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Aren't we going to be able to get Deadzone stats for a lot of this stuff as well? I think I pledged for that...

Yeah there are supposed to be two faction decks, one for the human forces and one for the martians. Supposedly everything gets a card, but we haven't heard about it for months and months.

If you're talking about DZ decks for the MA factions, Miniature Market has them up for pre-order along with the Forge Father-related DZ stuff. Don't know a date or anything but MM has a good track record of not putting it up until it's reasonably certain to come out in a few weeks.

Well I certainly hope it ends up in my big giant box of stuff that Mantic has to hold on to while they wait for those robot legs.

Anyone who get their pledge order a DZ deck as well? Are these coming separately?

 judgedoug wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
$20 for six for a sprue sans options is pretty steep.

There have been several people who have said that the Forge Guard and Peacekeepers sprues do not have options. However, that is not true.

As previously reported:

A sprue of five Enforcer Peacekeepers includes: (listing based on message on Mantic Facebook 9/25/2014):
5 x Peacekeeper (different poses/legs) with extra heads
1 x Wrist Blade Arm (left)
5 x Rifle Arms (right)
5 x Energy Gauntlet Arms (left)
5 x Defender Shields
1 x Incinerator arm (right)
1 x Burst Laser arm (right)

The extra heads are a big deal for me, so I'm glad to hear it. The 3 additional weapon options are pretty bare bones, obviously on the sprue because they're in the codex (er, pdf), but still a nice touch. The defender shields I thought were going to be restic. Still, in plastic they'd be useful for conversions. They definitely add some value to the sprue. I'd definitely pay $10 for 5 of them.

Wait, how much are they retailing for? 5 for $20? Maybe that will seem like a better deal after Mantic bases a NYT Bestselling series on them and then runs it into the ground...

As for the Forge Guard: (listing based on previously shown sprue layout, Deadzone Kickstarter Update #152, 7/16/2014):
5 x Forge Guard (different bodies, left & right legs, upper torsos with heads)
1 x Forge Father Huscarl in Forge Guard Armor
6 x Arms with Heat Hammers (left)
8 x Ranged Weapon Arms (right)
6 x Hailstorm Rifle
1 x Heat Cannon
1 x Autocannon
1 x Missile Launcher

OK, so I may have exaggerated slightly by saying no options. However, there are no extra CC arms for poseability, no extra heads, and only three optional extra weapons.

0 optional heads
2 optional RIGHT arms
0 optional left arms
3 optional heavy weapons
0 optional leg poses
Less variety than a restic kit, it seems like.

Compare that to the Eisenkern, with all their extra arms, separate heads for pose-and-swapability, and the 2 extra sets of legs, and pouches and ammo drums. The Eisenkern are just a little more than half the price. The sprues they come on are probably twice the size of the Forgeguard sprue, and you get two for the 10-man squad. WGF's Shock Troops have fewer torsos, but many more head and weapon options. And they're just a smidge over a dollar each!

Enforcers get restic shields, Peacekeepers get hard plastic shields. No, I don't know why, but that's the way it is.

As for the price, I think all their stuff has only middling price value when you buy the minimum amount, it's when you buy in bulk that the savings kick in: Corporation Marines are $25 for 10, $35 for 20. Marauder grunts are $20 and $35. Stormrage Veterans are $18 for 5 and $25 for 10. Veer-myn Nightmares are $20 and $25.

When I looked at Eisenkern they were practically the same price for a 10 man box as what Mantic were offering with Marines, silly given how much nicer the Eisenkern are, but when you wanted 3 or 4 boxes worth the total price for the Eisenkern went up a lot faster than the Marines because Dreamforge don't have a whole lot of bulk discount.

The value is really up to you, and how many of them you need.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

The extra heads are a big deal for me, so I'm glad to hear it. The 3 additional weapon options are pretty bare bones, obviously on the sprue because they're in the codex (er, pdf), but still a nice touch. The defender shields I thought were going to be restic. Still, in plastic they'd be useful for conversions. They definitely add some value to the sprue. I'd definitely pay $10 for 5 of them.
Wait, how much are they retailing for? 5 for $20? Maybe that will seem like a better deal after Mantic bases a NYT Bestselling series on them and then runs it into the ground...

Yah, and again, I was posting just the contents (not a defense of the price). To me, they are absolutely worth $10 for five, so I loaded up on them.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

[snip Forge Guard]
OK, so I may have exaggerated slightly by saying no options. However, there are no extra CC arms for poseability, no extra heads, and only three optional extra weapons.

