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I only have one question to ask here: what's with all praising of Nazism in the last few years?

I must admit that as far as WW2 goes I totally dig German military and technology ( being how I am literally in love with war stuff and I totally adore German Tanks and Panzergrenadiers, I dig Armageddon and Krieg because of this ), but this is as far as I go. Their ideology, dogma and the things they did in concentration camps disgust me. I know that others are not less guilty ( Stalin killed his entire army stuff and Japanese terrorized Chinese and others ) but as far as WW2 goes Germans have committed the greatest crimes against Humanity in that war, killing others just because they were of different 'race'?

You would think that people would learn their lesson from this, but as far as I seen they have learn nothing. Nationalism in our country is great and our members are using Hitler's "Main Kampf" as a reference to their ideology, our neighbours too. They go as far as using their flags and greetings. Then there is one of my friends who is constantly arguing with me that WW2 Germans didn't do any crimes at all, that all that happened in camps and genocide was all Jewish plan. Going as far as saying that UN are under Israel command, same goes for blue helmets.

Then there was incident in our 40k group where one guy posted a picture of Dred with swastika all over it, he was confused on why everybody were displeased with his miniature and why everyone criticize him. And when admin removed his picture he argued how we know nothing and how we don't tolerate other people's opinion and taste. I am sorry, but how can we tolerate something that is connected to such disgusting part of our modern history? That would be like posting a picture of Bin Laden in New York art gallery ( while praising him as freedom fighter ) some 50 years from now and wondering why is everyone arguing with you.

I don't know why people are returning to this all of a sudden? Didn't they learn nothing in school or in history classes? I am guessing that victims of that war are very pleased with this, not to mention those who survived concentration camps...

What is everybody's opinion on this?

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
I only have one question to ask here: what's with all praising of Nazism in the last few years?

I must admit that as far as WW2 goes I totally dig German military and technology ( being how I am literally in love with war stuff and I totally adore German Tanks and Panzergrenadiers, I dig Armageddon and Krieg because of this ), but this is as far as I go. Their ideology, dogma and the things they did in concentration camps disgust me. I know that others are not less guilty ( Stalin killed his entire army stuff and Japanese terrorized Chinese and others ) but as far as WW2 goes Germans have committed the greatest crimes against Humanity in that war, killing others just because they were of different 'race'?

You would think that people would learn their lesson from this, but as far as I seen they have learn nothing. Nationalism in our country is great and our members are using Hitler's "Main Kampf" as a reference to their ideology, our neighbours too. They go as far as using their flags and greetings. Then there is one of my friends who is constantly arguing with me that WW2 Germans didn't do any crimes at all, that all that happened in camps and genocide was all Jewish plan. Going as far as saying that UN are under Israel command, same goes for blue helmets.

Then there was incident in our 40k group where one guy posted a picture of Dred with swastika all over it, he was confused on why everybody were displeased with his miniature and why everyone criticize him. And when admin removed his picture he argued how we know nothing and how we don't tolerate other people's opinion and taste. I am sorry, but how can we tolerate something that is connected to such disgusting part of our modern history? That would be like posting a picture of Bin Laden in New York art gallery ( while praising him as freedom fighter ) some 50 years from now and wondering why is everyone arguing with you.

I don't know why people are returning to this all of a sudden? Didn't they learn nothing in school or in history classes? I am guessing that victims of that war are very pleased with this, not to mention those who survived concentration camps...

What is everybody's opinion on this?

Time to break out the Mosin and lie down in a slit trench. Bring it Hitlerites! For the Motherland!

Well as a fact the NAZI symbol was actually taken from one of the Eastern Religious symbols of peace and prosperity (and I also think it was justice as well), this is the one with the 4 arms.
Also the Golden Eagle was taken from Ancient Rome.
I'm like you though. I respect the Germans in their tactics, their engines and their commanders. But the fact that they committed genocide because they believed Christianity was the one true religion and the Jews were less than human is disgraceful and should be regarded with disgust.
Just as a side have any of you figured out that Buddhism is really the only older religion I think of that hasn't started a war.

I give it... 2 pages. 3, tops.

This is not a sudden thing.

In particular Anti Semitism has been around for many years preceding the rise of Hitler and the NSDAP programme. In Europe in particular Jews have been scapegoated for many centuries. As have other elements of society, including gypsies.

Nationalism and race hate has been a fixture of some Eastern European thinking since before the War. Post WW2 it could be argued that nothing really changed, some peoples perceptions may have hardened further.

