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Carry that with Hornady Critical Defense 38 Special +p. That's all I've ever carried in my S&W J Frame. They have a lot of kick to them but work really well for defense.

Thanks, I'll look into that, I picked up the .357 intending to primarily carry 38 special +P (and have the extra weight make follow-up shots easier).

Same ammo I use in my LCR. Good stuff!

Good to hear the same thing from multiple people on that, sounds solid. Thanks!

I would never describe .38 SP or .357 Mag as something you "have to deal with the recoil" on,

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I would never describe .38 SP or .357 Mag as something you "have to deal with the recoil" on,

I have no doubt that a high speed, low drag tier 1 pro operator like yourself can shoot +P loads out of a 13 oz snubbie all day long with no ill effects, but for us mere mortals it can take a bit of getting used to

Different folks have different levels of experience and tolerances for recoil. I would be willing to bet that most folks would describe shooting +P or .357 out of a snub revolver as uncomfortable.

No seriously. I don't think of myself as anything special. I found the .357 Mag to be disappointing almost as much gak as people talked about it recoiling. I'm not a huge guy either. I even walk with a cane for feth's sake. Maybe it's because .38 SP +Ps was the bulk of my non-military pistol shooting for an age, personally? I would proscribe a lot of people need to...

500 S&W or go home!

Harden the feth up!

Y'all are weaksauce if you can't handle firing 45-70 cradled in your ballsack.

Give me a break...

It's a 9mm round girl scout. Quit crying and trying to act like you're being oppressed because a round that doesn't really recoil, does not in point of fact really recoil.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
It's a 9mm round girl scout. Quit crying and trying to act like you're being oppressed because a round that doesn't really recoil, does not in point of fact really recoil.

I don't know that's fair to say...I had a Smith snubby in .38 that would routinely cut my hand when shooting, and I've got huge hands...been shooting for 24 years so it's not a limpgripping thing. Little airweights are pretty snappy even for experienced shooters, and that combined with small grips make them generally uncomfortable to shoot in .38 and downright miserable to shoot in .357.

Probably has just as much to do with the pistol itself as it does with the round.

I have an auto loading 12 gauge shotgon. Remington Versa Max synthetic stock. I can grab any kind and size of 12 gauge shell from 2 3/4" - 3 1/2" and load it in, even mixed up, without having to change the barrel or action. Very versatile in that regard allowing me to grab any shell I see and use it. 5 different chokes and pretapped for sights/scope. Barrel is pretty long, however, at 28" but I use this gun for overhead goose hunting with 3 1/2" steel shot. This gun can really beat your shoulder into hamburg when using that steel shot.

I intend to pick up a bolt action .308 rifle sometime in the future for deer, caribou and moose. Maybe even a .338 lapua with muzzle breach. Only interest I have in the .308 rnd is that it's cheap and literally everywhere but I'm a bit hesitant for moose. I hate just wounding the animal and having to spend the next 4+ hrs tracking it to finish the poor beast off.

I also have an old WWII era .22 bolt action rifle that I got from my grandfather. Very heavy, rugged, durable beast. Still accurate too, not surprised considering how thick and heavy the barrel is. It's a great varmint gun but in general I used it to practice my aim at a nearby sandpit.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
It's a 9mm round girl scout. Quit crying and trying to act like you're being oppressed because a round that doesn't really recoil, does not in point of fact really recoil.

I'll quit crying as soon as a slick pro operator like yourself comes to the realization that we're not all double hard bastards who barely register .357 rounds fired out of an airweight revolver, and that many of us mere mortals do actually have to cope with what we perceive to be uncomfortable recoil.

And cope we do.

Listen to Nuggz. He speaks truth.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Picked up this carry piece yesterday

Ruger LCR in .357, though I probably won't be shooting much .357 out of it.

