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Maybe a learning curve from the delivery issues of the first wave so they have tried to cut down on single miniatures? It may also be because the minis are delivered in baggies of mixed models so they are trying to cut down on the hassle?

That said this is Mantic, email them with a request and they will probably sort it for you. I just think they are hoping that not many people do.

Well, looks like there's a poll over on the mantic forums for it now:
http://forum.manticblog.com/showthread.php?7125-Would-you-be-willing-to-wait-for-hard-plastic-Forge-Fathers-and-Asterians

Checking that poll out now, thanks Squig! Normally I'd actually be in the camp of wanting my stuff faster, as I really haven't had any issues or mold lines that have bothered me in restic (again, except the nightmare that is the Sister set). However, as busy as I am with work, I still haven't even put together everything from shipment 1: so I can wait, and if I get improved product from waiting longer, hell, I'd be an idiot not to.

Nearly 30 votes and a 4:1 split in favour of hard plastic. As a non mantic forum member I will be joining just to put my two penneth in. I hope as many people as possible vote to get the sample size up. Has the link been put up on the Kickstarter page?

To hell with a poll, if Mantic haven't realised by now that their manure to plastic ratio is still not working they deserve to suffer the financial consequences.

I've put my 2 coppers worth in. Would much rather have HP.

Widdershinz wrote:
Does anyone have any of the Antenociti stuff? I wasn't expecting it to be available second time round, so now I'm tempted. Is it good value for money for skirmish game scatter terrain, or am I better off spending my money on Micro Art stuff or the like?

At the KS prices its very good value for money - we're about to launch the retail packs of Deadzone scenery and they'll cost a fair bit more than the KS prices.

Take look here for what one chap has done with his so far: http://myevergrowingfleets.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/more-deadzone-terrain-and-antenocitis.html

I'm not sure what the poll is supposed to do, but I may register to put in my vote for sooner rather than later.

Joyboozer wrote:
To hell with a poll, if Mantic haven't realised by now that their manure to plastic ratio is still not working they deserve to suffer the financial consequences.

So Mantic made mention early on that they were going to TRY to get the Asterians and FFs in hard plastic. They didn't promise that it WOULD happen, only that they would TRY. It comes down to the second survey and hard plastic wasn't an option with how long it took to get the zombies the way they want (which are awesome, by the way, as is the popular opinion on here). So with their deadlines, they tell us that what they hoped for just wasn't going to be possible, and offer a refund to anyone who put money in on that hope already (remember, people put forth money on something that wasn't PROMISED in any given material, so a refund is NOT a requirement as any company could easily tell customers they knew what they were getting themselves into). Mantic did not do this-they offered refunds in order to keep on their scheduled deadline with no false promises. Now, some enterprising young chap (or possibly old and crotchety, whatever) decided to post a poll on Mantic's site, trying to show them how many people are willing to wait in order for them to make their hopes into a promise, instead of the lesser choice happening on time.

TL;DR-next time you want to make a manure-post, think about the subject you're upset with. Mantic does have screw ups to answer for. This isn't one of them. Pick your battles better next time.

@ttw: While I agree with 95% of what you said, they did say they were making hard plastic FF/Ast:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-the-sci-fi-miniatures-board-game/posts/543729

"Good news ladies and gentlemen – we’re going to be producing hard plastic sprues for the Enforcers, Asterian Cyphers and Forge Father Forge Guard!"

Of course, they have offered refunds for anyone who pledged just because of that, so I'm okay with the reversal.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
To hell with a poll, if Mantic haven't realised by now that their manure to plastic ratio is still not working they deserve to suffer the financial consequences.

So Mantic made mention early on that they were going to TRY to get the Asterians and FFs in hard plastic. They didn't promise that it WOULD happen, only that they would TRY. It comes down to the second survey and hard plastic wasn't an option with how long it took to get the zombies the way they want (which are awesome, by the way, as is the popular opinion on here). So with their deadlines, they tell us that what they hoped for just wasn't going to be possible, and offer a refund to anyone who put money in on that hope already (remember, people put forth money on something that wasn't PROMISED in any given material, so a refund is NOT a requirement as any company could easily tell customers they knew what they were getting themselves into). Mantic did not do this-they offered refunds in order to keep on their scheduled deadline with no false promises. Now, some enterprising young chap (or possibly old and crotchety, whatever) decided to post a poll on Mantic's site, trying to show them how many people are willing to wait in order for them to make their hopes into a promise, instead of the lesser choice happening on time.

TL;DR-next time you want to make a manure-post, think about the subject you're upset with. Mantic does have screw ups to answer for. This isn't one of them. Pick your battles better next time.

Hopefully they've learned from this little experience as well. Tell everyone Restic and then, later if they're able to go plastic they're suddenly the 2nd coming of Christ when they announce a bump up in material rather than creating a false hope in the minds of backers in the obvious attempt to drag in more money during the middle of a Kickstarter by mentiong "hard plastic!". They knew people would jump on it and buy it and anyone can tell you that most people will forget the "try" part in all the excitement. There's no reason at all to even mention it if you're not going to do it, unless you have a reason....

 timetowaste85 wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
To hell with a poll, if Mantic haven't realised by now that their manure to plastic ratio is still not working they deserve to suffer the financial consequences.

