's going to change the nutters decision to attack - it was a suicide mission from the get-go anyway.
If that were the case, a lot more of these guys would duke it out with the cops rather than offing themselves as soon as the police start moving in, as...pretty much all of them, I think?...have.
Why aren't you arming your children? Stand up for their second amendment rights!
Plus it is private citizens looking out for their own protection and not having to raise taxes to pay for more police/security in schools. A win win for all freedom loving Americans everywhere.
Well, I did get son2 a rifle for Chritmas last year, and ammo this year. And daughter LOVES to go shooting, started with BB guns and has now fired a couple of our .22 rifles and a 9mm pistol.
But to really address your point, much like driving a car or registering to vote, there are age requirements for owning a fire arm, buying a fire arm and carrying a fire arm. Most school kids just are not old enough.
Having said that, if a teacher has a carry permit, I see no reason they should not be able to carry at school oif the desire.
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SilverMK2 wrote: Why aren't you arming your children? Stand up for their second amendment rights!
Plus it is private citizens looking out for their own protection and not having to raise taxes to pay for more police/security in schools. A win win for all freedom loving Americans everywhere.
I had a 20 gauge shotgun and 30-30 rifle in my closet by the time I was 14. I was quite experienced with both of them by that point.
My children, all 3 of them, will be introduced to firearms when I determine they're age appropriate for it. If they want, I will buy fire arms for their use as I also determine is appropriate.
Responsible parenting, something that I will be doing, and not something I appreciate your mockery on.
SilverMK2 wrote: Why aren't you arming your children? Stand up for their second amendment rights!
Plus it is private citizens looking out for their own protection and not having to raise taxes to pay for more police/security in schools. A win win for all freedom loving Americans everywhere.
I had a 20 gauge shotgun and 30-30 rifle in my closet by the time I was 14. I was quite experienced with both of them by that point.
My children, all 3 of them, will be introduced to firearms when I determine they're age appropriate for it. If they want, I will buy fire arms for their use as I also determine is appropriate.
Responsible parenting, something that I will be doing, and not something I appreciate your mockery on.
^This.
It's really not that different when teaching your kids to drive... it's an awesome resposibility... but, if they don't respect it, they can kill someone or themselves.
As always I do my best to bring you some more of the very best of crazy:
(snip garbage) Photoshop is of course a thing, and no I couldn't really be bothered to go through and check those exhaustively. Why? Because I don't wear tin foil and subsist only on spam and paranoia. I'm sure one of your internet sleuths will be able to blow this particular sack of crazy open, but till then... it is kinda odd innit?
In 2013, in the era of google and snopes, posting stuff like this is making a concious choice to be ignorant, and then posting it on dakka while shrugging your hands as if you are helpless in this; is just... ridiculous, really. You should probably couch this is a more "hey, look at these stupid people, lets laugh at them" tone.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I had never heard of John Lott before your post, the guy you said was disreputable? I just looked him up, and.... wow, man. How does a clown like that even make it on the news? God, the media really is awful in this country.
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sebster wrote: Everyone could, theoretically, be a target of violence. Simply noting a bad thing might happen and paying no consideration to the probability that it will leads to nonsense thinking...
What a cop out.
The point is, places that you have to send your children to, under penalty of law in some cases, should be more secure than they are. Yes, life is a risk. There are certain instances where it is reasonable to mitigate that as much as possible.
sebster wrote: Because the risk is still incredibly small. Just because a thing is shown on the news doesn't make it a thing that happens all the time..
So why use this incident as a catalyst for gun control? You know, since it's such a remote probability of it happening and all.
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sebster wrote: Because the risk is still incredibly small. Just because a thing is shown on the news doesn't make it a thing that happens all the time..
So why use this incident as a catalyst for gun control? You know, since it's such a remote probability of it happening and all.
Because the US has a much larger amount of gun related crimes in comparison to the rest of developed nations.
It's true, and it's bad, but you can't say that the odds of something happening are incredibly remote with the status quo and at the same time use that same incident as an excuse to push a political agenda.
That said, I don't have a real problem with Obama's proposals, other than the magazine and assault weapon bans. The NRA is being pretty stupid about that whole thing.
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Gun Control isn't an overnight sensation, it has been building over time since the last bubble of interest burst. It wasn't like there haven't been calls for it for the last decade or so, but the recent events (not just Sandy Hook) has motivated more people out of apathy and into action, enough that actual political action is feasible on the side of those who think we can do more to decrease gen deaths. I think a lot of the ideas are good, such as better background checks and having more research into causes. I still doubt, though, that we want to really deal with other things, like blaming Hollywood while simultaneously giving them every reason to believe we want the content.
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