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I ended up dropping the gamblers chest, just wasnt enough sculpts that were must owns for me in the end.

My pledge (for now)

1.5 upgrade
Hero's expansion
Dragon king
Dung beetle
Lion knight
Manhunter

~270

That gives me all the original expansions besides the tree, which I have zero interest in.

I can see myself probably adding all the new expansions depending on the timing and length of the inevitable post campaign pledge manager.

$1022
Black Friday Gambler's
Promos of Death
Pathfinder crossover
Candy crossover
Amy crossover
Hyperlight crossover

Ended up with the returning gamers lantern, will be adding spidicules, lonely tree, slenderman, Amy, Candy and possibly some other odds and sods if I can when the PM opens

Do

Is this the part of the thread where we list our purchasing accomplishments?

I got a pony.


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 Mymearan wrote:
Do

Just curious, but did you mean "d'oh"?

So anyone else expecting either the Abyssal Woods or Ivory Dragon to be cancelled in three years because it just didn't meet Poots expectations, like he did with the Lantern Festival?

Loopstah wrote:
So anyone else expecting either the Abyssal Woods or Ivory Dragon to be cancelled in three years because it just didn't meet Poots expectations, like he did with the Lantern Festival?

Absolutely.

Loopstah wrote:
So anyone else expecting either the Abyssal Woods or Ivory Dragon to be cancelled in three years because it just didn't meet Poots expectations, like he did with the Lantern Festival?

I wouldn't necessarily be surprised but I'm not expecting it - I'm sure he has actually learned some stuff from the first Kickstarter.

My worry is that Ivory Dragon was totally unplanned (apparently) and the Abyssal Woods sounds like it's going to be more expensive than he might be planning on.

I think the plastic game board may be more likely a candidate for delays or cancellation.

Has anyone else been charged for the kickstarter yet? I have not and I am a little worried.

Nothing has shown up yet on my card.

Nothing here either, maybe this is the one that broke Kickstarter then?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Loopstah wrote:
So anyone else expecting either the Abyssal Woods or Ivory Dragon to be cancelled in three years because it just didn't meet Poots expectations, like he did with the Lantern Festival?

Absolutely.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that one of the big expansions will get dropped, and I'd extend that chance to to the Silver City Expansion.

I'm guessing that the biggest probability will be the Abyssal Woods due to the sheer cost of producing the 20+ miniatures, and that he won't like how it interacts with the rest of the game or something like that. The big difference will be that the Abyssal Woods is costing backers $150 and shipping, where as the Lantern Festival was only $45 with free* shipping, so the cost of a mass refund will hit much harder. Ivory Dragon because Poots won't like the way it works as an end to the game - same thing with Lantern Festival, and the Silver City due to the same idea. Anything that adds either a major location or a large change in the game experience, and many models to the game, I feel has the potential of getting put on the chopping block.

I talked to Poots for quite a while at gen con about the lantern festival. He was quite frank in the intent was to make an extension beyond any campaign, whether it be core, dragon king or sunstalker and they just couldn't make it work during play testing. The campaigns were just too different to plug in the same extension at year 25 (guessing this is where the node system ended up coming from). Based on the talk, I wasn't all that surprised when the lantern festival was cancelled and took away that they just weren't able to make it work as intended. I don't think there was any malice in the thought, but more the refusal the bang a square peg in a round hole.

I don't think he'll do another Interest Free Loan/Cancellation this time around.

(I hope!)

Anyone do a comparison of the Expansion Price is 1.0 vs. in 1.5?

That might give us an indication of...something.

And, as noted, there's no 'free shipping' this time around, so we'll all be paying 'actual costs' now - and if he's smart, and he is, he'll work out a deal with UPS or somesuch and actually probably make money there too.

I wonder how many more millions he'll make IF he allows add ons in the PM?

Maybe... $4M - $5M more, minimum?

Triple9 wrote:
I talked to Poots for quite a while at gen con about the lantern festival. He was quite frank in the intent was to make an extension beyond any campaign, whether it be core, dragon king or sunstalker and they just couldn't make it work during play testing. The campaigns were just too different to plug in the same extension at year 25 (guessing this is where the node system ended up coming from). Based on the talk, I wasn't all that surprised when the lantern festival was cancelled and took away that they just weren't able to make it work as intended. I don't think there was any malice in the thought, but more the refusal the bang a square peg in a round hole.

No I agree; I highly doubt that cancelling it was done maliciously, but I don't think that the satisfaction of the game/rule contents was the only factor. I do believe that the full cost of production and shipping would have cost more than the cost of a full refund, and that that had a major factor in the cancellation. What becomes aspects included in the Advanced rules and the Campaigns of Death expansion will be interesting.