So Mantic made mention early on that they were going to TRY to get the Asterians and FFs in hard plastic. They didn't promise that it WOULD happen, only that they would TRY. It comes down to the second survey and hard plastic wasn't an option with how long it took to get the zombies the way they want (which are awesome, by the way, as is the popular opinion on here). So with their deadlines, they tell us that what they hoped for just wasn't going to be possible, and offer a refund to anyone who put money in on that hope already (remember, people put forth money on something that wasn't PROMISED in any given material, so a refund is NOT a requirement as any company could easily tell customers they knew what they were getting themselves into). Mantic did not do this-they offered refunds in order to keep on their scheduled deadline with no false promises. Now, some enterprising young chap (or possibly old and crotchety, whatever) decided to post a poll on Mantic's site, trying to show them how many people are willing to wait in order for them to make their hopes into a promise, instead of the lesser choice happening on time.

TL;DR-next time you want to make a manure-post, think about the subject you're upset with. Mantic does have screw ups to answer for. This isn't one of them. Pick your battles better next time.

I did, did you?

 pretre wrote:
@ttw: While I agree with 95% of what you said, they did say they were making hard plastic FF/Ast:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-the-sci-fi-miniatures-board-game/posts/543729

"Good news ladies and gentlemen – we’re going to be producing hard plastic sprues for the Enforcers, Asterian Cyphers and Forge Father Forge Guard!"

Of course, they have offered refunds for anyone who pledged just because of that, so I'm okay with the reversal.

I must have missed that update and must hang my head in shame. All I ever saw was "try" in the past, and most people on here mentioning they were going to try for it. Whelp, I guess they should have picked their wording better: "Good news, guys! Chances are looking even better that these'll be in plastic. This is not yet set in stone, but as long as the zombies come back looking good, these'll happen in plastic." Problem solved.

Apologies, Joyboozer. Guess you can't believe everything you read on the 'Net!

 pretre wrote:
@ttw: While I agree with 95% of what you said, they did say they were making hard plastic FF/Ast:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-the-sci-fi-miniatures-board-game/posts/543729

"Good news ladies and gentlemen – we’re going to be producing hard plastic sprues for the Enforcers, Asterian Cyphers and Forge Father Forge Guard!"

Of course, they have offered refunds for anyone who pledged just because of that, so I'm okay with the reversal.

Crap. I just remembered that you wanted my fleabag riders and I've just sent them off to someone else today. Sorry, Pretre, I hope you weren't looking for more of them.

I didn't want fleabags. You sure you got the right guy? I ditched my whole KoW pledge. (Not because of quality, but because I had bought it for D&D minis and Reaper filled that in better.)

 pretre wrote:
I didn't want fleabags. You sure you got the right guy? I ditched my whole KoW pledge. (Not because of quality, but because I had bought it for D&D minis and Reaper filled that in better.)

Hmm.. Guess it wasn't you after all. Well, good I don't need to feel badly then.

I posted in that thread, for whatever it is worth!

Thanks for the link, SS!

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I thought the Plague Terraton was supposed to be purchasable by itself? I don't see that in the survey option. I mean, I'm buying bundles, for sure: I went in fairly lightly the first time around, so time to splurge now as I'm very impressed with what I've seen, but I'm still curious how it's missing.

I didn't see the Plague Teraton, The Plague Big Guy (1st Gen? 1A? Kraka-doom?), the plastic standard enforcers, or a couple of other things I would have bought. Oh well. Guess I'll just get them during a holiday sale next year, if I still feel like buying them by then.


Thanks, Mantic.

I'm not too upset by the news that the Asterians and FOrge Fathers won't be in hard plastic - I'll just save money now, and wait for them to show up in the Inevitable Warpath KS later this year.

Maybe there's a bit of a concept change too, for example, deciding that in warpath terms, the Cyphers would be somewhat less common than normal infantry, so it isn't a good idea to invest in both poly cement plastic for both.

Ditto for the Forge Guard, when they have normal infantry.

Forge guard are currently like 200 points for 5 with what I'm assuming is a standard game size of 2k and you can only take them in 5 strong units. Probably the most elite warpath unit ATM so restic tracks. Maybe the cyphers will be the same.

---Brainfart redacted---

Besides the fantastic pics posted in KS by Mantic, here's a little video I made about our work with the Asterians... I hope you'll enjoy it...

 carlos13th wrote:
Another person more than willing to wait for hard plastic over restic here. Dont care if its 6 months later tbh.

Also quite liked this comment on the kickstarter

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the songs of angry men
It is the music of a people
who will not buy restic again
When the beating of your heart
echoes the beating of the drums
there is a life about to start
when hard plastic comes

I'm guilty of that one. Comparing the restic revolt to the French revolution was so deliciously absurd that I couldn't resist.

