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You're right. I've not shot an AR-15 "pistol." My son however is a physics major and I have slept at a Holiday Inn.
Why is it the AR fanboys can't accept that other people prefer different choices than your coyote gun?
I dont care what you shoot, so as long as you are shooting.
It just sounded like you never shot an AR pistol.
Thank you for answering my assertion. - Respect
Happy shooting!
I should not have mentioned Holiday Inn. That led me to thinking about breakfast there, which led me to thinking about breakfast which led me to thinking about sausage and BACON!!!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
You're right. I've not shot an AR-15 "pistol." My son however is a physics major and I have slept at a Holiday Inn.
Why is it the AR fanboys can't accept that other people prefer different choices than your coyote gun?
I dont care what you shoot, so as long as you are shooting.
It just sounded like you never shot an AR pistol.
Thank you for answering my assertion. - Respect
Happy shooting!
I should not have mentioned Holiday Inn. That led me to thinking about breakfast there, which led me to thinking about breakfast which led me to thinking about sausage and BACON!!!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
You're right. I've not shot an AR-15 "pistol." My son however is a physics major and I have slept at a Holiday Inn.
Why is it the AR fanboys can't accept that other people prefer different choices than your coyote gun?
I dont care what you shoot, so as long as you are shooting.
It just sounded like you never shot an AR pistol.
Thank you for answering my assertion. - Respect
Happy shooting!
I should not have mentioned Holiday Inn. That led me to thinking about breakfast there, which led me to thinking about breakfast which led me to thinking about sausage and BACON!!!
Frazzled wrote: You're right. I've not shot an AR-15 "pistol."
You should try it. While I also am likely to go for my pistol at home if there is an emergency just because I'm much more familiar with it, the AR pistol is rapidly becoming my favorite gun to shoot.
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Frazzled wrote: You're right. I've not shot an AR-15 "pistol."
You should try it. While I also am likely to go for my pistol at home if there is an emergency just because I'm much more familiar with it, the AR pistol is rapidly becoming my favorite gun to shoot.
Understand. As stated before, it doesn't fit into a quick open safe and my wife can't wield it.
I'm saving valuable dollars for: Dillon Loader; Beretta storm 9mm carbine, or inexpensive bolt action 30.06 from Mossberg/Ruger but not necessarily in that order.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
You're right. I've not shot an AR-15 "pistol." My son however is a physics major and I have slept at a Holiday Inn.
Why is it the AR fanboys can't accept that other people prefer different choices than your coyote gun?
I dont care what you shoot, so as long as you are shooting.
It just sounded like you never shot an AR pistol.
Thank you for answering my assertion. - Respect
Happy shooting!
I should not have mentioned Holiday Inn. That led me to thinking about breakfast there, which led me to thinking about breakfast which led me to thinking about sausage and BACON!!!
Frazzled wrote: You're right. I've not shot an AR-15 "pistol."
You should try it. While I also am likely to go for my pistol at home if there is an emergency just because I'm much more familiar with it, the AR pistol is rapidly becoming my favorite gun to shoot.
Understand. As stated before, it doesn't fit into a quick open safe and my wife can't wield it.
I'm saving valuable dollars for: Dillon Loader; Beretta storm 9mm carbine, or inexpensive bolt action 30.06 from Mossberg/Ruger but not necessarily in that order.
Btw, Storm Carbine is a really handy and pleasant carbine to shoot. Wife had that before switching to the PS90.
yellowfever wrote: I'm carrying a G23/G19. I have both. The G23 Is modified. Right now I've been going OWB at 5 o'clock. I have been considering appendex carry though.
If you want to try IWB, I know some people really like N82 Tactical.
yellowfever wrote: I'm carrying a G23/G19. I have both. The G23 Is modified. Right now I've been going OWB at 5 o'clock. I have been considering appendex carry though.
If you want to try IWB, I know some people really like N82 Tactical.
They're pretty comfortable but the draw is atrocious - ended up giving mine to a buddy.
yellowfever wrote: I'm carrying a G23/G19. I have both. The G23 Is modified. Right now I've been going OWB at 5 o'clock. I have been considering appendex carry though.
