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2013/01/24 20:48:27
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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Yeah, this is a thing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/new-mexico-abortion-bill_n_2541894.html
A Republican lawmaker in New Mexico introduced a bill on Wednesday that would legally require victims of rape to carry their pregnancies to term in order to use the fetus as evidence for a sexual assault trial.
House Bill 206, introduced by state Rep. Cathrynn Brown (R), would charge a rape victim who ended her pregnancy with a third-degree felony for "tampering with evidence."
“Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime," the bill says.
Third-degree felonies in New Mexico carry a sentence of up to three years in prison.
Pat Davis of ProgressNow New Mexico, a progressive nonprofit opposing the bill, called it "blatantly unconstitutional" on Thursday.
“The bill turns victims of rape and incest into felons and forces them to become incubators of evidence for the state,” he said. “According to Republican philosophy, victims who are ‘legitimately raped’ will now have to carry the fetus to term in order to prove their case.“
The bill is unlikely to pass, as Democrats have a majority in both chambers of New Mexico's state legislature.
UPDATE: 12:25 p.m. -- Brown said in a statement Thursday that she introduced the bill with the goal of punishing the person who commits incest or rape and then procures or facilitates an abortion to destroy the evidence of the crime.
“New Mexico needs to strengthen its laws to deter sex offenders,” said Brown. “By adding this law in New Mexico, we can help to protect women across our state.”
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2013/01/24 20:52:47
Subject: Re:New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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This Woman should be made to step down from whatever position she holds.
Ridiculous and Disgusting all at the same time. Disgustulous?
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2013/01/24 20:54:22
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Bane Thrall
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“New Mexico needs to strengthen its laws to deter sex offenders,” said Brown. “By adding this law in New Mexico, we can help to protect women across our state.”
Disgusting
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GW Rules Interpretation Syndrom. GWRIS. Causes people to second guess a rule in a book because that's what they would have had to do in a GW system.
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2013/01/24 20:57:31
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Old Sourpuss
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Could they not simply make a law that forces medical examiners or something to perform an abortion and then take something that would qualify as a DNA sample, so that could be used instead of a wretched spawnling?
Interesting law.
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2013/01/24 21:00:37
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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 Alfndrate wrote:Could they not simply make a law that forces medical examiners or something to perform an abortion and then take something that would qualify as a DNA sample, so that could be used instead of a wretched spawnling?
If it were about criminal law then that would probably work, but it isn't about that, so it wouldn't work.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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2013/01/24 21:28:17
Subject: Re:New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Wha...?!
In a more traditional Dakka manner, I'm sure this is sensible. BLAME THE VICTIM!
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2013/01/24 21:36:58
Subject: Re:New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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I..
Don't...
I can't facepalm hard enough...
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Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
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2013/01/24 21:49:06
Subject: Re:New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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How...how do people like this get elected?
Oh, right:
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2013/01/24 21:56:59
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Bryan Ansell
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It would be simpler to make contraceptives more freely available. If you aint pregnant it can't be rape!
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2013/01/24 22:02:05
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Da...
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WHAT IS THIS?!
WHY IS THIS ALLOWED TO EXIST?!
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BlapBlapBlap: bringing idiocy and mischief where it should never set foot since 2011.
BlapBlapBlap wrote:What sort of idiot quotes themselves in their sigs? Who could possibly be that arrogant?
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2013/01/24 22:11:52
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Novice Knight Errant Pilot
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It's not - this isn't a real law or anything, just another one of those stupid legislator stories of someone with their head firmly shoved into their ass who thinks they're making some kind of statement or stand by proposing stupid gak that has no hope of passing.
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2013/01/24 22:55:44
Subject: Re:New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Fixture of Dakka
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You must feel so proud; you managed to out-facepalm the server.
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BlapBlapBlap: bringing idiocy and mischief where it should never set foot since 2011.
BlapBlapBlap wrote:What sort of idiot quotes themselves in their sigs? Who could possibly be that arrogant?
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2013/01/25 03:07:04
Subject: Re:New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Holy gak. The anti-abortion movement found a new low. I honestly wouldn't have thought that was possible after 'you can't get pregnant from rape' thing, but here it is.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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2013/01/25 03:56:20
Subject: Re:New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Ladies and gentlemen, the party of small government.
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2013/01/25 04:08:42
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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No, Its the Morality party.
Sorry, I think the Conservatives are right in many things involving thing financially. but their stances one social issues are what preventing me from liking them.
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2013/01/25 04:30:24
Subject: Re:New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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Well, as sneaky legal tricks go it's almost clever.
The proper counter is for the abortion clinic to retain part of the foetus for DNA analysis.
The advantage then is that you don't need to wait 9 months for the baby to be tested.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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2013/01/25 04:41:28
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Gunblaze West
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New mexico everybody!!!! *clap clap clap*
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2013/01/25 05:38:25
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Alfndrate wrote:Could they not simply make a law that forces medical examiners or something to perform an abortion and then take something that would qualify as a DNA sample, so that could be used instead of a wretched spawnling?
Interesting law.
Nope. Too logical. What the hell is up with your United States of America? Many of you are probably very nice, and you're probably not total idiots like some make you out to be, but seriously. Sometimes, the things prominent people of your country do is absolutely slowed. Like invading Iraq and Vietnam. And giving money to Israel so they can colonise the Gaza Strip. Not cool guys.
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0052/01/25 05:38:25
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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 hotsauceman1 wrote:Sorry, I think the Conservatives are right in many things involving thing financially. but their stances one social issues are what preventing me from liking them.