Nice! Those LCRs are cool little guns. I know what you mean about shooting .357 out of such a small gun. I've never done it myself, but I've shot .38 Special +P out of a similar sized J-frame and the recoil is pretty robust. I can imagine .357 would have quite a bit more recoil. It's nice to have the option though.

I'll third the Hornady Critical Defense .38 Special +P as a carry round though. That should be a sufficient defensive round for a gun that size.


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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
It's a 9mm round girl scout. Quit crying and trying to act like you're being oppressed because a round that doesn't really recoil, does not in point of fact really recoil.

Have you fired .38 Special +P or .357 out of an airweight snubbie or equivalent?

ProwlerPC wrote:I have an auto loading 12 gauge shotgon. Remington Versa Max synthetic stock. I can grab any kind and size of 12 gauge shell from 2 3/4" - 3 1/2" and load it in, even mixed up, without having to change the barrel or action. Very versatile in that regard allowing me to grab any shell I see and use it. 5 different chokes and pretapped for sights/scope. Barrel is pretty long, however, at 28" but I use this gun for overhead goose hunting with 3 1/2" steel shot. This gun can really beat your shoulder into hamburg when using that steel shot.

I intend to pick up a bolt action .308 rifle sometime in the future for deer, caribou and moose. Maybe even a .338 lapua with muzzle breach. Only interest I have in the .308 rnd is that it's cheap and literally everywhere but I'm a bit hesitant for moose. I hate just wounding the animal and having to spend the next 4+ hrs tracking it to finish the poor beast off.

I also have an old WWII era .22 bolt action rifle that I got from my grandfather. Very heavy, rugged, durable beast. Still accurate too, not surprised considering how thick and heavy the barrel is. It's a great varmint gun but in general I used it to practice my aim at a nearby sandpit.

Nice stuff, keep in mind most .338 lapua stuff tends to be rather expensive however, at least from what I've seen. If you aren't trying to make 800m shots, .308 will probably be a better choice.

Hordini wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Picked up this carry piece yesterday

Ruger LCR in .357, though I probably won't be shooting much .357 out of it.

Nice! Those LCRs are cool little guns. I know what you mean about shooting .357 out of such a small gun. I've never done it myself, but I've shot .38 Special +P out of a similar sized J-frame and the recoil is pretty robust. I can imagine .357 would have quite a bit more recoil. It's nice to have the option though.

I'll third the Hornady Critical Defense .38 Special +P as a carry round though. That should be a sufficient defensive round for a gun that size.

Yeah, I got the .357 version as it was only a few dollars more from the place I picked it up at, and below MSRP, and I figure the extra couple ounces will help tame recoil in general, as you say, it's nice to have the option. I may try .357 for giggles, but that sub 2" barrel I think just generates too much flash and blast for what I'd like to deal with as a carry round if I have to take a follow up shot, particularly if in cramped and/or low light conditions.

I've heard consistently good things about Hornady CD and Speer Gold Dot thus far.

Speer makes a great load. I use Gold Dots in my M&P pistols and my Wife's G19.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
It's a 9mm round girl scout. Quit crying and trying to act like you're being oppressed because a round that doesn't really recoil, does not in point of fact really recoil.

I don't know that's fair to say...I had a Smith snubby in .38 that would routinely cut my hand when shooting, and I've got huge hands...been shooting for 24 years so it's not a limpgripping thing. Little airweights are pretty snappy even for experienced shooters, and that combined with small grips make them generally uncomfortable to shoot in .38 and downright miserable to shoot in .357.

Probably has just as much to do with the pistol itself as it does with the round.

Indeed. I have a .44 model 29 that I would hotload and could shoot with great joy. Later I acquired .45 ACP ultra carry, and it made my hand shake after 14 rounds.

Shoot what you like and can afford.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
It's a 9mm round girl scout. Quit crying and trying to act like you're being oppressed because a round that doesn't really recoil, does not in point of fact really recoil.