If you want to try IWB, I know some people really like N82 Tactical.
They're pretty comfortable but the draw is atrocious - ended up giving mine to a buddy.
Is the draw slow because you have to get your hand in between the gun and the padding?
yellowfever wrote: I'm carrying a G23/G19. I have both. The G23 Is modified. Right now I've been going OWB at 5 o'clock. I have been considering appendex carry though.
If you want to try IWB, I know some people really like N82 Tactical.
They're pretty comfortable but the draw is atrocious - ended up giving mine to a buddy.
Is the draw slow because you have to get your hand in between the gun and the padding?
You nailed it!
Wedging your thumb in there is difficult as the padding covers most of the grip surface too, and it's very easy to accidentally slip your thumb into the wrong side of the padding.
Also very tough to reholster, if that's important to you.
Btw, Storm Carbine is a really handy and pleasant carbine to shoot. Wife had that before switching to the PS90.
Thats the idea. She can shoot it and I can use it for hack short range carbine competitions if I want and not blow the $ bank on ammo.
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yellowfever wrote: I want to try IWB but having a hard time finding a holster I like. I keep going back to my bladetech
Go with what you prefer.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
HickOK45 did a video on the Chiappa Rhino which I had forgotten about. Now I'm really wanting to shoot one and possibly but one. Anyone have experience with the pistol and company in general?
KingCracker wrote: HickOK45 did a video on the Chiappa Rhino which I had forgotten about. Now I'm really wanting to shoot one and possibly but one. Anyone have experience with the pistol and company in general?
I made an interview at a local gun store (in the sense of I went in and made the opportunity vs. being offered one), and while I was in the store, in front of the owner made a 200% up sell on a sale. Think he'll hire me?
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Sales chops are one thing I have. I made pretty good money for the minis company I was an account manager for, but I do better in person to person sales or "belly to belly" as it used to be called. I put guys into army boxes and stuff they hadn't even considered just by talking to them a little bit. "So you want to do X faction but something different? I have a army box that is pretty unique compared to normal X armies, and it plays goddess damn mean.
For the curious, the up sell was getting a MagPul BAD Lever. "I use bipods a lot, I'm trying to do long range stuff "Hate trying to find the button or smacking your rifle and going slightly off target?" "Yes." "Why don't you have one already then?" Know the product, know implementation in a variety of ways, and find customers who want that stuff. You don't sell a guy what he wants. He's already buying that. You're selling him gear he didn't know he needs yet.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
yellowfever wrote: Not to derail the thread but anyone have recommendations on some good CCW holsters. A few months ago I moved to a free state and started carrying. Right now I have a bladetech eclipse that I slightly modified. Looking at the G-CODE incog.
Comp-Tac makes pretty good CCW holsters. I carry a G23 IWB @ 3:00 daily in a Comp-tac CTAC with a forward cant so that it can still be drawn while sitting in a car. It's tuckable, so you can put on a dress shirt or other button up shirt, and still be concealed.
I also have one of the budget Spartan MTACs for OWB carry. It's a little more comfortable than the IWB, but harder to conceal unless you're just draping a long shirt over it or a jacket in winter.
I may be getting a Comp-Tac Infidel holster. If I do I'll let you know how that one works out.
In other news, I just inherited a Mossberg 500/510 my from my father. He swapped the longer hunting barrel out for a 590 barrel, so it's a bit easier for carry and storage. I just need to change out the wood furniture for some Magpul plastic or something else more durable.
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Things have been changing over at Armalite. There’s been an invasion of 3-gun shooters, and it has had a radical impact on the company’s products. They’ve gone from producing National Match style AR-15 rifles that wouldn’t have looked out of place in the 1990’s to offering what might be the slickest 3-gun rifle on the market in less than a year, and the man behind the push is Tommy Thacker, former 3-Gun Nation national champion and pro 3-gun shooter. The flagship product they are leading off this new charge with is their M-15 3-Gun Rifle, a gun designed to Tommy’s specifications, and it might just be the new go-to gold standard for 3-gunners.