On another note, my payment and funding confirmation just happened, so that's good.


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 Alpharius wrote:
I don't think he'll do another Interest Free Loan/Cancellation this time around.

(I hope!)

Anyone do a comparison of the Expansion Price is 1.0 vs. in 1.5?

That might give us an indication of...something.

And, as noted, there's no 'free shipping' this time around, so we'll all be paying 'actual costs' now - and if he's smart, and he is, he'll work out a deal with UPS or somesuch and actually probably make money there too.

I wonder how many more millions he'll make IF he allows add ons in the PM?

Maybe... $4M - $5M more, minimum?

Yeah, I think the higher prices and having shipping included will make the cancellation much harder to do, but I still wouldn't be surprised is something gets pulled from being an option (Plastic Board).

I'm sure the PM will allow for additional funds, and I'm sure that it will be opened multiple times. I doubt all of the renders and masters will be done by the time he has to collect shipping information for the first wave, and I'm sure he knows that he'll be able to pull in several million dollar more (that won't have the KS tax) after the renders are made and people like the models. But I'm wondering if he limits the amount of money a person will be able to add, or the number of expansions etc. as a means of keeping the amount he has to produce for the KS down to more predictable/anticipated levels, and to have a market for the expansions to sell after fulfillment.

Smellingsalts wrote:
Has anyone else been charged for the kickstarter yet? I have not and I am a little worried.

I'm not worried. It is the weekend, and I'm willing to bet that, given the amount of money involved, someone at Kickstarter has to manually review and approve the project before hitting the "take all the monies" button.

 Alpharius wrote:

I wonder how many more millions he'll make IF he allows add ons in the PM?

Maybe... $4M - $5M more, minimum?

I would honestly be flabbergasted if he didn't allow additions in the pledge manager. Given how many of the expansions were just a few images of concept art, it would have been a hard sell to get some people on board at some of those prices without renders. But once there are renders? I expect people will be clamoring for more. I couldn't justify going for the Ivory Dragon based off a blurry drawing. But if the renders wow me, hell yes I would go for it. Plus, there has to be a mechanism in place to allow people to make up for the difference if they didn't calculate their initial pledge correctly.

What I don't expect, however, is for Poots to reopen the pledge manager multiple times. Open the PM once all the renders are in to let people finalize their pledges, then close it for good and submit the orders to the factories.

Bob: no, I was editing a double post and Dakka removed one of them automatically, so both posts disappeared... I guess "d'oh" would be the appropriate response...

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Well $355 in the end. Aiming for

Black Friday Lantern
Dragon God
Dung Beetle Knight
Gorm

I admire your self control. Mine was $770 for
Black Friday Lantern
Dragon King
Lion God
Silver City
Oblivion Mosquito
Screaming God
Nightmare Ram
Ivory Dragon
Abyssal Woods

Yeah I didn't see a point in buying expansions coming out in 2-3 years since I don't even know if I'll still be playing the game by then

My money's gone through now (not sure if that's a good or bad thing haha).

I just got charged as well, so it seems to be in full swing finally.

As I mentioned previously I don't think he can afford to cancel any expansions this time around because of refunds to the all-in pledges. I expect all of them to ship even if some of the gameplay isn't quite up to the previous standard (I'm sure the minis will still be high quality).

I wonder if the 12 million dollars people just gave him will be enough that all the plastic minis he make might, just might *gasp* - be available in his webstore at all times for people to buy when they so desire.

Schmapdi wrote:
I wonder if the 12 million dollars people just gave him will be enough that all the plastic minis he make might, just might *gasp* - be available in his webstore at all times for people to buy when they so desire.

If he could play the game right, he could have himself an ongoing gaming company, in relation to his "Boutique" shtick... The games technical aspect gives it a lot of breathing space that, after you get your head around it, SHOULD give people the options of getting all of the material, as an ongoing product line.

In case people don't know it, you are going to die ALOT, and the settlements do not honestly last long enough to go into the high number of years...

I do not think people realize how honestly brutal this game really plays. A word of warning for you just starting- don't fall in love with your settlers, they do not last. These monsters, and the gameplay after effects have more influence then people are getting after the high of the drug of a KS completion. Even a Lion can make short work of a team, let alone something as docile as a Butcher. 3 levels of each monster.... Ask the question of how evil are we talking about some of these 3rd level new inclusions... I don't believe that some of these higher level armor sets that we already have on deck will save your settlers.

