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BobtheInquisitor said: "Do we know how much US prices are going up?.."

Was there ever an answer on upcoming US price changes, if any?

That's a good question.

 Azazelx wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Perhaps I'm more price-sensitive than most gamers, but it really feels like Mantic are not the "buy bigger armies" company anymore.

They've been quietly drifting away from that for awhile now. I expect the Warpath thing to take them even further away.

Well, it seems Napoleon the Pig can longer be discerned from the farmer.

Alright, that's a bit of hyperbole, but it sure is depressing that Mantic is finally going to put out kits worth buying only to raise their prices until the kits aren't worth buying.

Almost.

Seems a bit of a massive stretch given that it's only the US dollar price going up, and only because that nation is slowly and inexorably collapsing in on itself.

All I have to say is "Hi Americans, welcome to the world the rest of us live in, enjoy your stay"

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Almost.

It's definitely been a few pages since that was busted out!

And seriously, is Mantic "Almost" because Ronnie didn't personally fly over here and fix the US economy? The dollar is becoming worth less than toilet paper because it's certainly being printed faster than toilet paper is being made. Everybody's making adjustments, and Mantic being a UK company, isn't raising their MSRP. Unless somehow they should lower them in order to keep US retail parity? IIRC they actually lowered prices and put more figures in a box about a year ago. But, y'know, ALMOST

Plus, also good to remember that Mantic is Ltd, not Plc. SO that cash isn't going to shareholders, but, rather back into the company.

 sukura636 wrote:
Plus, also good to remember that Mantic is Ltd, not Plc. SO that cash isn't going to shareholders, but, rather back into the company.

That's simply not how it all works. In all probability Mantic does pay a dividend because that's a more tax efficient way for Ronnie to pay himself some of his money.

 Baragash wrote:

 sukura636 wrote:
Plus, also good to remember that Mantic is Ltd, not Plc. SO that cash isn't going to shareholders, but, rather back into the company.

That's simply not how it all works. In all probability Mantic does pay a dividend because that's a more tax efficient way for Ronnie to pay himself some of his money.

True, but I don't think he triggers a price rise to make sure he gets enough. (Yes I know I'm grossly over-simplifying complex economics)

 Red Viper wrote:
Asterians look great.

I may get sucked into this game. I'm starting Infinity currently and need terrain... may as well get a new game system with the terrain.

Plus, with the cube movement system some of my board game friends may start this up. They seriously cannot figure out how to move a model using a tape measure... they want to hold it backwards or they try to get so painstakingly precise that games take forever. X Wing was the easiest game hook people on, and I think Deadzone may only be a small step further.

The terrain I have will be doing double duty with Infinity, I'm actually thinking about picking up some additional Infinity stuff that I can use in deadzone. So far I only have Pan-O stuff but I really like the Morat designs and they'd be great stand in models for the Rebs.

the cube system seemed a bit odd at first glance but after having some time to wrap my head around it I really like it now as it eliminates all the movement shenanigans. One of my friends constantly fudges his movements and is constantly taking an extra half inch or inch when it suits him (usually front to back measuring), whenever we call him on it he's like my bad I don't know how that happened. (like he hasn't figured out how to measure after 50+ games) Yet he harps on everyone else if they are even a single mm over, really frustrating to game with as he basically cheating IMO. Fittingly he's really against the idea of the cube, likely due to the fact it removes his ability to fudge things. I think the concept is great and keeps the game nice and simple.

Sounds like that friend need to meet the dread in a sock.

Yeah if only we had one of the old metal ones laying around, I fear that a plastic dread wouldn't have enough weight to "learn him" proper.

I do think the cube mechanics are one of the best bits of Deadzone, elegant, simple and with plenty of room for more conventional positioning given the ability to choose exactly where you place the models.

Hasn't been posted here yet, so here are the production miniatures for Mars Attacks, this is the first box that rolled off the assembly line:







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Have to say, by the standards of board games, this is looking like a damn good quality board game.

That terrain does look very nice and versatile. Any word yet if it's going to be available 'battlezone-style' as a stand-alone, as I have no interest in the game itself?

It will be released as a separate terrain pack, almost certainly, same goes for the martians and soldiers.

One interesting thing from people who got to have a look at the production minis is that there is apparently almost zero mould lines, to the point where removing the very few shallow ones that do exist is not necessary.

Looking at the bases on the minis in those pics seems to support this, you'd expect a line down the middle of the base on all of them... you can just about see that on some of them, but not on most of them.

really looking forward to getting hold of it now, with the narrative missions similar to space hulk where you play a mini-campaign using the models in the box it should be a lot of fun.. and simplified Deadzone rules means I don't really need to learn how to play, and it could act as a great lead-in game for Deadzone... play MA to learn the basics, then play Deadzone with the cards etc.

 paulson games wrote:

the cube system seemed a bit odd at first glance but after having some time to wrap my head around it I really like it now as it eliminates all the movement shenanigans. One of my friends constantly fudges his movements and is constantly taking an extra half inch or inch when it suits him (usually front to back measuring), whenever we call him on it he's like my bad I don't know how that happened. (like he hasn't figured out how to measure after 50+ games) Yet he harps on everyone else if they are even a single mm over, really frustrating to game with as he basically cheating IMO. Fittingly he's really against the idea of the cube, likely due to the fact it removes his ability to fudge things. I think the concept is great and keeps the game nice and simple.