Perceived recoil is a funny thing. Grips and how your hand interacts with them (which is not all skill based) can make huge difference in perceived recoil. Not to mention the many different loads for .38, .357, and 9mm. I can tell you shooting a LCR in 9mm all day long is nothing like shooting even a small frame 9mm semi auto. but hey, maybe you slam fire 12guage rounds off your nut sack. You do have Marine in your user name

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
but hey, maybe you slam fire 12guage rounds off your nut sack.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
It's a 9mm round girl scout. Quit crying and trying to act like you're being oppressed because a round that doesn't really recoil, does not in point of fact really recoil.

I don't know that's fair to say...I had a Smith snubby in .38 that would routinely cut my hand when shooting, and I've got huge hands...been shooting for 24 years so it's not a limpgripping thing. Little airweights are pretty snappy even for experienced shooters, and that combined with small grips make them generally uncomfortable to shoot in .38 and downright miserable to shoot in .357.

Probably has just as much to do with the pistol itself as it does with the round.

A light weight revolver with a short barrel was literally my only pistol for four or five years and that little .38 was my carry. Still do carry it as it happens. So maybe it's just me not being as limp wristed and soft handed as momma's little darling over there, but a .38 does not recoil. I've put plenty of that ammo in a wide variety of barrels and pistol weight configurations down range to be perfectly fine saying that. Cause I'm right.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
It's a 9mm round girl scout. Quit crying and trying to act like you're being oppressed because a round that doesn't really recoil, does not in point of fact really recoil.

Perceived recoil is a funny thing. Grips and how your hand interacts with them (which is not all skill based) can make huge difference in perceived recoil. Not to mention the many different loads for .38, .357, and 9mm. I can tell you shooting a LCR in 9mm all day long is nothing like shooting even a small frame 9mm semi auto. but hey, maybe you slam fire 12guage rounds off your nut sack. You do have Marine in your user name

Don't wear the title out mate, it took a lot of work to earn. Not sure what the tactical efficiency or training usage of the slam fire nutsack maneuver would be though. Army technique instead of Marine perhaps? We tend to go for a nice solid shouldered rifle or a two handed pistol grip for killing bad guys. Personally I prefer a aircraft mounted M2, because feth you and your friends. However, I won't disocunt the possibility that the 12 Gauge Nutsack Slamfire could be of some use to someone. We should ask Alex, he seems to be the world's leading expert in firearms, recoil and their real world practical application when he's not clinging to apron strings.

Funnily enough I do wear an apron in my professional capacity

Anyway I'm done arguing. To each their own. We're all individuals with our own tolerances

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
It's a 9mm round girl scout. Quit crying and trying to act like you're being oppressed because a round that doesn't really recoil, does not in point of fact really recoil.

I don't know that's fair to say...I had a Smith snubby in .38 that would routinely cut my hand when shooting, and I've got huge hands...been shooting for 24 years so it's not a limpgripping thing. Little airweights are pretty snappy even for experienced shooters, and that combined with small grips make them generally uncomfortable to shoot in .38 and downright miserable to shoot in .357.

Probably has just as much to do with the pistol itself as it does with the round.

A light weight revolver with a short barrel was literally my only pistol for four or five years and that little .38 was my carry. Still do carry it as it happens. So maybe it's just me not being as limp wristed and soft handed as momma's little darling over there, but a .38 does not recoil. I've put plenty of that ammo in a wide variety of barrels and pistol weight configurations down range to be perfectly fine saying that. Cause I'm right.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
It's a 9mm round girl scout. Quit crying and trying to act like you're being oppressed because a round that doesn't really recoil, does not in point of fact really recoil.

