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You know that gak was made up later to explain the blooper, right?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
You know that gak was made up later to explain the blooper, right?

In the revised fourth draft of A New Hope in 1976, the description for "Kessel Run" is put as follows:

"It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs!"
Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation.

So it implies that the puzzling speech of Han Solo is "misinformation" and not truth, and it has nothing to do with the nature of the Kessel Run in any respect. Han means nothing other than impressing Obi-Wan and Luke with pure boasting. Indeed, even in the final version of the script, the parentheses attached to Han's line state that he is "obviously lying."

decker_cky wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
And don't cross the streams....that would be very bad.

That's a big twinkie....


Anyone who says Ghostbusters is bad science fiction deserves to be shot.

I'm guessing on the grounds that it's not science fiction?

That's right. It was a documentary.

 pretre wrote:

In the revised fourth draft of A New Hope in 1976, the description for "Kessel Run" is put as follows:

"It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs!"
Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation.

So it implies that the puzzling speech of Han Solo is "misinformation" and not truth, and it has nothing to do with the nature of the Kessel Run in any respect. Han means nothing other than impressing Obi-Wan and Luke with pure boasting. Indeed, even in the final version of the script, the parentheses attached to Han's line state that he is "obviously lying."

"Obviously lying" isn't the same as "speaking complete gobbledygook".

I was agreeing with you...

 Alpharius wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 sukura636 wrote:
I did the kesla run in 12 parsecs...

Ah, my least favourite line in Star Wars! I mean, the Parsec is a unit of distance, not time, so that's like saying 'I can run from here to Texas in 12 miles!'

Oh, but of course, this is not the plot hole we're looking for...

Or maybe Han knows a secret shortcut?

So, back on topic now, everyone, please?

Thanks!

Friday new stuff goodness

Not one to be left out, the Marauders are getting themselves a hulking mech suit as well… the Stuntbot!



An older variant of the ‘Strider’ template, the Bot is piloted by a highly trained Goblin. Their small stature and dextrous fingers more suited to the controls of these machines. Armed with powerful but crude weaponry, it is a brave soldier who takes one of these machines on one on one.

As is tradition with all things Marauder-y, the Stuntbot is armed to the teeth, with a close combat Buzzsaw, a Range 4 AP2 Single Shot Thermal Cannon and an auxiliary flamer. Because why not?



Unlike the Strider, the Stuntbot is a premium resin kit. It comes with many finely detailed components, our favorite of which is the hatch. Yes, you can lift the hatch up revealing the Goblin pilot inside!

Is the stuntbot actual resin then? The strider is 'premium
plastic', and the stuntbot is 'premium resin'. I didn't know Mantic did actual resin.

Times are a changin at Mantic perhaps?

I like the "clunkiness" and the big feet. Looks to be on a massive base too. Mantic have made one-off figures in resin for Kickstarter pledges before. Also aren't a few bits (enforcer biker sniper girl and Forge father iron ancestor arms) meant to be resin?

decker_cky wrote:
Is the stuntbot actual resin then? The strider is 'premium
plastic', and the stuntbot is 'premium resin'. I didn't know Mantic did actual resin.

Striders are restic because they expect high enough demand, on account of the same kit covering 3 armies.

The Stuntbot and Iron Ancestor are resin, as they're expected to be a low demand kit. Possibly the enforcer scout bike too?

They explained it during the survey period, it's why the Striders were suddenly 2 for 1 while the others weren't.

Mantic have always made resin... the quality of the stuff used for vehicle parts is a bit variable though. Not antenociti quality, closer to ramshackle tbh. It varies.

Current resin minis in their line are the upgrade sets for the FF and Marauder Warpath vehicles.

I also own a unit of resin forgefather stormrage veterans... they are gorgeous models that make me wonder why Mantic doesn't cast more of the expensive models in resin instead of metal or hybrid restic. The sculpts are so amazing before restic mushes them up a bit.

That stuntbot looks good. Very clunky. Doesn't look much taller than the Teraton.

We'll see how much it runs when they hit retail. I wonder if we might see them switch to restic for retail at some point further down the line.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I wonder if we might see them switch to restic for retail at some point further down the line.