0 optional heads
2 optional RIGHT arms
0 optional left arms
3 optional heavy weapons
0 optional leg poses
Less variety than a restic kit, it seems like.

Compare that to the Eisenkern, with all their extra arms, separate heads for pose-and-swapability, and the 2 extra sets of legs, and pouches and ammo drums. The Eisenkern are just a little more than half the price. The sprues they come on are probably twice the size of the Forgeguard sprue, and you get two for the 10-man squad. WGF's Shock Troops have fewer torsos, but many more head and weapon options. And they're just a smidge over a dollar each!

I agree that sprue layout was rather odd - I believe the extra Right arms are so you can magnetize the arms? It could also be that the render they showed just had extra right arms and maybe there's supposed to be a left arm, too - it was months and months ago.
To be fair, the head is integrated into the upper shoulder region.
And yeah, I doubt anyone will ever be as good a deal as Wargames Factory is, even after their recent price increase (even Mantic's old 2011 deals have never been as good as WGF). Their AWI figs are breaking the bank at $1 apiece (25 for $24.95), compared to their WSS figs (36 for $21.95 (previously $19.95))

My Super Duper Theory is that the DZ1.5/WP0.5 Kickstarter will introduce additional sprues for the Enforcers, Forge Guard, and Peacekeepers, that will include more weapons options. So a Forge Guard standard sprue just has heat hammers, rifles, heavy weapons. Then the additional sprue will have other close combat options, alternate guns, etc. Same with the Peacekeepers - a second sprue containing the power mauls and wolverine claws, etc.

Regarding prices, I am very pleased with my Kickstarter discounts and, of course, I never buy Mantic at retail price. Their one-player starter armies and full army boxes tend to be heavily discounted, and then coupled with most 20-30% off online stores, is about the only way I've bought figs, and I've never had a problem with that.

Nice little Contagion Expansion Pack available at Wayland Games over here in the UK.

Rulebook, 30 Zombies, AI Deck and one ruined scenery sprue for £26.99.


http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/mantic-games/deadzone/deadzone-contagion-expansion-/prod_30086.html

I have not seen this on the Mantic site, I hope it is a full on release rather than just a Wayland deal.

Also all 6 of the metal characters are available individually or as a Rogue's Gallery:

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/mantic-games/deadzone/rogues-gallery/prod_30087.html

And for a bit cheaper than the Kickstarter character bundle, too.

Yeah, I'll almost certainly grab that Contagion bundle (once I've stopped being annoyed at Wayland for still not shipping Icestorm) as it's less that buying 30 zombies on their own, so you're basically getting the book, AI deck (I need that a lot), Ruin sprue for free over RRP!

That is why I am hoping it is a general release bundle so I can get it from the far more reliable Element Games.

Yea don't really want to order anything else off of Wayland because of icestorm.

But that deal is really good. Hmm tempted

I'm hoping Mantic themselves will be putting this up on their webstore soon. If they don't and it goes all limited edition-y and GW-y that's my sign to quit.
I won't be ordering from Wayland because of problems (and month after month of waits) for a Zombicide order I had with them.

NTRabbit wrote:
Enforcers get restic shields, Peacekeepers get hard plastic shields. No, I don't know why, but that's the way it is.

As for the price, I think all their stuff has only middling price value when you buy the minimum amount, it's when you buy in bulk that the savings kick in: Corporation Marines are $25 for 10, $35 for 20. Marauder grunts are $20 and $35. Stormrage Veterans are $18 for 5 and $25 for 10. Veer-myn Nightmares are $20 and $25.

When I looked at Eisenkern they were practically the same price for a 10 man box as what Mantic were offering with Marines, silly given how much nicer the Eisenkern are, but when you wanted 3 or 4 boxes worth the total price for the Eisenkern went up a lot faster than the Marines because Dreamforge don't have a whole lot of bulk discount.

The value is really up to you, and how many of them you need.

I need 10 to 20, with the option to get 10 to 20 more if I love them. I am the customer Mantic apparently despises; I buy all of their ranges (except Veermyn), but only in considerable (for Mantic) moderation.

I stopped buying big bulk deals a while ago, especially if they include any restic figures. I still haven't assembled my Revenant cavalry or my Orc cavalry. Heck, I haven't finished assembling most of the GW plastics I've bought. But that doesn't mean I'm necessarily okay spending more per troop because I'm buying less. I'm not. I have less to spend, so when I do buy minis, I'm just buying a bigger variety of single kits to find out what I like and try new things. Mantic is pricing their plastics out of this impulse buy range for me, 'betraying' what I thought Mantic was all about back when I bought their elves and dwarfs on pre-order to support them. So I might just fall in love with some other range of minis before I get over my bad feelings toward Mantic.


