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Started going through my armor kits, which I've assembled none of, and realized I have an extra Watcher and Phoenix still on sprue. Was that a 1st Kickstarter extra?

I can't imagine needing two, so they may go up on the 'bay.

 gunslingerpro wrote:
Started going through my armor kits, which I've assembled none of, and realized I have an extra Watcher and Phoenix still on sprue. Was that a 1st Kickstarter extra?

I can't imagine needing two, so they may go up on the 'bay.

Yep extra 1 of each of them and 5 Kings Men

 Baragash wrote:
Halloween Survivors II to Australia looks to have been FUBAR'd and anything going by USPS is now on it's way back to KD

Finally got a refund, two months after they automatically opened a support ticket on my behalf. Full refund, sans the plastic bases that shipped from a different warehouse and the cost associated with that.

Not exactly the resolution I would have liked, but that it was resolved at all is appreciated enough

I'm sorry to see people going for the refund but at the same time it's understandable. I really want the stuff from wave 3 and 4 so I'm going to ride it out. I'm not in a position where I need the money and I doubt this KS will fail or wind up fethed like McVey's.

Kingdom Death BF news: "For the first time, Kingdom Death: Monster enters a virtual world with the announcement of Kingdom Death Simulator. "
https://mailchi.mp/kingdom-death/kingdom-death-news-2962432?e=c90e8cccfa

KDM KS Update: PM reopens. GC finally printing. "Estimated Delivery - Q2 / Early Q3 2023." Sure.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster-15/posts/3666638

Guess I'll look up the best Tabletop Simulator mods for KD and back them up locally.

This guy's commitment to inaccessibility boggles the mind.

I really hope the newer armour sets are available outside their expansions at some point, they've been getting very snazzy!

So I got my simulator invites today.

It's much better made then I expected. You actually have a whole house to explore (though it's not finished), when not playing the game. It's very atmospheric.

Only real downside is it's online only so you cannot play it with no internet. But at the same time focusing on a good online play is probably a good thing for those that want to play remotely with friends.

Xmas update brings no new info on the GC completion and announcement of a new expansion and a commitment to make it sometime this century.
To be clear, that's not a joke. His lack of any ability to read the room does make me worry about the future of the series.
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I mailed them asking what the deal is with the Hyper Light Drifter crossover mini ages ago and still.. zip. Nada. Zilch. Nothing.

You know, there was a point where I strongly considered getting into Kingdom Death. This thread has done far more to convince me not to than the price tag ever could.

To be frank if one backs/ orders and is expecting anything other than be delivered sometime in the future late and overbloaded with extra stuff is not backing KDM with healthy epxpectations.

Is it right? is it wrong? I do not know, but it is what it is.

I’m on my second pacemaker since the campaign. If I get to pacemaker number three and still no KDM, I’m out.

Life literally isn’t long enough.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
To be frank if one backs/ orders and is expecting anything other than be delivered sometime in the future late and overbloaded with extra stuff is not backing KDM with healthy epxpectations.

Is it right? is it wrong? I do not know, but it is what it is.

I think most went into it thinking it'd be late, probably the latest Kickstarter they had ever backed, like maybe even three years late.

But we are now looking at best scenario the GC being delivered 5 years late.

Wave 4 is already being chunked up and realistically I think the last parts of this project are going to deliver ten years late.

There's late and there is *late*

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I’m on my second pacemaker since the campaign. If I get to pacemaker number three and still no KDM, I’m out.

Life literally isn’t long enough.

Ha!

(Seriously though - wishing you a happy and healthy 2023!)

The ridiculous delays, scope bloat, penis overload and no end in sight nature of...the whole thing saw me cash out a while back.

One of the few good gaming related decisions I've ever made.

I honestly keep forgetting KD is a thing i backed til I get an email update or see the thread on here resurface
At this point I think i'm just in for the gamblers chest or whatever it was called
Hell, I don't even own the base game anymore, sold it off to a coworker at a past job

I feel I'm one of the only few left on Dakka that is still somewhat optimistic about the whole mess and keeps an eye on things.

I'll be more than happy to swoop in and start picking up extra armor kits and whatnot when everyone floods the market in disgust.

Sucks that a lot of pepole spent more than they should have, especially knowing it wasn't the most financially sound decision backing a project from a known perfectionist/ procrastinator.

I don't think I'll ever understand the furious indignation people seem to spew all over the internet though- their game will come.

Did nobody learn anything from the first time around? I don't think Adam or many backers did.

Maybe 2023 will finally be the year I get the game back on the table though!

I'm middle of the road here. My friends all love the game more then I do at the moment but I don't hate it.

Technically we're only at the 2 year late mark, as the originally expected delivery for the whole thing was December 2022, which is what I know I was expecting as 2020 was way too unrealistic for Adam. But it feels like we're still another 2 years out to get everything.

Of course Adam's timelines that were never kept pre-covid doesn't help people feel like delivery is much father behind.

I was mostly happy with the first KS, except that he cancelled the Lantern Festival.

The updates feel less coherent than the first KS, and he seems to be stuck working on the Gambler’s Chest and nothing else, at least nothing I pledged for.

And don’t poo-poo complaining in the internet. It’s an entertaining and sometimes cathartic way to let off steam.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I feel I'm one of the only few left on Dakka that is still somewhat optimistic about the whole mess and keeps an eye on things.

I'll be more than happy to swoop in and start picking up extra armor kits and whatnot when everyone floods the market in disgust.

Sucks that a lot of pepole spent more than they should have, especially knowing it wasn't the most financially sound decision backing a project from a known perfectionist/ procrastinator.