I can't help that's more deserving of the Raging Heroes thread, though.

There's a Deadzone Demo game video out now, for people who haven't had a chance to see how the game works.

A few of the rules particulars are a rather... iffy, but it does give you a real sense of the game.

 MkultraStudios wrote:
Besides the fantastic pics posted in KS by Mantic, here's a little video I made about our work with the Asterians... I hope you'll enjoy it...

I was entirely too critical of your work the first time it was posted; I'm warming up to it. Also love your Questron logo and seeing the two old Archon characters making an appearance.

 Vermonter wrote:

 MkultraStudios wrote:
Besides the fantastic pics posted in KS by Mantic, here's a little video I made about our work with the Asterians... I hope you'll enjoy it...

I was entirely too critical of your work the first time it was posted; I'm warming up to it. Also love your Questron logo and seeing the two old Archon characters making an appearance.

Thanks for your praises , but, what were your critics for? I think that there's only three samples of our work in this forum... and I didn't see any comments from you (or any other negative comments) about it

Good eye with the Troll and the Knight from Archon!

 MkultraStudios wrote:
Thanks for your praises , but, what were your critics for? I think that there's only three samples of our work in this forum... and I didn't see any comments from you (or any other negative comments) about it

Hi MkultraStudios,

It's not worth searching for my first response. I have an unfortunate tendency to descend into stupid snark, and I rescind my earlier comments. I have one remaining constructive criticism - all my other critique has since been rethought and has mutated into praise.

Critique:

1. The Prime Asterian with the sword should guard himself with his shield as he readies his sword to strike; as it is, he's carelessly leaving himself open to attack. Solving this issue is just a matter of changing the pose. I do hope you'll consider this one, as that figure has a lot of potential.

Praise:

2. I had a critique about the integrated scenery with the flying Asterian, but I've completely rethought it. I really like the figure's composition with the rubble so much that I'd actually be happy if it stayed just as it is. Very nice work - I can tell you really spent time on that one.

3. Had a critique about figures aiming their guns, and rethought that too. You accomplished that handily - it's evident that most of the units are clearly aiming at specific targets. Good job.

4. The Gravbike is excellent!

5. Love the dynamism of the running Asterian. It gives the faction a shot of energy and is a nice contrast with the other figures. In fact, you might consider giving one or two of the other units more dynamic, action-oriented poses. The Asterians already look alike, so a few more varied poses helps enhance the group's visual interest. The majority should stay as they are, in my opinion.

Overall I like what you've done and look forward to seeing what you do with the remaining drone units. I worry a little bit about Mantic's intention to cast the figures you rendered in resin plastic, as the figures are on the thin side (as per the concept drawings you were given), which doesn't always turn out well when cast in that material. That production concern has nothing to do with you, and is not a criticism of your work.

I can't really explain my previous grouchiness - I don't drink or use drugs, so it must be old age creeping in.

Speaking of old age, I have many good memories of playing Archon on the C64 back in the day. Is the troll doing what I think it's doing?

 MkultraStudios wrote:
Besides the fantastic pics posted in KS by Mantic, here's a little video I made about our work with the Asterians... I hope you'll enjoy it...

Welcome to the forums, your digital sculpting is amazing, especially the work on Mars Attacks, it is brilliant.

Vermonter wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:
Another person more than willing to wait for hard plastic over restic here. Dont care if its 6 months later tbh.

Also quite liked this comment on the kickstarter

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the songs of angry men
It is the music of a people
who will not buy restic again
When the beating of your heart
echoes the beating of the drums
there is a life about to start
when hard plastic comes

I'm guilty of that one. Comparing the restic revolt to the French revolution was so deliciously absurd that I couldn't resist.

It's is yes. Made me smirk though.





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 MkultraStudios wrote:

 Vermonter wrote:

 MkultraStudios wrote:
Besides the fantastic pics posted in KS by Mantic, here's a little video I made about our work with the Asterians... I hope you'll enjoy it...

I was entirely too critical of your work the first time it was posted; I'm warming up to it. Also love your Questron logo and seeing the two old Archon characters making an appearance.

Thanks for your praises , but, what were your critics for? I think that there's only three samples of our work in this forum... and I didn't see any comments from you (or any other negative comments) about it

Good eye with the Troll and the Knight from Archon!

I personanlly said I don't have the same enthusiasm for them as I did for the original sketches. I pointed out there was nothing I could pin point as a reason for that and it may very well just be my disappointment with the quality of the models received so far rubbing off on my opinion of them. Others notes that if their are changes possibly they were likley nessecary in order to ensure they can actually be sculpted.

They still look nice but I don't have the same excitement for them I once did, espeically in light of mantic reversing their position on hard plastic.

Faeit 212 has some better pics of the Asterians up:






Still edited out of the video judging by the greenish artifacts, but a better extract and cleanup job than I did.