I like the game, but be warned, you can easily start having buyers remorse after a few of your settlements go to !@#$. And that is only with the base boxed set.

Well, I think most people *do* know this, and that's why you'll often read things like "don't get too attached to your survivors"!

It *is* all about the settlement.

Also, who knows what the 1.5 changes will bring?

As well as the 'advanced' rules?

But yes, at the end of the day, he's clearly influenced by Dark Souls, Monster Hunter and other "Hopeless" Man v Monster things - things are gonna be grim!

I finally got charged!

YAY

Triple9 wrote:
I talked to Poots for quite a while at gen con about the lantern festival. He was quite frank in the intent was to make an extension beyond any campaign, whether it be core, dragon king or sunstalker and they just couldn't make it work during play testing. The campaigns were just too different to plug in the same extension at year 25 (guessing this is where the node system ended up coming from). Based on the talk, I wasn't all that surprised when the lantern festival was cancelled and took away that they just weren't able to make it work as intended. I don't think there was any malice in the thought, but more the refusal the bang a square peg in a round hole.

It's too bad he couldn't give us the option of receiving the miniatures by themselves, then. I'm sure somebody would have figured out a workable solution.

I would have preferred a miniatures-only option myself, but it would get complicated.

Some people are into the game as well and the Lantern Festival was a promise of game rules. Do you refund only people that elect to get a refund?

Once some people get their minis and the Lantern Festival actually comes out 25yr from now, what happens then? Do you have the people that have the minis purchase the minis+rules anew? Do you have two separate products with one for people that want just the rules?

What happens when/if the Lantern Festival does come out and has different monsters in it? There are only so much thematic ties that you can build between an aristocratic lady in fine clothes with a pistol, a giant naked dude on a throne, and an ooze-like amalgamation of babies. What happens when Poots decides to remove the Hunter minis and instead add something else. Then we have people that have the minis, but the wrong minis.

Cancelling it altogether was probably the best choice logistically. I personally wanted it for the minis, but rules/lore would have been cool too. I would have loved to learn how the lady with the pistol has a pistol and the city she's from. I want guns that fire more than once (I'm looking at you, Manhunter).

I am really curious how they are going to manage to add in a future Lantern festival, if they do at all. They may just add the King, similar to what they are planning with the Ivory dragon, but I think that may be a bit of a let down since the King seems so much more badass.


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 RivenSkull wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Loopstah wrote:
So anyone else expecting either the Abyssal Woods or Ivory Dragon to be cancelled in three years because it just didn't meet Poots expectations, like he did with the Lantern Festival?

Absolutely.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that one of the big expansions will get dropped, and I'd extend that chance to to the Silver City Expansion.

I'm guessing that the biggest probability will be the Abyssal Woods due to the sheer cost of producing the 20+ miniatures, and that he won't like how it interacts with the rest of the game or something like that. The big difference will be that the Abyssal Woods is costing backers $150 and shipping, where as the Lantern Festival was only $45 with free* shipping, so the cost of a mass refund will hit much harder. Ivory Dragon because Poots won't like the way it works as an end to the game - same thing with Lantern Festival, and the Silver City due to the same idea. Anything that adds either a major location or a large change in the game experience, and many models to the game, I feel has the potential of getting put on the chopping block.

If anything was to get cancelled at this point, I would suspect it would be the Ivory Dragon. The Abyssal Woods expansion at the very least seems to be an entire campgein built around it, with the the option of just adding the Goblin King as a Node 3/5 monster. I think that will work fine. The Ivory Dragon I think would have the most issues, just due to it being a small concept at this point, which feels rather thrown together to me. We will see!

I didn't get in time for the kickstarter but I can't wait to see the paintjobs for the Sci Fi Aya and the Hyperlight.

Also will be scouring ebay for both of those.

From Thomas Davids Blog



Kingdom Death; The Dragon Goblin!


Hello everyone!

Kingdom Death; Monster 1.5 Kickstarter is now over! After one day of rest it's time to share the BIGGEST (by far) monster I've ever made!

This is the Goblin King, a creature so big and detailed (and so strange) that I spent 5 intense months of work doing it two years ago! It was really insane! I've tried to do my best one this one and Adam Poots have been really patient because it was long and hard but I hope it's worth it.

But only you will judge the monster. I've lost my mind doing it!

When I said it's big, well, it's like a small cat! 230mm tall, 250mm long!

All done with Fimo, Magic sculpt, Epoxy putty.



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really interesting that the death chicken has been done for 2 years, just goes to show how much thought/work goes into all of this and hopefully reassure folk that the Abysal Woods expansion is probably well in hand