It is easy for certain individuals and groups to latch onto NSDAP/Hitlerite ideals, particularly, as is now, in times of financial hardship. (one of the many reasons Hitler was able to start his rise to power). Times of distress and hardship make it easy for hate propaganda to spread. Coupled with entrenched thinking and views it makes it easy for radical aspects to appear.

As for adding swastikas to minis, the connotations of that symbol are clear, regardless of it's history pre Hitler. Just feel pity for the guy and enlighten others. Some opinions you cannot change.

As others have, said, the events of that particular part of human history are not unique. During the first crusade, I believe, the Templars gathered every single Jewish inhabitant, forced them into a synagogue and burned it to the ground, killing anyone who escaped. The shocking part of WWII was the incredibly elaborate way in which it occurred.

Also, I'm sad to say, it is their political belief. Even if we don't agree, it doesn't make it illegal. When it becomes militant, of course, but punishing people for their beliefs is so remarkably similar to their ideology it has an almost ironically cruel twist. You can try to show them otherwise, but again, it's their beliefs.

However, I have to agree with Mr. Burning. Even though it's a free forum, it is in the rules that inflammatory or offensive images are not allowed, and the general interpretation of the Swastika isn't the most positive...

 baxter123 wrote:
Well as a fact the NAZI symbol was actually taken from one of the Eastern Religious symbols of peace and prosperity (and I also think it was justice as well), this is the one with the 4 arms.
Also the Golden Eagle was taken from Ancient Rome.
I'm like you though. I respect the Germans in their tactics, their engines and their commanders. But the fact that they committed genocide because they believed Christianity was the one true religion and the Jews were less than human is disgraceful and should be regarded with disgust.
Just as a side have any of you figured out that Buddhism is really the only older religion I think of that hasn't started a war.

Not really.
Japan - Zen Buddhism....
What is the hand of one hand clapping? SLAP!

Considering the depression led to the rise of Nazism and helped spread communisim in Europe, I'm not surprised.

 baxter123 wrote:
. But the fact that they committed genocide because they believed Christianity was the one true religion and the Jews were less than human is disgraceful and should be regarded with disgust.

Just reread this thread.

The genocide wasn't down to Christianity (You can argue that historic religious intolerance planted one of many seeds). Jews were indeed viewed as subhuman- and not Germanic- The genocide of Jews, and others came about through a fairly convoluted process.

I think the mistake many make is to think of ‘Nazism’ as a unique event in human history. Regimes with a similar pattern of behavior to the Nazis have been a relatively regular occurrence in history. Not all of them wielded the sort of power that the Nazis did and so thankfully where often largely confined to their own borders, but ultra nationalist, xenophobic and authoritarian governments have cropped up time and time again. Even today there are more than a few.

 LuciusAR wrote:
I think the mistake many make is to think of ‘Nazism’ as a unique event in human history. Regimes with a similar pattern of behavior to the Nazis have been a relatively regular occurrence in history. Not all of them wielded the sort of power that the Nazis did and so thankfully where often largely confined to their own borders, but ultra nationalist, xenophobic and authoritarian governments have cropped up time and time again. Even today there are more than a few.

Zimbabwe comes to mind

I think Nazis just used Christianity for political purposes. They called theirs Positive Christianity to promoted racial purity and nationalism. Hitler wanted to replace religion and god with his views and and him as the figure head. Nazis were very much into the Occult to be mainstream Christian.

 chaos girl wrote:
I think Nazis just used Christianity for political purposes. They called theirs Positive Christianity to promoted racial purity and nationalism. Hitler wanted to replace religion and god with his views and and him as the figure head. Nazis were very much into the Occult to be mainstream Christian.

Whilst there are incidences, the occult card is over hyped. particularly with regards to Himmlers hunt for the origins of the Aryan race.

The Nazis did usurp common myths and folklore, much like others have and continue to do so.

The NSDAP views on religion changed over time. Hitler invoked gods name in certain speeches and alluded to the divine rights of the German race.

There have been many other types of genocide, many of which where condoned by either god or government.
That thing that makes the Holocaust so horrific is it was almost machine like. It was meticulous in its doing. Names where recorded.
And pertaining to the symbol, yes it used to be a holy symbol meaning peace, that doesn't matter anymore. It is now a symbol meaning you think you are superior. Those who do wear it and try to pass it off as "Zen Budda" crud are just trying incite rage and seem smarter then others when they point out what it means before hitler.
Now, I'm off to do my Germen homework, Why they heck do you guys have two different versions of the word "you"?