Perceived recoil is a funny thing. Grips and how your hand interacts with them (which is not all skill based) can make huge difference in perceived recoil. Not to mention the many different loads for .38, .357, and 9mm. I can tell you shooting a LCR in 9mm all day long is nothing like shooting even a small frame 9mm semi auto. but hey, maybe you slam fire 12guage rounds off your nut sack. You do have Marine in your user name

Don't wear the title out mate, it took a lot of work to earn. Not sure what the tactical efficiency or training usage of the slam fire nutsack maneuver would be though. Army technique instead of Marine perhaps? We tend to go for a nice solid shouldered rifle or a two handed pistol grip for killing bad guys. Personally I prefer a aircraft mounted M2, because feth you and your friends. However, I won't disocunt the possibility that the 12 Gauge Nutsack Slamfire could be of some use to someone. We should ask Alex, he seems to be the world's leading expert in firearms, recoil and their real world practical application when he's not clinging to apron strings.

God you're such a wussy. A real man carries a double barreled Howda pistol. man up already.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

A light weight revolver with a short barrel was literally my only pistol for four or five years and that little .38 was my carry. Still do carry it as it happens. So maybe it's just me not being as limp wristed and soft handed as momma's little darling over there, but a .38 does not recoil. I've put plenty of that ammo in a wide variety of barrels and pistol weight configurations down range to be perfectly fine saying that. Cause I'm right.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_recoil_table.htm

.38 out of a 1 lb revolver has as much recoil velocity as a 10mm round out of a 2.25 lb pistol, and more recoil than .460 S&W magnum out of a 4.5 lb pistol.

Nuggz... are you an Arfcommer? And do I know you from DayZ?

 Vaktathi wrote:

Nice stuff, keep in mind most .338 lapua stuff tends to be rather expensive however, at least from what I've seen. If you aren't trying to make 800m shots, .308 will probably be a better choice.

Well I'm ok with spending up to $2000 or maybe more for a proper system. The ammo price and wide spread availability can impact my decision on which type of system to buy. 12 gauge shells are easy to come by and can be found almost virtually anywhere so getting a 12 gauge was an easy decision, I spent $1250 on one that will take any load to make it all that more convenient. When it'll come to rifle I'll have to agree with you that a .308 will probably be a better choice but for different reasons. I got no trouble finding rnds for a .338 lapua up here but I won't be up here much longer and I need to find how readily available and widespread the ammo is. I already know the .308 rnd can be found almost virtually everywhere just like the 12 gauge shell so at the very least I'll fall back on a .308

I'm glad you noted the limited range of a .308. While I don't think I'll always do it but if the rifle fires off a fast enough bullet to keep accurate then I don't mind doing shots over 800m but the more important reason I'd try for something bigger then a .308 shell is specifically for moose hunting. The little extra punch needed to get through the shoulder plate makes for a much easier worry free shot, heck I'd even grab a .50 cal bolt action TAC-50 from Mcmillan if it wasn't a whopping $7999 bare bones. I've seen many moose in my 30+ decades of life and there's odd time I've seen hunters screw up when shooting them. What follows after is a horrible experience of hard labour, discomfort and incovenience. It's one of those things that convinces me that a bit of overkill without blowing up the food with explosives is kinda nice.

I got a song for you KalashnikovMarine!

It's best to get what your comfortable with screw what anyone else thinks. In the academy I saw a 110 pound female handle a 12ga like she was born with it. Even the wanna be tough guys were impressed

ski2060 wrote:
Nuggz... are you an Arfcommer? And do I know you from DayZ?

Yep! And nope.

Alright lets move on from the gakfest that has become the thread the last couple pages.

I am going to start looking at suppressors. MN is on the verge to make it legal to own them. Will know Friday.


I need some firearms time. Might be time to go to the range. Just found another brick of minimag. Almost have enough for a decent day with the 1911.22 I have.

Good idea. Does anyone have any experience with the multi caliber suppressors. Are they any good.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

ski2060 wrote:
Nuggz... are you an Arfcommer? And do I know you from DayZ?

Yep! And nope.

Cool. When I played computer games with the Arf crew there was a guy with the handle of Nugs. Thought you might be the same guy.
Anyway, hello fellow Arfcommer!