I wonder that too. It might only be for a single army, but I get the impression that there are many Ork fans out there, since businesses like Kromlech cater to them almost exclusively. And we keep being told that "the Marauders starter was the first to sell out" at various events, which would seem to attest to that popularity.

I really like the Stuntbot's design: bulky but functional, straightforward rather than garish. And after modding the hell out of them, the Marauders have grown on me anyway. I'm glad I ordered one of these.

Now, since Asterians piloting Striders would be stupid, I'm really looking forward to seeing what sort of resin Mech they'll eventually get. Don't prove me wrong, Mantic.

Asterian Cyphers represent the height of Asterian technological elegance, moving with alien grace while dealing out death on enemy battlefields. But I'm here to tell you, larger Asterian Mechs royally suck. As brilliant, sophisticated, and ancient as the Asterians are, they are mentally incapable of designing large Mechs that work. Their last attempt looked like a ballerina with submachine guns. It had a void shield tutu.

So Asterians, like the Reb and Plague factions that they are so similar to, prefer to steal Enforcer Striders and re-purpose them with graceful yet deadly Asterian weaponry, like big stonking flamethrowers and cartoonishly large chainsaws.

They got bikes. Huh... yeah I wonder now what they may get too.

 Paradigm wrote:
Yeah, I'm not too fussed by the Asterian fluff, it adds a bit of character if there's a risk to the operator (otherwise, playing them in-character you'd not care about any kind of defence as there's always another drone available).

Or it would require Mantic stepping up and trying something new, like a new way to make their IP compelling, or a different angle for a player to take, or anything that isn't painfully stupid.

Besides, there can still be some serious stakes for an immortal drone operator without his life being on the line. Maybe if he screws this last chance up, they'll bump him down to creche-warden for one of the 'uplifted' races the Asterians barely tolerate in their role as plumbers and drainage-sweeps for the next 10,000 years. And forcibly remove his reproduction rights. Then assign his lifesoul mate to his High Creche bully, B'iif. And you just know B'iif's gonna wear that one smirk of his for a whole stellar lifetime over it.

Psychological damage is much more acceptable than death, although I'd prefer it to follow more from the unique mentality of space elves rather than derpy technology. Perhaps they upload a copy of their minds into the drones then go into stasis until the drone returns for memory reintegration, thus allowing this race of delicate philosophers to avoid the stiucky ethical dilemmas inherent in a divergence of self. Then if a drone is destroyed, or worse--damaged beyond the capacity for reintegration, the trauma of the existential crises inherent in loss of self or memory death could put a space-elf pilot out of action for as long as it takes him to pack up his easel and lute and contemplate the circular waterfalls of the great Mist Ring of Starbreit until he finds his oneness. Which can be quite some time. Truly, his suffering would be beyond anything the lesser races experience as death.

Or, just make them pay for the damaged drones.

Something that doesn't just turn the drones into power armor by telephone.


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 pretre wrote:
Even with an overload cutout circuit or something similar, the depth of control involved will leave a lasting scar on the individual in other ways. I imagine there's a lot of doing evil for the greater good kind of thing that tends to wear on the 'pilots'.

This sounds like it could lead to something far, far more interest than dead pilots. Or even crippled pilots. The mental damage, and the societal pollution such damage would cause for a race focused on mental pursuits and telepathic/emotional contact, would make for some great or chilling stories.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Yeah, I'm not too fussed by the Asterian fluff, it adds a bit of character if there's a risk to the operator (otherwise, playing them in-character you'd not care about any kind of defence as there's always another drone available).

Or it would require Mantic stepping up and trying something new, like a new way to make their IP compelling, or a different angle for a player to take, or anything that isn't painfully stupid.

Besides, there can still be some serious stakes for an immortal drone operator without his life being on the line. Maybe if he screws this last chance up, they'll bump him down to creche-warden for one of the 'uplifted' races the Asterians barely tolerate in their role as plumbers and drainage-sweeps for the next 10,000 years. And forcibly remove his reproduction rights. Then assign his lifesoul mate to his High Creche bully, B'iif. And you just know B'iif's gonna wear that one smirk of his for a whole stellar lifetime over it.