Modern Nazi's tends to have little in common with the NSDAP (beyond the most basic aspects of 'we hate these guys cause they're not us and we should purge them). Most often, you find that racist groups in countries around the world (US, Russia, Mongolia) take up the symbols and the 'ideology' of the Nazi party and simply use it to enhance their own racist beliefs.

Take American Nazism. It's almost about hating African-American's more than Jews. It isn't about the German Aryan, as much as Anglo-Saxon 'Aryan.' In Russia, they define Aryan as ethnic-Russian, the opposite of what the NSDAP would espouse.

The two don't have as much in common as might be believed. Really this is more about taking up a history that backs up their cause, than about the cause itself. They take Nazism's ideas and transfer them to their own 'struggle' adapting at as need be to suit their needs.

Hence how you end up with Mongolian and Russian Nazis.

 LordofHats wrote:
Modern Nazi's tends to have little in common with the NSDAP (beyond the most basic aspects of 'we hate these guys cause they're not us and we should purge them). Most often, you find that racist groups in countries around the world (US, Russia, Mongolia) take up the symbols and the 'ideology' of the Nazi party and simply use it to enhance their own racist beliefs.

Take American Nazism. It's almost about hating African-American's more than Jews. It isn't about the German Aryan, as much as Anglo-Saxon 'Aryan.' In Russia, they define Aryan as ethnic-Russian, the opposite of what the NSDAP would espouse.

The two don't have as much in common as might be believed. Really this is more about taking up a history that backs up their cause, than about the cause itself. They take Nazism's ideas and transfer them to their own 'struggle' adapting at as need be to suit their needs.

Hence how you end up with Mongolian and Russian Nazis.

Well said. A marriage of convenience then?

In my reading yes. You'll also note that US Nazism had its biggest explosion during the Civil Rights movement. A direct reaction to the push for equal rights by the actual target of American Nazi's at the time, though of course we here in the US of A aren't unfamiliar to antisemitism either. These days its usually about anyone who isn't a native born White American (or a Jew. Can't be a nazi and not hate them I guess)

I and no one else should care about the symbol or the word unless the intent was to proclaim or shed favorable light on the holocost.

When I see it, I simply see everything except the holocost.

The Swastika and the word Nazi also represents the well educated thousands who flocked to elect Hitler and follow his followers. These turned Hitlers musings (often ill directed ramblings) into actions and law.

Not including the opportunists who saw the NSDAP as a stepping stone to further their own aims

The harsh fact is that these people always exist and will flock to an ideal that suits them. As we all do.

Didn't I read somewhere that there are some Israeli extremists who have the hots for Hitler?; I'll have to search.

Nope http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/10/israel.internationalcrime Russian emigrees to Israel. A very odd sack of beans indeed.

"The tragic irony in this is that they would have been chosen for annihilation by the Nazis they strive to emulate." The ADL said that the phenomenon appeared to be marginal and was more a reaction to anti-Russian discrimination in Israel.

Irony indeed.

Another article http://www.opinion-maker.org/2012/12/israeli-nazis/
I don't know the authors history to check his views but it's an interesting read.

The potential for extremism and extreme xenophobia exists everywhere.

The NSDAP got into power predominantly by appealing to the forgotten and deeply impoverished agrarian class of Germans. Last time I checked, the Common Agrigultural Policy was busy stuffing farmers' mouths with money, so I think we should be okay.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

 LuciusAR wrote:
I think the mistake many make is to think of ‘Nazism’ as a unique event in human history. Regimes with a similar pattern of behavior to the Nazis have been a relatively regular occurrence in history. Not all of them wielded the sort of power that the Nazis did and so thankfully where often largely confined to their own borders, but ultra nationalist, xenophobic and authoritarian governments have cropped up time and time again. Even today there are more than a few.

Zimbabwe comes to mind

The Catholic Church comes to mind.

 GalacticDefender wrote:

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

 LuciusAR wrote:
I think the mistake many make is to think of ‘Nazism’ as a unique event in human history. Regimes with a similar pattern of behavior to the Nazis have been a relatively regular occurrence in history. Not all of them wielded the sort of power that the Nazis did and so thankfully where often largely confined to their own borders, but ultra nationalist, xenophobic and authoritarian governments have cropped up time and time again. Even today there are more than a few.

Zimbabwe comes to mind

The Catholic Church comes to mind.

