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**Ouze**

I think, generally speaking, those dudes don't know anything. I hope you're right though.

**MetalOxide**

Ouze wrote:
I think, generally speaking, those dudes don't know anything. I hope you're right though.

He is the store manager and does go up to GW HQ quite regularly
if that adds any credibility...

**hellpato**

Sometime DakkaDakka is worst than a basket full of snake. But is not my point. Can someone can give me one reason to buy WD. For now for me, WD is like just pictures and nothing else.

**jah-joshua**

Davor wrote:
pretre wrote:
I understand that 'hit them in the pocketbook' is the conventional wisdom, but do we have any anecdotal evidence that that has ever worked?

Put it this way. Is there an OFFICIAL GW forum? No there is not. Why? Because GW doesn't like the negativity going on. So yes complaining does work. GW solution though? Ignore and make sure nobody reads it. So OFFICIAL forums are gone now.

So you can see how GW handles things.

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undertow wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
Like how GW thinks that its perfectly reasonable for me to go get a $700 ipad, then pay $5.99 for the flyer rules, just so I have access to the dakkajet rules. I bet that goes really well when little timmy explains that to his mom when he wants to his DakkaJet.

GW doesn't expect you to purchase an iPad just to get the rules for the DakkaJet, the digital products are there for people that already have an iPad. I like how you chose one of the highest prices possible for an iPad to illustrate your point. They can be found much cheaper than that, especially if you go with the previous model.

Go for a previous model? Are you serious? I am sure it was said that the previous models don't work and you NEED the CURRENT model for it to work.

i have the first generation iPad, and all of the products work just fine on mine, books, codex, and mag....
so, no, you do not need the current model to get the flyer rules...
that would be insane...

cheers
jah

**clively**

MetalOxide wrote:
Ouze wrote:
I think, generally speaking, those dudes don't know anything. I hope you're right though.

He is the store manager and does go up to GW HQ quite regularly
if that adds any credibility...

Unfortunately it doesn't, but there is always hope.

**mtnoyster**

I'm just the casual poster on here, nothing really that important, but I felt I had to say Ouze's 10 reasons to read WD was the funniest gak I have seen on here! Loved it.

**infinite_array**

hellpato wrote:
Sometime DakkaDakka is worst than a basket full of snake. But is not my point. Can someone can give me one reason to buy WD. For now for me, WD is like just pictures and nothing else.

Functional Illiteracy?

**RiTides**

mtnoyster wrote:
I'm just the casual poster on here, nothing really that important, but I felt I had to say Ouze's 10 reasons to read WD was the funniest gak I have seen on here! Loved it.

I thought so too

(click "exalt this post" below it if you want to make it more likely for others to see it)

**SabrX**

Panic wrote:
yeah,
I concur
The Sisters rules made people happy.

You are kidding, right?

**azazel the cat**

Ouze wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Is there any reason to read a WD two weeks after release anymore?

1.) You live in a silo with guns, beans, and cats. There is no internet, but there is regular mail delivery.
2.) You have brain damage like that guy in Memento, and can only remember things from the last 2 weeks. All the stuff in WD is new when you read it.
3.) You are the mother of one of the writers, and he or she is doing so well, you'd like to pitch in.
4.) 2 more issues, and you'll be able to straighten the couch on both sides.
5.) The new glossy paper really makes your paper-mache masks pop.
6.) You're trying to hook up with a wargamer, so need them to lay casually on your coffee table in case he or she ever drops by.
7.) If you gather 250 consecutive issues of White Dwarf, and burn them atop a pyre of Citradel spray guns, legend has it Gwar will appear and answer a single rules-related question.
8.) You have extreme photophobia, and the light from an ipad or monitor causes intense pain. You can only read magazines by dim candlelight.
9.) Every time there's a picture of Matt Ward, you cut out his face, cross out his eyes with a red pen, and paste it into the ledger. Soon... soon.
10.) Like GW's executive staff, you're pretty sure this "internet thing" will blow over soon, and want something to read when that happens.

Take the easiest exalt I've ever handed out.

**Fafnir**

jah-joshua wrote:
given all the extra functionality of an iPad, i don't understand this argument about only buying an iPad to read GW products...
you can play fun video games, surf the net, email, watch movies, listen to music, AND have cool interactive ebooks, along with a whole lot more...
the touch screen is awesome, an it's a lot more portable than a laptop, while being much bigger than a cellphone (better to see the pretty pictures)...
why do most posters seem to miss, or not care, that the iPad is so much more than an ereader???

Because not everyone wants an iPad in the first place.

**H.B.M.C.**

Fafnir wrote:
Because not everyone wants an iPad in the first place.

"That's not true! That's impossible!" - Luke Skywalker, iPad enthusiast

**Makaleth**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fafnir wrote:
Because not everyone wants an iPad in the first place.

"That's not true! That's impossible!" - Luke Skywalker, iPad enthusiast

Well played... Ironically though, didn't they have fake tablets at some point in the SW movies (or am I remembering that wrong)

**Kingsley**

I think putting rules in WD proved to be a mistake in 3rd edition and would be happy to see it go away, though another quick flyer update would probably go over well with the community, especially if it gave some much-needed love to the aging Tau or Eldar.

I know that the Stormtalon and Dakkajet certainly made many appearances on local tables when they came out!

