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Let's give the Russ some love.



Hull weapons:



*Autocannon +10 pts

*Two twin-linked heavy stubbers +10pts

Sponson Weapons:

*Autocannons +30 pts

*Two twin-linked heavy stubbers +10 pts

*Punisher Cannons +80 pts

*Heavy Grenade Launchers +40 pts (36" Range, Heavy 3, S4 AP5 Blast 2)

*Twin-linked lascannons +50 pts


Wargear:

Leman Russ varients may select one of the following upgrades. If they select an Upgrade, they may not purchase sponsons:

Laser targetter + 30 pts

The Leman Russ's turret weapon counts as twin-linked.


Side armour +30 pts

Leman Russ varients may upgrade their side armour to AV 14.


Scout variant +20 pts

The Leman Russ counts as Fast.

Why? Russes are fine.

Fast leman russes with Punisher Cannons and a twin linked demolisher cannon

Hide the children


I have seen my fair share of leman russ fan options, and by far these are the most ridiculous

 kenshin620 wrote:
Fast leman russes with Punisher Cannons and a twin linked demolisher cannon

Hide the children


I have seen my fair share of leman russ fan options, and by far these are the most ridiculous

It couldn't be both fast and have twin linked turret weapons. It would also cost 265 points hahaha (but so worth it)

However, it's still pretty OTT hahaha. I mean, hull mounted Punisher Cannon? How would that even fit? I do like the idea of a hull mounted Autocannon, or Sponson Auto Cannons. Mount both AC hull guns and sponsons on an Exterminator? So many auto cannon shots....

So I can now take Russes with 2 Punisher Cannons, one of which is TL, as well as 2 extra Heavy Bolters giving me 46 S5 shots/turn?

 washout77 wrote:

 kenshin620 wrote:
Fast leman russes with Punisher Cannons and a twin linked demolisher cannon

Hide the children


I have seen my fair share of leman russ fan options, and by far these are the most ridiculous

It couldn't be both fast and have twin linked turret weapons. It would also cost 265 points hahaha (but so worth it)

However, it's still pretty OTT hahaha. I mean, hull mounted Punisher Cannon? How would that even fit? I do like the idea of a hull mounted Autocannon, or Sponson Auto Cannons. Mount both AC hull guns and sponsons on an Exterminator? So many auto cannon shots....

Punisher cannon is not hull-mounted I forgot to format the heading.
Should probably tweak the points.

 BryllCream wrote:

Punisher cannon is not hull-mounted I forgot to format the heading.
Should probably tweak the points.

Should probably not even have 75% of your proposed options. Tweaking points won't save this idea.

 Blacksails wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

Punisher cannon is not hull-mounted I forgot to format the heading.
Should probably tweak the points.

Should probably not even have 75% of your proposed options. Tweaking points won't save this idea.

That's not very polite. You could outline why you think the way you do?

 BryllCream wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

Punisher cannon is not hull-mounted I forgot to format the heading.
Should probably tweak the points.

Should probably not even have 75% of your proposed options. Tweaking points won't save this idea.

That's not very polite. You could outline why you think the way you do?

Well first of all, its rather confusing what you're even proposing.

What do you mean by 'turret weapons'? Are you saying to replace the standard battlecannon with those weapons? Or add a second weapon to the existing Russ of your choice? If its the former, then its redundant as the Punisher, Exterminator, and Annihilator already exist. If its the latter, than its just downright silly. The most powerful secondary armament on a Russ turret is a co-axial heavy stubber, present on the Vanquisher in FW books/models.

The option for two twin-linked heavy stubbers is also a little silly, as that's four heavy stubber; more than what the Macharius super heavy has in its hull (it has a twin-linked heavy stubber standard).

The laser target already exists in the form of a coaxial weapon mount in FW books for some russ variants that would make effective use of it, namely the vanquisher.

I'm fine with the side armour upgrade, so long as no sponsons can be mounted.

As for the scout option, that tank already exists as the Conqueror, a smaller more mobile Leman Russ with a small blast battle cannon.

Agreed on the side armor thing, it makes much more sense to say that you can have AV 14 sides but you can't mount sponsons (extra armor is attached where sponsons would be mounted)

EDIT: Hit submit too early.

I don't see the point of a 30+ upgrade for and AC turret. It's only 1 AC, when I can get an exterminator for the same price, but this one is automatically twin-linked as well. Also, the Punisher Cannon one already exists as well (also for cheaper). With your upgrade, the Punisher Russ is actually more expensive than an Executioner....

I do like the idea that instead of sponsons you could add extra armor. Would use that for my LRBT and LRD thanks to them being ordinance, sponsons are just kind of a waste to get since they are just getting snap fired most of the time.

...I screwed up my OP. It should make more sense now

I understand this is 40k, and its not real life, and nothing makes sense...but there's a line somewhere.

That line is Punisher cannons in sponsons. Nope. Just a big nope. I don't care how many points you make it, its just a big nope.

Your other options should also suitably reflect they are being mounted in sponsons. The stubbers should just be a single set of twin-linked heavy stubber, the lascannons should be a single lascannons and not twin-linked.

Again, the hull heavy stubber option should be a single set of twin-linked heavy stubbers.

My point still stands for the scout and laser option.

Wait.

Punisher Sponsons?

40 Str 5 shots? Paired with a Punisher Russ, 60 Str 5 shots a turn? You're putting more dakka out than anything else. Oh lawd.