Karla wrote up her first impressions of the 13.5 inch version of this gun a while back, and she had nothing but good things to say. Karla is an amazing 3-gun shooter and someone I learned a lot from while I was on the FNH USA 3-Gun team a while back, so I respect her opinion when it comes to firearms. She loves the 13.5 inch version, but I very much prefer a little extra barrel length on my guns so I asked for an 18″ version to test out and review.
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The very first thing people notice about this gun is the muzzle brake. Even when I pulled it out of the box at the gun shop, that’s what drew my dealer’s interest the most. There isn’t really a ton of recoil associated with the 5.56 NATO cartridge, but when you’re in a competition where fractions of a second matter every little bit of help matters. The brake is an Armalite design, with three chambers and intended to allow the end user to custom tune the exhaust to exactly match their gun and their ammo. The screws on the side of the brake regulate the amount of gas being expelled in each direction, so you can tinker to your heart’s delight with just a flathead screwdriver and some free time on the range. Even so, as-is from the factory it was pretty much spot on.
The brake does an excellent job — recoil is almost nonexistent, and getting fast follow-up shots is easy as pie. In fact, a French journalist I was at the range with said she didn’t like it as much as other guns because it just didn’t have any recoil. She preferred the SIG SAUER 556xi Russian.
Another factor impacting that recoil is the adjustable gas block. Hidden under the handguards, the low profile gas block can actually be adjusted so that there’s barely enough gas coming back to cycle the action. A finely tuned gas system will keep the bolt carrier from slamming around like a 500 pound man throwing a temper tantrum, which in turn will keep your gun from being jolted off target. The gas block can be user adjusted, so even if you change your loads and need to re-calibrate your gas system its all within your capabilities. All good things.
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The barrel on the gun is stainless steel (for extra bling — no use winning a competition if you don’t look fabulous doing it) and sports a medium profile throughout the entire length. Even though the barrel is 18″ instead of 16″ like most 3-gun rifles, it still feels remarkably light to hold and easy to maneuver. The barrel is chambered in .223 Wylde, a compromise chambering between 5.56 NATO and .223 Remington that combines the best parts of each chamber to provide what many consider to be a more accurate barrel.
Surrounding that barrel is a custom handguard that Armalite is now selling as a separate piece for project guns. The concept is something I wish more gun manufacturers would embrace: just enough rail for the job, and standard options for when you need more. The top rail on the handguard has been mostly removed, with only a little bit left at the very end for mounting iron sights or such. But while the handguard is slimmer and slicker than most 3-gun rifles out there, the end user still has the option to add more stuff. They’ve used the keymod standard mounting system for this handguard, so if you feel the need for more rails you’re only an Amazon order away — no proprietary pieces to buy.
That slimmer profile handguard not only saves on weight and improves ergonomics, but it also adds to the usability. Eliminating that rail section allows optics with large objective lenses to be mounted closer to the rail, which lowers height-over-bore error and should make for more accurate shooting.
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The receiver set is pretty standard. There’s nothing really special about the design, but the parts have been well selected. The trigger is a Timney 3-pound single stage trigger, which is a fine choice in both manufacturers and design and provides a very crisp and clean trigger pull. The safety is ambidextrous, meaning lefties and righties alike will be able to enjoy the firearm. The grip is an Ergo Grip, which isn’t my personal favorite but definitely an improvement over the usual A2 AR-15 grip. And rounding off the changes is a nifty bolt catch / release paddle that is designed to allow the user to lock the bolt back a little easier than normal. The charging handle is also ambidextrous for our south-pawed pals.
The real exciting part is in the rear.
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Most guns in this category just come with a Magpul CTR and call it done. Armalite went the extra step to actually put a proper stock on their gun, working with Luth-AR to get an Armalite branded version of their stock for the rifle. The real claim to fame of the Luth-AR MBA-1 stock is that it allows the end user to adjust both the length of pull and the cheek riser height for maximum ergonomics, but adds only a little over a pound and a quarter to the gun. That’s a full half a pound less than a Magpul PRS stock, and damn near half the price, but with very similar ergonomic capabilities.