**H.B.M.C.**

What about the 3rd Ed rules in WD were a mistake, in your opinion?

I think that they got far too casual with Chapter Approved and started using it as a safety net for anything that needed fixing after a Codex release, but it did have its upsides (variant lists!).

**Kingsley**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
What about the 3rd Ed rules in WD were a mistake, in your opinion?

I think that they got far too casual with Chapter Approved and started using it as a safety net for anything that needed fixing after a Codex release, but it did have its upsides (variant lists!).

There were just too many of them. It became very difficult to keep track of what all was going on, and while the Chapter Approved compilation books helped this to an extent, they also caused confusion and increased the amount of discrepancies between different events and stores.

The list variants, while cool, also promoted the "special snowflake syndrome" that led to a lot of rules bloat in 3.5e. Not every chapter needs a set of custom rules-- in most cases using characterful options in game will serve fine for this while also making the game easier to understand for opponents.

For instance, the current Codex: Space Marines does a fine job of portraying armies from most loyalist chapters despite having far fewer custom rules. If Captains with Jump Packs or Terminator Armor made Assault Marines or Terminators troops and Chapter Tactics could be taken as an upgrade for normal characters (or maybe only Captains and Chapter Masters), things would be just about perfect.

**Scipio Africanus**

nkelsch wrote:
The issue is people complain about GW but still support them in droves by buying stuff. The only way GW will change is for people to walk away. Pirating doesn't prove to them their model,is bad, you still buy the models, and they still make a product you are consuming even illegally.

If a company makes it hard or impossible to purchase their product you simply do without and walk away. Don't consume it. Don't buy the rules, don't use the rules, don't buy the models, just walk away. Give your money to someone who operates In a way to get your business. Don't break the law and your integrity to fall over yourself to continue giving Gw your money, especially when they don't care about you.

Continuing to buy the plastic crack and complain about it doesn't encourage change... And Gw doesn't sell stock with every model, so owning their product gives you zero ownership in the company as much as customers seem to feel like they always deserve to be catered to.

They think they have a monopoly on the wargames industry.

People aren't willing to move onto other games systems to prove its not true.

**SagesStone**

Wasn't the change to the this current version meant to add content to it?

Glad I saw through that crap and continued not to bother with it.

**H.B.M.C.**

n0t_u wrote:
Wasn't the change to the this current version meant to add content to it?

Anyone who read the first issue could've told you that was untrue...

**SagesStone**

Find me someone who had so that I may ask them.

**H.B.M.C.**

I have the first issue. I'm glad I did not buy it (a friend got it for me).

**illuknisaa**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fafnir wrote:
Because not everyone wants an iPad in the first place.

"That's not true! That's impossible!" - Luke Skywalker, iPad enthusiast

If I'm not mistaken you only need itunes for viewing gw's ibook stuff and itunes is free and works on windows.

Maybe somebody with a pc and gw digital stuff could try if they work with just itunes.

**sarduka42**

illuknisaa wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fafnir wrote:
Because not everyone wants an iPad in the first place.

"That's not true! That's impossible!" - Luke Skywalker, iPad enthusiast

If I'm not mistaken you only need itunes for viewing gw's ibook stuff and itunes is free and works on windows.

Maybe somebody with a pc and gw digital stuff could try if they work with just itunes.

Unfortunetly its not true. Whilst you can buy the Games workshop rule books and white dwarfs through itunes, you can only read them on an iPad (not even an iPhone)

**H.B.M.C.**

Plus iTunes is a virus, and should never be installed on any system.

**Fafnir**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus iTunes is a virus, and should never be installed on any system.

I was just about to say the exact same thing myself. Word for word.

**Ravenous D**

illuknisaa wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fafnir wrote:
Because not everyone wants an iPad in the first place.

"That's not true! That's impossible!" - Luke Skywalker, iPad enthusiast

If I'm not mistaken you only need itunes for viewing gw's ibook stuff and itunes is free and works on windows.

Maybe somebody with a pc and gw digital stuff could try if they work with just itunes.

Yeah when you look up the book or rules it says "requirements" which you need an ipad with iOS 5 or higher, and iBook 2 installed.

**Scipio Africanus**

Fafnir wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus iTunes is a virus, and should never be installed on any system.

I was just about to say the exact same thing myself. Word for word.

Immature apple bashing is immature.

We're here to bag on white dwarf. Save your "Im a peecee enthoosiast" attitude for another forum.

**pretre**

SabrX wrote:
Panic wrote:
yeah,
I concur
The Sisters rules made people happy.

You are kidding, right?

I am very happy with the SOB WD codex. I'm not happy that I had to make my own PDF from my copy but oh well.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Plus iTunes is a virus, and should never be installed on any system.

I lol'd.

**CaptKaruthors**

Well, there is that other game that has made this method incredibly successful. What was it? I can't quite place the name. W... Wa...

feth it.

GW used to do this before. They were called datafaxes and they came with their vehicles, dreadnoughts, and bikes in 2nd Edition. It isn't a new concept.

**Flashman**

Did anyone note the very subtle change in GW preview policy today?

WoC have been confirmed as being released on a Friday as opposed to Saturday (through the WD announcement on the main page).

What are they thinking?! Surely showing us Dragon Ogres a day early will kill sales?