But yeah, make the Sponsons single weapon sets (so 2 with both sponsons) and thus non-twin linked so they can keep in line with the other sponsons. Also, the hull weapons should be the same way. Then, we are good haha

hmm a Leman Exterminator with pask with with hull mounted auto cannon and auto cannon sponsons so 10 str 7 bs 4 shots a turn and Str 8 vs vehicle iirc,, jebus.

and for the 60 Str 5 shots a turn each thats enough firepower to wipe put a 5 man termie squad in 2 turns. the new ig army would be 4 vetsquads in chimeras with behind two wedges of punishers with punisher sponsons so 180 str 5 shots a turn from each wedge. I think we have a winnar for an OTT upgrade list

 washout77 wrote:
Wait.

Punisher Sponsons?

40 Str 5 shots? Paired with a Punisher Russ, 60 Str 5 shots a turn? You're putting more dakka out than anything else. Oh lawd.

But yeah, make the Sponsons single weapon sets (so 2 with both sponsons) and thus non-twin linked so they can keep in line with the other sponsons. Also, the hull weapons should be the same way. Then, we are good haha

There is a meme that would fit perfectly for the OPs suggest-chuns. Yo dawg....

Anyway, I think you should get rid of the punisher related options. It has 20 shots already, give it more and Ork players will cry. Imagine a twin linked punisher cannon... might as well rip up your Tyranid codices, guys!

I don't care much for the autocannon. 5 more points gets you a lascannon.

The heavy grenade launchers are kinda cool and would work nicely on an Eradicator. I wouldn't take it for anything else, though.

Lemun Russ with upgradable engine to make it move normally again.
Lemun Russ with upgradable armor making all facings +1 including front so it can be Armor 15!
Lemun Russ with the ability to fire all of its guns at normal BS despite firing ordinance
Lemun Russ squadrons.... wait...

Seriously though I think the Lemun Russ is the most versitile tank hull in the game and doesn't need the love at the moment.

It would be nice to see some Predator tank love though More weapon options would be be nice.

 BryllCream wrote:
Let's give the Russ some love.
Hull weapons:
*Autocannon +10 pts
*Two twin-linked heavy stubbers +10pts
Sponson Weapons:
*Autocannons +30 pts
*Two twin-linked heavy stubbers +10 pts
*Twin-linked lascannons +50 pts
Wargear:

Leman Russ varients may select one of the following upgrades. If they select an Upgrade, they may not purchase sponsons:

So I clipped everything I didn't like.
I'm cool heavy lots of heavy stubbers. More S4 shooting isn't over-powering, and it doesn't pair all that well with most turret weapons.
Autocannons aren't great, so again, I'm alright with that.
Lascannons might need to be more expensive. A russ Anilhilator (turret twin lascannons, for 130 base), could have 2 twin-linked lascannons and 2 lascannons for 195, which seems kind of too good.
245 with Pask, and that gives you 4 S10 shots at 48" and AP2.

What I would like to see?
Caseless Ammo. +10 points, and turret weapon LOSES the Ordnance rule.

For most Russ builds, the Ordnance Rule is actually a drawback, and I'd gladly pay a few points to drop it.

-Matt

All right I'm going to pick the smallest of the proposed rules to hurl my 2p at... LR's should not be fast they are lumbering brutes-the IG are not (MOSTLY-yeah there are exceptions) a rapid reaction force that's what Marines are for. I would love a BS4 LR, equally a trio of AC's would be a very worthwhile points sink. All in all, good work.

HawaiiMatt wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
Let's give the Russ some love.
Hull weapons:
*Autocannon +10 pts
*Two twin-linked heavy stubbers +10pts
Sponson Weapons:
*Autocannons +30 pts
*Two twin-linked heavy stubbers +10 pts
*Twin-linked lascannons +50 pts
Wargear:

Leman Russ varients may select one of the following upgrades. If they select an Upgrade, they may not purchase sponsons:

So I clipped everything I didn't like.
I'm cool heavy lots of heavy stubbers. More S4 shooting isn't over-powering, and it doesn't pair all that well with most turret weapons.
Autocannons aren't great, so again, I'm alright with that.
Lascannons might need to be more expensive. A russ Anilhilator (turret twin lascannons, for 130 base), could have 2 twin-linked lascannons and 2 lascannons for 195, which seems kind of too good.
245 with Pask, and that gives you 4 S10 shots at 48" and AP2.

What I would like to see?
Caseless Ammo. +10 points, and turret weapon LOSES the Ordnance rule.

For most Russ builds, the Ordnance Rule is actually a drawback, and I'd gladly pay a few points to drop it.

-Matt

Cheers for the feedback. I agree some of my ideas may have been far-fetched but I was brainstorming rather than listing things I think would be a good idea. I don't think some of the posters above quite understood that

Don't know about removing Ordinance. I'd rather Russs had Heavy, Lumbering Behemouth and have LB give Russes the ability to shoot ordinance + other weapon as normal. Paying extra to make vanilla Russes and Demolishers as good as they were in 5th seems unnessesary.


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 BenchianFingers wrote:

Seriously though I think the Lemun Russ is the most versitile tank hull in the game and doesn't need the love at the moment.

It would be nice to see some Predator tank love though More weapon options would be be nice.

There's nothing wrong with more options for anything, so long as its costed and balanced.