Besides, their bulk deals should have achieved or beaten the 5 for $10 deal. Again, they have already paid off the tooling with Kickstarter so there's no reason for them to price their minis higher than that. At, say 40 or more models for $60, Mantic could very quickly dominate the market. At $4 each, their minis become far less attractive.

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/catalog/product/view/id/42249/s/mgdzm15-1/

Looks like that same expansion we were discussing earlier (30 zombies, bit of terrain, contagion 'book'), is available from miniature market too.

30 zombies is... probably enough for the solo campaign. You'll have to recycle them as they die and possibly 'forget' to spawn extras towards the end of missions. I know my 20-25 z-corp were barely able to keep up with the first one.

A good deal too if you ask me, 30 zombies plus a bit of terrain, the book (it's tiny though, not sure I'd be willing to pay $5 for it solo) and the AI deck (not sure why those things are 8-10 dollars solo, maybe cards are expensive to print?) makes for a pretty solid purchase.

 GrimDork wrote:
(not sure why those things are 8-10 dollars solo, maybe cards are expensive to print?) makes for a pretty solid purchase.

Bicycle printed playing cards on kickstarter tend to go for $10-15 a deck, so yeah it's probably the price of printing

The Wolsung deck of cards was $10 as well

That deal on MM has been up for a while. I'm waiting to see if there's a better deal direct from Mantic, or on their new KS.

Don't really need the Zombies, got 60 coming from DBX.

Agree that 30 is cutting slightly tight on the solo campaign. I had 30 out on the board and had to forget extra spawning in the last few turns. This may explain how I even got one enforcer off the board! It was brutal, the speed at which the zombies move meant shooting was a really really bad idea. As was standing and fighting! Actually it was run or die.... Maybe I need some more practice.

I only wish the Zombies were a troops option for Plague.

Anyone house ruled that yet? What points value would you assign to them?

Well, going off of the official Plague list they had for WP2, I'd guess around 3 pts per Zombie, when comparing the cost per model for other DZ vs WP2 stuff

I feel 3 pts would be on the cheap side for their abilities, though. I'm not sure they're any worse than a 3A.

3A has a 6+ range 6 rifle and 1 armour to go along with the 5+ melee, and is fast. 3Z is not fast and only has the melee.

Haven't read contagion to see what the 3Z special rules are, but it seems like they'd be little more than cheap bullet shields that can't shoot back in a regular game

Got my wave 3 paypal invoice today. Any idea how long we have to pay it?

NTRabbit wrote:
3A has a 6+ range 6 rifle and 1 armour to go along with the 5+ melee, and is fast. 3Z is not fast and only has the melee.

Haven't read contagion to see what the 3Z special rules are, but it seems like they'd be little more than cheap bullet shields that can't shoot back in a regular game

3Z has Tough instead of 1 Armour, so it's actually harder to damage. It's also immune to pinning/suppression, albeit at the cost of being more vulnerable to Blaze Away damage. And it gains +1 attack and +1AP for each and every other 3Z in the same cube, rather than the usual outnumber bonus.

 edlowe wrote:
Got my wave 3 paypal invoice today. Any idea how long we have to pay it?

Until 31st October Ed.

Blaze away from enforcers fuggin *slays* zombies though, and you can kill more than one at a time once they start clustering up.

Between s3 and 3d, what role are you guys hoping for zombies to fill? Or is it more about not liking the s3 models?

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

 edlowe wrote:
Got my wave 3 paypal invoice today. Any idea how long we have to pay it?

Until 31st October Ed.

Thanks Thraxas, just after payday

 GrimDork wrote:
Blaze away from enforcers fuggin *slays* zombies though, and you can kill more than one at a time once they start clustering up.

Between s3 and 3d, what role are you guys hoping for zombies to fill? Or is it more about not liking the s3 models?

I'm wanting them to fill the role of "the horde", as in "Alex C gets to play a zombie horde directed by a Stage 1 because that would be awesome".

Hmm not sure then. You may have to do some playtesting, I would assume somewhere between 3-4 points though they're sort of designed around being off the points system and just being plopped down in buckets by the rules in contagion.

Cool, thanks for the suggestions!