I don't think I'll ever understand the furious indignation people seem to spew all over the internet though- their game will come.

Did nobody learn anything from the first time around? I don't think Adam or many backers did.

It's way, way worse than last time though. It's taking as long to deliver the GC as it did the entire first KS or something close to that. Admittedly, COVID, but I do think the frustration is understandable. Its a game that requires a lot in terms of investment of time and lives move on, I think the reality is for a lot of people that their lives are simply no longer configured in such a way to support that. Bear in mind the board game hobby community is somewhat different - there's no local play groups for KDM and people don't necessarily have the same amount time carved out in their lives - wargaming demands a lot of time for painting etc. whereas board gaming can flex a bit more. You can still be into board games and not have time for a long campaign game any more.


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 Monkeysloth wrote:
I'm middle of the road here. My friends all love the game more then I do at the moment but I don't hate it.

Technically we're only at the 2 year late mark, as the originally expected delivery for the whole thing was December 2022, which is what I know I was expecting as 2020 was way too unrealistic for Adam. But it feels like we're still another 2 years out to get everything.

Of course Adam's timelines that were never kept pre-covid doesn't help people feel like delivery is much father behind.

I think two years is optimistic for just the GC and Campaigns of Death.
I genuinely expect wave 4 to split into 4 or 5 chunks that deliver every 2 years over the next decade.

Dude's gonna pay himself a couple hundred grand a year out of the KS fund to lounge around and do feth all. Each Black Friday he tosses out some art of floppy tits and fat asses to get more suckers to pour cash into the coffers for something he never even has to deliver. It's a damn good scam.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Dude's gonna pay himself a couple hundred grand a year out of the KS fund to lounge around and do feth all. Each Black Friday he tosses out some art of floppy tits and fat asses to get more suckers to pour cash into the coffers for something he never even has to deliver. It's a damn good scam.

Hey now the tits are perky and the asses are thicc, not fat! 😉
They’re fun to paint though.


I have no horse in this race. I just enjoy painting the pin up models once in a while.

> Sucks that a lot of pepole spent more than they should have, especially knowing it wasn't the most financially sound decision backing a project from a known perfectionist/ procrastinator.

THEY WERE WARNED .

I'm going through the Blacklist Games Fantasy Series drama. KDM is NOTHING compared to that!

Only looked at the KDM mini's and haven't cracked open the inner shrinkwraps (which is more than I've done for some of my games so I don't feel I have any right to complain. And I got some games for Christmas that should keep me busy -- gee, I even played one of them once!

Can't speak for others obviously, but I wonder how many disgruntled backers are basically in the same situation as me, where they love the Kingdom Death brand but pretty much hate the guy and the way he does things?

I felt like I had to back the Kickstarter, despite my misgivings, because I wanted the stuff and it was going to be far too difficult/expensive to get it at retail, and even though you know you'll get everything in the end, you feel kinda trapped and at the mercy of Poots's whims, and the longer it takes and the more nonsense you put up with, the more angry and frustrated you get at having to get onboard in the first place.

Realising I'd lost interest in a big chunk of the Kickstarter (I just want a couple of expansions and a load of armour kits now) and cashing out actually did wonders for my enthusiasm for all things KD.

 ced1106 wrote:
> Sucks that a lot of pepole spent more than they should have, especially knowing it wasn't the most financially sound decision backing a project from a known perfectionist/ procrastinator.

THEY WERE WARNED .

The thing is, you can go back and look at the KS, and yes, there were warnings, but most of them were "expect it to be a couple of years late"
Absolutely no one said "don't expect to have any new gameplay content for five years"
People were talking worst case scenarios and such and no-one thought it would be this late.

Is there any KDM at retail?

I think all retail is only through his own storefront, IIRC he had his reasons for this move, but it's been aeons ago since I read that in a newsletter of his.

 BrookM wrote:
I think all retail is only through his own storefront, IIRC he had his reasons for this move, but it's been aeons ago since I read that in a newsletter of his.

Thanks. I have often wondered why something that should be huge didn't have a presence outside of their own storefront.

If they wanted to keep them limited boutique minis why proceed with a game and KS (or maybe the scarcity provided by the KS delays is somehow a cunning plan to keep the oiks from throwing even more money Poots' way?)

Kickstarter/Backerkit is actually the best way to keep things exclusive and limited. I can’t even find a single article detailing what’s supposed to be in the $2100 mega bundle that they did when the preorders for 1.6 were open. IIRC it was a bunch of expansions that aren’t available yet and everything in the Gambler’s Chest.

So if someone who is sorta in the loop of Kingdom Death can’t even find proof something was for sale, Adam is doing a great job keeping the common man out of the picture. I think that at this point he doesn’t want more sales when he hasn’t even delivered on goods he sold years ago.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I think all retail is only through his own storefront, IIRC he had his reasons for this move, but it's been aeons ago since I read that in a newsletter of his.

Thanks. I have often wondered why something that should be huge didn't have a presence outside of their own storefront.

If they wanted to keep them limited boutique minis why proceed with a game and KS (or maybe the scarcity provided by the KS delays is somehow a cunning plan to keep the oiks from throwing even more money Poots' way?)

Because if he sold into retail that $200 core box would have to sell for twice that if not more? KD was really the first big box of miniatures that couldn't justify being in stores that's common now. He sells on his store because he can make a profit, more profit, there then retail where he has to sell to distributors for 30%-40% of retail pricing. Fredrik, owner of monolith, had a blog post a few years ago where he broke down costs for his games and why they weren't viable to be in general retail.

This is honestly why his company hasn't gone under and it the smartest thing he's done. He's also lucky to have the demand that he can just sell directly and not worry about retail.