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Out on the range, all these parts really come together. The gun handles like a dream, and you can definitely feel that the action moves just enough to cycle — but not a millimeter more. To really see what she can do we strapped a U.S. Optics MR-10 to the top rail, shoved some Eagle Eye ammo in her, and let it rip. The results were, quite frankly, amazing.
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She’s a shooter, there’s no two ways about it. To be frank that’s the best group I had all day — the group size for this gun varies a bit depending on the diet you feed her but doesn’t exceed 1 MoA.
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The gun shoots, and it shoots well. Not only is it accurate, but it also recoils with only the faintest of shoves and stays rock-solid on target. The best part: all this can be yours for one simple payment of $1,599. That might seem like a good chunk of change, but considering what other firearms manufacturers are charging for their 3-gun rifles that’s a bargain. Colt Competition wants $500 more for their rifle. So does JP Enterprises. Stag offers a 3-gun rifle for the same price, but without all the bells and whistles you get here. In short, considering all the options, Armalite’s gun is the best bang for your 3-gun shooting buck.
Specifications: Armalite M-15 18″ 3-Gun Rifle
Caliber: .223 Wylde (5.56 NATO / .223 Remington)
Action: Semi-auto
Barrel: 18″
Magazine: One 30-Round Magazine included (takes standard AR-15 mags)
MSRP: $1,599
Website: Armalite.com
Ratings (out of five stars):
Accuracy: * * * * *
With good conditions (and before my morning cup of coffee) its a one-hole gun. On average, its 1/2 to 3/4 MoA. Meets and exceeds my 1 MoA for $1,000 benchmark.
Ergonomics: * * * * *
Everything on this gun feels perfect. The stock might seem a little plastic-y, but that’s because its made of plastic. Its solid as can be.
Reliability: * * * * *
No issues. We fired hundreds of rounds without a hiccup.
Customization: * * * * *
Adjustable gas system. Adjustable muzzle brake. Adjustable stock for comb height and length of pull. Picatinny rail. Kemod compatible handguards. I don’t think it could be any more customizable if you slapped a Transformer on it.
Overall: * * * * *
I like it. A lot. For the price, its damn hard to beat.
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Okay, so I have a problem maybe you all can help with.
Just sold off my sks (woo yay etc) and opened up my rifle case where my nugget has been sitting for a few months and im afraid it ruined and I don't know how.
Last I had it out, we shot I cleaned it after windexing immediately at the range and packed it up. It has surface rust all on the bolt, chamber and barrel. Is it worth trying to bathe and scrub/re-blue or should I just scrap this piece of history and try to find another?
Just sold off my sks (woo yay etc) and opened up my rifle case where my nugget has been sitting for a few months and im afraid it ruined and I don't know how.
Last I had it out, we shot I cleaned it after windexing immediately at the range and packed it up. It has surface rust all on the bolt, chamber and barrel. Is it worth trying to bathe and scrub/re-blue or should I just scrap this piece of history and try to find another?
ski2060 wrote: Yeah, try a soak in a rust remover, scrub it down, and oil it.
I've never heard of anyone using windex in any way on a firearm for cleaning.
It neutralizes the salts from corrosive ammo...common practice.
I finally got enough pieces to get my 6.8 AR shooting. Now I am looking for a good scope and waiting to get the money to buy a BCM Keymod 15" rail for it.
My fully welded Uzi receiver came in this weekend and I got my parts kit put together. I love that little thing so far and it was fun and really easy to assemble. Unfortunately semi auto bolts are dried up and I am having a devil of a time locating one.
As for the foreseeable future, I can't buy anything, other than an Uzi bolt if I find one. I just bought another car and want to spice it up some. So until I get my cars worked out I need to hold off on any expensive purchases.
I have too many hobbies...
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts."
Ruger LCR in .357, though I probably won't be shooting much .357 out of it.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
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