Psychological damage is much more acceptable than death, although I'd prefer it to follow more from the unique mentality of space elves rather than derpy technology. Perhaps they upload a copy of their minds into the drones then go into stasis until the drone returns for memory reintegration, thus allowing this race of delicate philosophers to avoid the stiucky ethical dilemmas inherent in a divergence of self. Then if a drone is destroyed, or worse--damaged beyond the capacity for reintegration, the trauma of the existential crises inherent in loss of self or memory death could put a space-elf pilot out of action for as long as it takes him to pack up his easel and lute and contemplate the circular waterfalls of the great Mist Ring of Starbreit until he finds his oneness. Which can be quite some time. Truly, his suffering would be beyond anything the lesser races experience as death.

Or, just make them pay for the damaged drones.

Something that doesn't just turn the drones into power armor by telephone.

I'd say it's different enough, and the key thing was distancing them from Eldar, which this does rather nicely. I agree that there's all sorts of psychological damage that could occur, but that's what I figure it meant in the story by 'may not be fit for combat again'. Not so much a physical injury as a mental trauma that left them basically 'shell-shocked' on a long-term basis. It's a lot more than just 'plug in here, 50/50 you die'.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Even with an overload cutout circuit or something similar, the depth of control involved will leave a lasting scar on the individual in other ways. I imagine there's a lot of doing evil for the greater good kind of thing that tends to wear on the 'pilots'.

This sounds like it could lead to something far, far more interest than dead pilots. Or even crippled pilots. The mental damage, and the societal pollution such damage would cause for a race focused on mental pursuits and telepathic/emotional contact, would make for some great or chilling stories.

Oh, now that looks interesting...hmm....

Or think about it like Tour de France cyclists taking EPO/Growth Hormone/other performance enhancing drugs

They give them a great performance boost but are not without risk

I'm sure they'd have preferred to have a zero risk option but they took what they could get and still achieve the best 'boost'

cypers give the asterian military the best boost possible but are not without risk, I'm sure they are working on making them both better and safer

Wow, feels like I should be in a GW thread, but price rise on the battlegrounds. They were 174.99 the other day(Friday), but I checked today and it's now 199.99. Might just be the conversion price from £ to $, but it's a typical tactic to change price right after a major sale (25% off in USA).

I think everyone got the 25% that was in a country that was no longer viable to take the cup or whatever it is, as per the newsletter. I've noticed the prices fluctuate too, i'm 'thinking it's a pounds to dollars thing though.

It could be a typo - They've done it before. It might be worth emailing them to check.

For what it's worth, there's no price change in the UK prices.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I like the "clunkiness" and the big feet. Looks to be on a massive base too. Mantic have made one-off figures in resin for Kickstarter pledges before. Also aren't a few bits (enforcer biker sniper girl and Forge father iron ancestor arms) meant to be resin?

Looks ded stompy eh?

 Compel wrote:
It could be a typo - They've done it before. It might be worth emailing them to check.

For what it's worth, there's no price change in the UK prices.

It why would there be a typo when the items I question have been on the site for weeks?

During the interview section of the latest Beasts of War video, Ronnie doesn't quite answer when we can expect to see Warpath 3.0, or whether Deadzone 1.5 will precede it.

But he does let slip that "hard plastic Veer-myn" are being considered.

We all knew Veer-myn were being touted as possible villains for another Deadzone release, but this "hard plastic" comment would suggest that they are next in line.

(Probably ahead of Corp, Zz'or, Ada Lorena bumpkins, etc.)

The point I got form it, is that Beta is soon as possible (not sure when), and if it's good, then roll on WP. If not, then it goes back into dev and DZ KS2 comes.

So I saw this on Mantic's newsletter Friday. Anyone know what its about?? Didn't see it posted anywhere else.

The point I got is that Ronnie still wants the massive armies multibased in 28mm idea, but if enough of us argue against it during the beta testing it'll be kicked back for reworking and Deadzone 1.5 will come first with the Veermyn etc

@Squall, i believe that's dwarf kings quest, kickstarter coming very soon. Probably no mention here since it's a fantasy product.