Indeed made infamous by their rounding up of millions of protestants and gassing them?

i) anti-semetism was rife at the time. Did this have a good reason other than good old sectarianism?

ii) When I was in school ~14 years ago the holocaust was estimated to be 6million dead as a result. Now its 6 million jews + misc others whom we don't really hear about.

iii) I'm completely against Israeli occupation. It was/is a stupid idea and frankly if the whole place was rendered radioactive by a nuke for 100 years it might give everyone time to chill the feth out.

iv) poverty/recession = rise in extremes.

 baxter123 wrote:
Well as a fact the NAZI symbol was actually taken from one of the Eastern Religious symbols of peace and prosperity (and I also think it was justice as well), this is the one with the 4 arms.
Also the Golden Eagle was taken from Ancient Rome.
I'm like you though. I respect the Germans in their tactics, their engines and their commanders. But the fact that they committed genocide because they believed Christianity was the one true religion and the Jews were less than human is disgraceful and should be regarded with disgust.
Just as a side have any of you figured out that Buddhism is really the only older religion I think of that hasn't started a war.

To claim that the Nazis were any sort of Christian is disingenious. It was a severe perversion of Christian values that could not in any way be called what it used to be.

IIRC Hitler was fond of a bled of old Norse religion with some Christian things thrown in.

 Spyral wrote:

 GalacticDefender wrote:

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

 LuciusAR wrote:
I think the mistake many make is to think of ‘Nazism’ as a unique event in human history. Regimes with a similar pattern of behavior to the Nazis have been a relatively regular occurrence in history. Not all of them wielded the sort of power that the Nazis did and so thankfully where often largely confined to their own borders, but ultra nationalist, xenophobic and authoritarian governments have cropped up time and time again. Even today there are more than a few.

Zimbabwe comes to mind

The Catholic Church comes to mind.

Indeed made infamous by their rounding up of millions of protestants and gassing them?

i) anti-semetism was rife at the time. Did this have a good reason other than good old sectarianism?

ii) When I was in school ~14 years ago the holocaust was estimated to be 6million dead as a result. Now its 6 million jews + misc others whom we don't really hear about.

iii) I'm completely against Israeli occupation. It was/is a stupid idea and frankly if the whole place was rendered radioactive by a nuke for 100 years it might give everyone time to chill the feth out.

iv) poverty/recession = rise in extremes.

The Catholic Church opressed Europe for centuries. They burned people at the stake for believing different ideas than theirs, they rejected all new ideas, and they held back our technology for over 2 centuries. They church was every bit as evil as the Nazis. The numbers have probably been lost to time, but the number of people executed by the Catholic church easily numbers in the millions, and in many cases they were executed in the absolute most brutal way imaginibale(Arguably. But fire would be a terrible way to go). Think of how many people that could have otherwise been progressive "renaissance men" that were killed by the Catholic Church.

The Japanese were just as evil as the Nazis. It was so messed up that the soldiers were instructed to "Use local provisions" when in China. Yes, they ate people, after raping them to death with bayonets.

And anyone who tries to say otherwise is trying to censor history to make themselves feel better for being human.

 GalacticDefender wrote:

 Spyral wrote:

 GalacticDefender wrote:

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

 LuciusAR wrote:
I think the mistake many make is to think of ‘Nazism’ as a unique event in human history. Regimes with a similar pattern of behavior to the Nazis have been a relatively regular occurrence in history. Not all of them wielded the sort of power that the Nazis did and so thankfully where often largely confined to their own borders, but ultra nationalist, xenophobic and authoritarian governments have cropped up time and time again. Even today there are more than a few.

Zimbabwe comes to mind

The Catholic Church comes to mind.

Indeed made infamous by their rounding up of millions of protestants and gassing them?

i) anti-semetism was rife at the time. Did this have a good reason other than good old sectarianism?

ii) When I was in school ~14 years ago the holocaust was estimated to be 6million dead as a result. Now its 6 million jews + misc others whom we don't really hear about.

iii) I'm completely against Israeli occupation. It was/is a stupid idea and frankly if the whole place was rendered radioactive by a nuke for 100 years it might give everyone time to chill the feth out.

iv) poverty/recession = rise in extremes.

The Catholic Church opressed Europe for centuries. They burned people at the stake for believing different ideas than theirs, they rejected all new ideas, and they held back our technology for over 2 centuries. They church was every bit as evil as the Nazis. The numbers have probably been lost to time, but the number of people executed by the Catholic church easily numbers in the millions, and in many cases they were executed in the absolute most brutal way imaginibale(Arguably. But fire would be a terrible way to go). Think of how many people that could have otherwise been progressive "renaissance men" that were killed by the Catholic Church.