 Paradigm wrote:
I do think the cube mechanics are one of the best bits of Deadzone, elegant, simple and with plenty of room for more conventional positioning given the ability to choose exactly where you place the models.

As well as all of the above, I've found the cube system to be on the "nerdy enough to be fun" side of a demarcation line, on the other side of which is the way too nerdy to consider "Tape measures? Are you serious?" to my non-wargaming friends.

 Paradigm wrote:
That terrain does look very nice and versatile. Any word yet if it's going to be available 'battlezone-style' as a stand-alone, as I have no interest in the game itself?

Can't imagine why it wouldn't! But no actual word, no.

I hope Mantic is able to transfer this breakthrough to the rest of the Deadzone stuff!

Wow! That Mars Attacks game looks cool. How much is the retail going to be?

$75 or £50 as far as I know. The US price increase might change things though, since at current exchange rates, £50 = $85.30.*

Bit cheaper than Deadzone due to no rubber mat, although it does come with about double the amount of minis in the box.

* This is why Mantic is having to increase US prices, a few months ago, £50 was just about $75 exactly, now its over $85.. Mantic don't have the profit margins to be able to ignore massive currency fluctuations such as the dollar losing 20% of its value in a short space of time.

Not sure what's happening over in America right now with the money (If I had to hazard a guess, its a deliberate currency trashing for the sake of making the national debt easier to pay off, at the expense of the short term economy since the US is not an exporter nation) but it seems to be headed in the same direction as the Euro after several countries using it defaulted on their debts.

Edit: Pre-orders just went up, along with lots of new pics. Mars Attacks box set is $80 so it's actually a better deal than it should be by $5 for US customers.

Lots of new pics, too!

Thanks for posting the pics here Scarletsquig

Really liking the boardgame format of the game, means I can get games up and running in a short space of time when I probably wouldn't have considered starting on a new system..

Everything looks great for a board game!

Yeah, I think I'd have been happier with Deadzone in this sort of material, it would have made it so much easier to get started with rather than spending ages prepping restic first.

No restic to deal with, or assembly, or much in the way of flash from the looks of it.

Was unable to go in for the KS, but have just pre-ordered the main box set. Really like the look of this - those US soldiers look great as do the Martians.

JP

 judgedoug wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Almost.

It's definitely been a few pages since that was busted out!

And seriously, is Mantic "Almost" because Ronnie didn't personally fly over here and fix the US economy? The dollar is becoming worth less than toilet paper because it's certainly being printed faster than toilet paper is being made. Everybody's making adjustments, and Mantic being a UK company, isn't raising their MSRP. Unless somehow they should lower them in order to keep US retail parity? IIRC they actually lowered prices and put more figures in a box about a year ago. But, y'know, ALMOST

Ok. I apologize. I did not know the dollar had tanked and I went too far. I admit it upsets me when I see my purchasing power decrease and my dwindling hobby budget affording less and less plastic crack.

The thing about catchphrases is that it's fun to use them.

I am heavily invested in DeadZone and though I initially went very big into the Mars Attacks KS, I recently had to cancel my order/pledge due to a change in personal circumstances (and Mantic were FANTASTIC to deal with on this).

I really regret it. I would much rather have all the Mars Attacks stuff I had chosen than the Dead Zone stuff. I like the theme better and the figures won't be nearly as frustrating as some of the crap I got so far from Dead Zone.

Kudos to Mantic for pulling this off an having it come out as nicely as it appears to have.

Ahh, Mars Attack looks soo good. But I have no money left to spend on it. Would have gone in with the KS but just got Deadzone as a gift for my brother and I thought it was really similar. Now I am torn. Oh well I still hope it rocks. As for the price increase it is totally justifiable but it is really not great news for the US economy... great.

I backed out of the kickstarter when I realised my completionist mentality was going to bankrupt me on a game I was never going to play.

That terrain is gorgeous and I really like how the civilian heroes turned out. Also, I need a set of flaming cows. I don't know why I do, but now that I've seen them, I need a set of flaming cows

I need the wheel chair to mod so I can play a tabketop version of It Came From the Desert!

Quite glad i got the cows... and well, everything i got. What we've seen so far is looking great, and the pre-colored plastic is really going to take the pressure off of me to paint this immediately. I intend to, it will look much much better painted... but it'll play just fine in the initial colors too, giving more time to finish up deadzone stuff and so on.


On DZ: Incursion, the rules for multimat/player games were awful short, but that might be a good thing really... what did you guys think about them? I've only played two small games so my own frame of reference is pretty limited to make a solid judgement.

Also... gimme my AI deck soonest!

We've played multi-mat and multiplayer w/o whatever rules Incursion includes.
I am not a fan. Unless you've got scads of terrain, whoever tries to cross no-man's land is gonna be one dead customer.

It encourages turtling (may as well stay here and shoot/blaze away) unless Incursion does something about that.

Mostly they are guidelines, deployment zones and such. The bigger boards may require a bucketload of terrain. I've been getting into found/scratchbuilt terrain lately so this won't serve as a problem for me... but significant terrain density may be an issue for a lot of deadzoners, similar to how it is for a lot of (especially those starting out) infinity players.