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 generalgrog wrote:


I find it incredibly immoral to lie to kids that may be having sexual identity issues by telling them that may have been "born gay".

Then don't tell them that. There's just about a billion ways you could talk to your kids about homosexuality without ever coming down to the question of whether it's innate or acquired.

Hollywood and the cult of political correctness has done a great job of brain washing a generation.

By opposition to being brainwashed in believing women, blacks and gays are inferior? If I have to choose between those 2 brainwashing, and then idiots making their own mind about stuff they know gak all about, then I know which one I'm picking.

And if you think that the pedophiles and zoophiles don't make the same arguments that homosexuals do you haven't done enough reading.

GG

That they make the same argument is not surprising. There's even some amount of truth to their position (when they say that it is a myth that children have no sexuality), it's just what they want to accomplish with this discourse which is monstrous. And that's easily recognizable.

 generalgrog wrote:

There is nothing racist or bigoted in pointing out that God created Adam and Eve..not Adam and Steve. It's a religious viewpoint that has nothing at all to do with "white middle class redknecks".

So you're saying that a religious viewpoint cannot also be bigoted?

Unless you meant only that it is not wrong to point out that, in the Christian account of creation, God created Adam and Eve rather than Adam and Steve.

While I'm not trying to white knight for GG here, there's an interesting trend if you look at minority voting patterns on certain issues.

This, to me, makes homophobia seem much less of a W.A.S.P. driven phenomenon.

 generalgrog wrote:

And if you think that the pedophiles and zoophiles don't make the same arguments that homosexuals do you haven't done enough reading.

Of course they do, why wouldn't they? I imagine heterosexuals would use them too, were they placed in a similar position. Simply because you are predisposed to a particular behavior does not make that behavior acceptable. The argument for gay rights isn't really about being born gay, or not being born gay, its about homosexual behavior having no measurable, negative impact on society.

As an aside, I never really understood all the noise about zoophilia. I mean, its weird as hell, but is having sex with a class of being we slaughter en masse for consumption really all that bad?

 dogma wrote:
As an aside, I never really understood all the noise about zoophilia. I mean, its weird as hell, but is having sex with a class of being we slaughter en masse for consumption really all that bad?

Sex bad, violence good dogma.

You know this!

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Sorry man, but PC really has nothin to do with race... for example, because of PC, i can no longer say someone is fat, slow (as in they cant run fast), stupid, or a complete moron.

I think you're confusing "politically correct" with "polite". Shocking though it may be, acting like an donkey-cave has had negative repercussions for most of human history.

Really, the donkey-caves of the world should be thankful for the existence of political correctness. It gives them something to point at vaguely whenever they get called out for being donkey-caves.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

Hollywood and the cult of political correctness has done a great job of brain washing a generation.

By opposition to being brainwashed in believing women, blacks and gays are inferior? If I have to choose between those 2 brainwashing, and then idiots making their own mind about stuff they know gak all about, then I know which one I'm picking.

Not sure if kidding? But I was specifically referring to the gay issue. Also I didn't say that gay people were "inferior" Not sure why all the straw men Kovnik..


GG

 generalgrog wrote:


That's your opinion.

I find it incredibly immoral to lie to kids that may be having sexual identity issues by telling them that may have been "born gay". Hollywood and the cult of political correctness has done a great job of brain washing a generation. And if you think that the pedophiles and zoophiles don't make the same arguments that homosexuals do you haven't done enough reading.

GG

Just As immoral it is to make people feel unwelcomed and unloved for just they way they think.

 dogma wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:

There is nothing racist or bigoted in pointing out that God created Adam and Eve..not Adam and Steve. It's a religious viewpoint that has nothing at all to do with "white middle class redknecks".

So you're saying that a religious viewpoint cannot also be bigoted?

Unless you meant only that it is not wrong to point out that, in the Christian account of creation, God created Adam and Eve rather than Adam and Steve.

Sure religious viewpoints can be bigoted, examples of this were Southern Whites taking the mark of Ham and the descendants of Ham(thought to be Black African's, at the time) to justify segregation and Jim crow, or the Mormon exclusion of Blacks from their priesthood(up until the 80's?)...but not all of them are...and for me at least, the gay issue isn't.

For me, this is a behavior choice issue not a civil right.

GG

p.s. let me clarify that whatever behavior choice adults make in the privacy of their home, is none of my business, but it's when they try to deceive my children or the children of people I care about, or try and twist the word of God to fit a lifestyle choice, is where I get a little indignant.

 generalgrog wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

Hollywood and the cult of political correctness has done a great job of brain washing a generation.