This is likely the symptom of you not paying enough attention to their financial shenanigans. If anything, their fiscal polices are even more ridiculous. I mean, making a load of noise about deficits in the 90s, working with the democratic president to balance the budget, then immediately cutting taxes and putting the country into deficit and happily staying so until a Democrat comes to office and then getting all concerned about deficits again... that is not sensible fiscal policy.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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2013/01/25 08:39:39
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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They don't even do this in Alabama.
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2013/01/25 08:43:56
Subject: Re:New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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You know you went too far when, 12 hours in, not a single one of the Dakka Conservatives has made any attempt to defend this.
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2013/01/25 08:52:52
Subject: Re:New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Hallowed Canoness
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 Ouze wrote:You know you went too far when, 12 hours in, not a single one of the Dakka Conservatives has made any attempt to defend this.
It's indefensible by any one with at least one brain cell running around.
I mean holy feth...
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2013/01/25 10:48:12
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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House Bill 206, introduced by state Rep. Cathrynn Brown (R), would charge a rape victim who ended her pregnancy with a third-degree felony for "tampering with evidence."
“Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime," the bill says.
What's next, start charging firefighters for extinguishing arson fires?
This is truly disgusting. No matter which side of the line you're on with regard to abortion, attempting to portray a victim's attempt to mitigate the harm caused by a crime as "tampering with evidence" is obscene.
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2013/01/25 11:16:43
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Oh what the hell is wrong with your country...
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2013/01/25 11:24:09
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Hallowed Canoness
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We have a list actually...
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
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2013/01/25 12:04:04
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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hotsauceman1 wrote:Yeah, this is a thing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/new-mexico-abortion-bill_n_2541894.html
A Republican lawmaker in New Mexico introduced a bill on Wednesday that would legally require victims of rape to carry their pregnancies to term in order to use the fetus as evidence for a sexual assault trial.
House Bill 206, introduced by state Rep. Cathrynn Brown (R), would charge a rape victim who ended her pregnancy with a third-degree felony for "tampering with evidence."
“Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime," the bill says.
Third-degree felonies in New Mexico carry a sentence of up to three years in prison.
Pat Davis of ProgressNow New Mexico, a progressive nonprofit opposing the bill, called it "blatantly unconstitutional" on Thursday.
“The bill turns victims of rape and incest into felons and forces them to become incubators of evidence for the state,” he said. “According to Republican philosophy, victims who are ‘legitimately raped’ will now have to carry the fetus to term in order to prove their case.“
The bill is unlikely to pass, as Democrats have a majority in both chambers of New Mexico's state legislature.
UPDATE: 12:25 p.m. -- Brown said in a statement Thursday that she introduced the bill with the goal of punishing the person who commits incest or rape and then procures or facilitates an abortion to destroy the evidence of the crime.
“New Mexico needs to strengthen its laws to deter sex offenders,” said Brown. “By adding this law in New Mexico, we can help to protect women across our state.”
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In their defense if you lived in New Mexico, you would understand the crazy level. Outside of some absolutely beautiful areas, the entire state looks like "No Country for Old Men." Any state where the government thinks dropping some nukes won't make anything worse is well...blessed by God. 
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2013/01/25 12:49:27
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Fixture of Dakka
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I went to fire off a hateful missive as I often do to slowed jackasses who say stupid things. While on her webpage I took the oppourtunity to look at the tab with her bill. It reads somewhat differently than the one on the NM legislature page.
It can be found here.
http://cathrynnbrown.com/page.php?t=hb_206
In the description of the bill on her website it includes the line "Prohibiting the prosecution of the mother of the fetus"
Some creative editing has occurred and my question is did that occur before her bill was introduced or after and by whom. Having only my phone I have no way of answering that.
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2013/01/25 13:05:58
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Reading the bill there from what I can tell the only ones able to be prosecuted under it would be the rapist.
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Prestor Jon wrote:Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
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2013/01/25 13:17:23
Subject: New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 AustonT wrote:I went to fire off a hateful missive as I often do to slowed jackasses who say stupid things. While on her webpage I took the oppourtunity to look at the tab with her bill. It reads somewhat differently than the one on the NM legislature page.
It can be found here.
http://cathrynnbrown.com/page.php?t=hb_206
In the description of the bill on her website it includes the line "Prohibiting the prosecution of the mother of the fetus"
Some creative editing has occurred and my question is did that occur before her bill was introduced or after and by whom. Having only my phone I have no way of answering that.
If that bill is the text that was introduced then it seems that the whole thing is just a bunch of balony.
The bill would modify an already existing law that makes it illegal to have an abortion for the sole purpose of destroying evidence. They have to be able to prove that the indent of the abortion was to destroy evidence.
The bill would add the following section to the already existing 50 year-old law
B. Tampering with evidence shall include a person
committing criminal sexual penetration or incest procuring or
facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to
obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of the
person's act of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the
intent to destroy evidence of the crime. In no circumstance
shall the mother of the fetus be charged under this subsection.
So all the bill does is clarify that
A) Women shall not be charged if they are seeking an abortion out of their own will.
B) If the women is forced by a rapist to have the abortion in order to destroy evidence, then the person forcing the women (and not the woman) shall be charged with destroying evidence.
As far as I can tell, it is actually a sensible bill. But let's just take the HuffPo at face value and rage.
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2013/01/25 13:42:25
Subject: Re:New mexico introduces a bill that would make abortions "Tampering with evidence" in rape cases.
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Did you guys know "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?
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