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Do we know how much US prices are going up? If it's more than a dollar or two, this could be a pretty serious problem for Mantic. Most of the FLGSs I've been to recently have had problems moving Mantic products and have stopped reordering stock for non-boardgame items. Mantic's prices seem to put them at a disadvantage against WGF/historicals (numbers) or DFG (quality).

Perhaps I'm more price-sensitive than most gamers, but it really feels like Mantic are not the "buy bigger armies" company anymore.

 Azazelx wrote:
(snip Ronnie)

I'll save that for tonight...

Do I sense a Sunstalker joke coming?

 Azazelx wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Yep, 2 separate rulebooks and army lists for Warpath. Should hopefully ship as a bonus freebie with DZ wave 2 if we're lucky.
Individual casualty removal and skirmish mechanics for the 40k-sized game. A polished version of Warpath 2.0 which is likely to fix up the current rules to remove some of the annoying things about it (the weird activation, 7+ to hit for most shooting etc.).
Element-based (5 models = 1 game unit) rules for the mass battle game which will allow for gigantic battles to be played very quickly. Movement trays here most likely.
All models compatible with both versions of the game. Play whichever one you want.

Its a good approach since it puts the two different versions of the game out there and lets the players decide which one is the most popular (rather than people with opinions on the internet, or Mantic's own playtesters).

That does seem like a good idea. So... why not give the two versions separate names then to avoid confusion? I guess there's still time for that - but having them with the same name would be a bad idea...

They could always do what Spartan Games has been hinting at doing for Firestorm, with Firestorm: Armada as the spaceship game, Firestorm: Invasion (iirc) as the 6mm, and then another Firestorm:Suffix name for their 15mm and 28mm (From what I recall of an old announcement). Maybe Warpath: Engagement for the skirmish-scale, and Warpath: Onslaught for the mass-battle version?

On a related note, I am incredibly psyched that they're doing this. I am a huuuuge fan of the mass-battle rules, but given the support for the skirmish rules as well I was disappointed about the idea of one group being left out. This idea sounds like the perfect fix, and I'm really glad it looks like it will continue a trend of Mantic promoting cross-compatibility with models in their ranges.

Plus, this is a ripe opportunity for them to basically pick up the ball Spartan Games dropped. When SG announced the Firestorm anthology of games, I was incredibly excited, but since then we've seen next to nothing released over the span of several years as they focus on F:A and DW. I don't blame them for that and it's their perogative, but not seeing much done with Firestorm* saddens me, especially after all the talk about how you could create campaigns linking different Firestorm games together (Play a 28mm game to knock out a defense battery, which gives a player a boost in an Armada game, which winning grants a troop bonus in the Invasion 6mm game, which might allow for a flanking maneuver if you also win a 15mm game, etc). Mantic could totally incorporate these ideas into their Warpaths (And even Deadzone perhaps), and I think it would draw in a lot of people who may have been hoping for multiple compatible games for linked campaigns.

Plus, if Mantic eventually shifts into hard plastic scifi ships, I think they could make a killing if they look nice enough. I know a big roadblock to getting more people in my area to play F:A is the pricetag on a starter box, and paying $40 for two hard plastic fleets instead of one resin one would probably make bank. Even moreso if the models were modular/interchangeable and offered players multiple build options from one kit...

*I still hate that they dropped the 28mm ground model rules for Uncharted Seas, and that Dystopian Legions has been getting very sparse love compared to Dystopian Wars.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Perhaps I'm more price-sensitive than most gamers, but it really feels like Mantic are not the "buy bigger armies" company anymore.

They've been quietly drifting away from that for awhile now. I expect the Warpath thing to take them even further away.


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 darkPrince010 wrote:

They could always do what Spartan Games has been hinting at doing for Firestorm, with Firestorm: Armada as the spaceship game, Firestorm: Invasion (iirc) as the 6mm, and then another Firestorm:Suffix name for their 15mm and 28mm (From what I recall of an old announcement). Maybe Warpath: Engagement for the skirmish-scale, and Warpath: Onslaught for the mass-battle version?

That would probably do it.

I'd certainly be down for a good cross-game-compatable campaign system, as well. I think Dystopian Legions really dropped the ball by going with 35mm or 40mm or whatever it was. I was down to buy a bunch of their figures to use in "other games" until we found out that the sizes were that far out of whack.

Hard plastic spaceships are too good of an idea. If Mantic tried that, the entire Chinese factory might explode. Remember the rule of Conservation of Mantic: the brighter the idea, the harder the almost.

Eh, probably not going to happen anytime soon, if at all.

Hawk Wargames will get there first at any rate since they have some sprues already for DZC and might launch their new spaceship game with a similar approach. That will have linked games of space combat and DZC. If you're not so keen on Spartan at the moment then Hawk is probably the one to follow rather than waiting on Mantic to start to consider looking at the genre.

I never got into any of Spartan's games, it always felt like there was a new one coming out every 6 months leaving me wondering what the support and game balance was going to be like. Mantic risks the same thing, Jake is good but there's rather a lot on his plate currently, I don't expect Deadzone to be balanced within the year and its possible that Dreadball might not handle having 25 teams too well despite being quite good currently. Then there's Mars Attacks, DBX and DKQ on top of that...

 Azazelx wrote:


Well, that's a really specific complaint - and not one that could ever be solved if people are that intent on making multibased dioramas.