The Japanese were just as evil as the Nazis. It was so messed up that the soldiers were instructed to "Use local provisions" when in China. Yes, they ate people, after raping them to death with bayonets.

And anyone who tries to say otherwise is trying to censor history to make themselves feel better for being human.

The Catholic Church tried to take political control over Europe for centuries. They never had an active program of extermination where a specific group of people were rounded up, tortured and killed. You could argue the Muslims were targeted in this fashion but it was not so much a hatred of them for them as a hatred of them not being us. All religions have had this attitude in the past. As far as I know, the Church never rounded up every Muslim (and their descendants) and threw them in camps to be slaughtered in an organized, state supported and funded fashion. Muslims could convert to Christianity. The Nazis never offered the Jews such a chance.

The Japanese did terrible things, yes. Terrible things that shouldn't be ignored.

Your assertion that anyone that disagrees with you is wrong is a flawed argument. Example: If you disagree with me, you are a troll and shouldn't be listened to. See how this works? Anyone can make that statement without any real backing.

As for Hilter, he was an incompetent military strategist, a master orator and a very hate filled man. He led his country into ruin and got an entire generation of people killed and then some. Reapplying his ideals is only going to repeat history... again.

Why the recent rise in Nazism?

Because history DOESN'T repeat.


It just rhymes with itself a lot.

ALL of this has happened before, and will happen again. It's a design flaw and I'd get onto the manufacturer about it.

There is a difference to Catholicism and Nazism though, and that is change. The Catholic religion has done terrible things and Romans did equally terrible things to them when St.peter's followers were a minority and so and so forth. Today though, you don't see many Catholics burning people at the torch and have become a peaceful organization that wishes to forget the skeletons in the closet. Nazism today is still very anti-everything not white christian, and are still based on anger and aggression.

Perhaps Nazism seems more popular today (not sure if it is) is because many of the people who fought them and experienced the war are dead. Maybe we see Hitler's powerful war machine, but forget just how dark and brutal that machine was. "lest we forget" comes to mind.

Plus, people always blame the Jewish community when things are bad.

TheCustomLime wrote:


As for Hilter, he was an incompetent military strategist, a master orator and a very hate filled man. He led his country into ruin and got an entire generation of people killed and then some. Reapplying his ideals is only going to repeat history... again.

The fact we should remember is that without support Hitler would just just be a surname on the bottom of some very poor paintings. A man who could be noted only for a failed attempt at a putsch.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

TheCustomLime wrote:


As for Hilter, he was an incompetent military strategist, a master orator and a very hate filled man. He led his country into ruin and got an entire generation of people killed and then some. Reapplying his ideals is only going to repeat history... again.

The fact we should remember is that without support Hitler would just just be a surname on the bottom of some very poor paintings. A man who could be noted only for a failed attempt at a putsch.

Well, he started out as a pretty good leader, being one of the first countries to put restrictions on smoking, helping bring the country out of poverty. Many other leaders thought he was a good guy and they even had the Olympics in Germany during his reign.

Then he went crazy and started a war with everybody at once.

Which really shows how blind people were. His book was quite revealing, a best seller even, and yet somehow nobody saw WW2 coming

 Mr Nobody wrote:

 Mr. Burning wrote:

TheCustomLime wrote:


As for Hilter, he was an incompetent military strategist, a master orator and a very hate filled man. He led his country into ruin and got an entire generation of people killed and then some. Reapplying his ideals is only going to repeat history... again.

The fact we should remember is that without support Hitler would just just be a surname on the bottom of some very poor paintings. A man who could be noted only for a failed attempt at a putsch.

Well, he started out as a pretty good leader, being one of the first countries to put restrictions on smoking, helping bring the country out of poverty. Many other leaders thought he was a good guy and they even had the Olympics in Germany during his reign.

Then he went crazy and started a war with everybody at once.

He was never a good leader. ever see the party speech where he states he doesn't have a plan for Germany. What he had was people in place who would listen to his ramblings and then act on them. He didn't write anything down, his subordinates did what they thought 'the will of the fuhrer' was, but since Hitler believed in a kind of Darwinism he set departments against each other.

Look up the T-4 programme to see what a good leader he was in the early years. Actually look up T-4 to see how easy it was to implement.

In reality other leaders thought they could appease him, with the great war fresh in their minds.