Yep. The idea of possible mini dioramas (guys hunkering down behind space-sandbags, medics trying to patch up comrades whilst being protected by others etc)was the only real thing drawing me towards Warpath, but I don't expect it to be a major concern for others. And of course I could still do that, but if I made a fully diorama'd Warpath+ army, and everyone in my local group played Warpath- exclusively then I'd be... disappointed I guess.

But as I said, it's probably the best way overall.

Just got a download link for Incursion. Woohoo.



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Tons of pics in here (of course) that show things we may not have seen before.


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Peacekeepers with shields are going to be hilarious.


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Special mission to 'try out your new peacekeepers' at 110 points.

Big update

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-the-sci-fi-miniatures-board-game/posts/911998?at=BAh7CDoMcG9zdF9pZGkDfuoNSSIIdWlkBjoGRVRpAyRHKUkiC2V4cGlyeQY7BlRJIhgyMDE0LTA4LTE2IDE3OjQ3OjI3BjsGVA%3D%3D--3f2ed901e6d31ef8aacc0320e2d4bc382feeb080&ref=backer_project_update

long story short shipping starts July 28th if you didn't order either Asterians or Forge fathers

Shipping from 4th August for orders with Asterians

Forgefathers won't arrive at Mantic HQ until August 10th so shipping after that date. (looks like I'm waiting until the end :( )

Forgeguard sprue layout



Hard plastic Enforcers and Peacekeepers will not ship until October in a third wave which Mantic will cover the cost of.

Enforcer sprue layout



and a link to the full production and shipping schedule

http://www.manticgames.com/kickstarter/mission-control/deadzone-shipping.html

Yeah, I'll have to wait until the Aug 10th date. :(

I am very likely moving between August and December. This ought to be interesting.

Im assuming the zombies are in the first shipment?

rest of my pledge was all enforcers and forge fathers so thats end of August I'd guess. At least I'll have some striders to paint while I wait.

 edlowe wrote:
Im assuming the zombies are in the first shipment?

rest of my pledge was all enforcers and forge fathers so thats end of August I'd guess. At least I'll have some striders to paint while I wait.

Yes.

This link breaks down the schedule for everything:
http://www.manticgames.com/kickstarter/mission-control/deadzone-shipping.html

 pretre wrote:

 edlowe wrote:
Im assuming the zombies are in the first shipment?

rest of my pledge was all enforcers and forge fathers so thats end of August I'd guess. At least I'll have some striders to paint while I wait.

Yes.

This link breaks down the schedule for everything:
http://www.manticgames.com/kickstarter/mission-control/deadzone-shipping.html

Cheers, hard to read on my phone :(

A lot more metal than I remembered in that list of 2nd shipment items, but I guess that just means better value for Kickstarter backers. I have not added anything to my strike team pledge, so am I just waiting on the Enforcers come October?

I should start a pool on how much my 2nd shipment is going to weigh. Muhahahah

Does anyone know what that big grey-black mini is in the middle of the photo on the Free For All rules page?

Mortis

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/warpath/heroes/product/mortis-zombie-apokalypse-hero.html

The one in the middle of the zombies?

Ninja'd.

The update states that there is a link to the new pdf in my 'inbox'. I don't see any such link in my email or on kickstarter. Where is this link?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The update states that there is a link to the new pdf in my 'inbox'. I don't see any such link in my email or on kickstarter. Where is this link?

Should be in your kickstarter messages. Guess it might depend on pledge level though...

Mine showed up in my gmail inbox. It should have been sent as an email to whatever account you have associated with your kickstarter profile.

You should have it in your email or in the message in your Kickstarter account message box.

It is a link to a Wargamevault PDF download.

 pretre wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The update states that there is a link to the new pdf in my 'inbox'. I don't see any such link in my email or on kickstarter. Where is this link?

Should be in your kickstarter messages. Guess it might depend on pledge level though...

Oh. They didn't mention pledge level... Would some kind soul please share the gist of the Asterian and Forgefather background.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The update states that there is a link to the new pdf in my 'inbox'. I don't see any such link in my email or on kickstarter. Where is this link?

Should be in your kickstarter messages. Guess it might depend on pledge level though...

Oh. They didn't mention pledge level... Would some kind soul please share the gist of the Asterian and Forgefather background.

You could always message them as well. I believe the actual pledge levels listed whether you got electronic versions of the book or not, but don't remember.

Both long lived and insular>

Forge fathers are meticulous and slowly, yet aggressively expanding. Brokkrs are a wayward clan who decided to drop honour for profit, and payed the price. They're essential as pioneers, but shunned. They make a good scapegoat if they are caught sneaking.

Asterians are striving to maintain balance in all things, and not interested in intervening with other races unless they need to. They have a strong disdain for humanity, who they see as doing the opposite, especially since they hit the death arc. Some asterians believe that humanity should be left to be consumed by the plague.

I just got my ruined quadrant yesterday (would have been friday if Fedex wasn't dumb). Can't wait to start building, lots of great stuff in that box.. 9 pounds o' plastic!

I'm not sure if these have been seen before, I screen captured them from my tablet:

Peacekeepers:



Zombies:

Are the peacekeeper rules in the incursion book?

Haven't had a proper read yet, I'll check...

 JoeRugby wrote:
Are the peacekeeper rules in the incursion book?

No not that I can see they will be on the cards the rulebook just covers some specific rules like the shields.

The zombies above aren't the new ones they are made from the old KoW zombies and Corporation troops (the new ones are in the backgorund of the picture) and at a guess the Peacekeepers are resin or prints.