By opposition to being brainwashed in believing women, blacks and gays are inferior? If I have to choose between those 2 brainwashing, and then idiots making their own mind about stuff they know gak all about, then I know which one I'm picking.

Not sure if kidding? But I was specifically referring to the gay issue. Also I didn't say that gay people were "inferior" Not sure why all the straw men Kovnik..


GG

Might not have been clear, but basically I was referring to the type of brainwashing that would have taken place in the 50s. Just saying, if I have to choose a era in which I have to be brainwashed, I chose this one.

Ok, We live in a world where god gave us the right to choose our own lives. Why punish someone for using that right?
Or better yet, we live in american where freedom is our right, freedom to be who we are(along ceertain limits, such as not hurting someone). You choose to be christian, you are given all the rights that still go with it, that is, all the rights you would have if you didnt.
Why cant you afford gay people the same rights.

 generalgrog wrote:

Not sure if kidding? But I was specifically referring to the gay issue. Also I didn't say that gay people were "inferior" Not sure why all the straw men Kovnik..

Not sure of his intent but I would comment on your use of the term "brainwashing", specifically the manner in which that term is used to dismiss "offensive" ideas. One might, for example, say that person X doesn't really hate thing Y, he's just been "brainwashed" into hating it. The problem is that valuation is established by experience, so dismissing something as "brainwashing" is essentially dismissing experience and therefore agency. You may as well just say that the relevant generation is not composed of people.

Second, you may not have said that gay people are inferior, but you did place yourself on a nice little pedestal by decrying Hollywood and "the cult of political correctness". A strategy that is generally reserved for conspiracy theories, and those summoning the Sheeple.

 generalgrog wrote:

p.s. let me clarify that whatever behavior choice adults make in the privacy of their home, is none of my business, but it's when they try to deceive my children or the children of people I care about, or try and twist the word of God to fit a lifestyle choice, is where I get a little indignant.

So you get angry when people disagree with you?

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
Just saying, if I have to choose a era in which I have to be brainwashed, I chose this one.

If nothing else the pool of (consensual) sexual partners has increased.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
the US likes to blame gay people when their country is going bad
another reason I will never go to that country

I think you're misrepresenting the opinions of a whole nation.

Yes, indeed we are not all homophobic idiots. But a good portion of the American public does seem to be lacking in brain cells, especially the south. (Coming from an Arkansan). But do come here sometime. There are some great things here. The Grand Canyon, for instance, and the Rocky Mountains. There are some great places here, if you ignore most of the people you run into. People in the south are generally quite nice until they find out you are not a christian/gay/liberal/, so you probably won't run into much trouble, though you may be struck by the sheer blatant stupidity of some people's conversations.

But do come here sometime

hotsauceman1 wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:


That's your opinion.

I find it incredibly immoral to lie to kids that may be having sexual identity issues by telling them that may have been "born gay". Hollywood and the cult of political correctness has done a great job of brain washing a generation. And if you think that the pedophiles and zoophiles don't make the same arguments that homosexuals do you haven't done enough reading.

GG

Just As immoral it is to make people feel unwelcomed and unloved for just they way they think.

Oh the delicious irony!

It is not, nor has it ever been, immoral to make people feel unwelcome and unloved because of the way they think. Otherwise no one could morally be disapproving to any other person's choice of belief.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Ok, We live in a world where god gave us the right to choose our own lives. Why punish someone for using that right?
Or better yet, we live in american where freedom is our right, freedom to be who we are(along ceertain limits, such as not hurting someone). You choose to be christian, you are given all the rights that still go with it, that is, all the rights you would have if you didnt.
Why cant you afford gay people the same rights.

Partially because in this they are not free. The parents in question must send their children to a state approved/run school. Otherwise they can be charged. Forcing a viewpoint which is contrary to the wishes of the parents upon children who must attend is wrong. Parents should be allowed to raise their kids as they wish as long as it does no quantifiable harm of a serious manner.

Home School.

Curriculum still has to be approved by the Department of Education, and the children still have to pass standardized tests.

 dogma wrote:


If nothing else the pool of (consensual) sexual partners has increased.

And really, what else is needed to prove that we are living the dream?

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 dogma wrote:


If nothing else the pool of (consensual) sexual partners has increased.

And really, what else is needed to prove that we are living the dream?

Jet Packs. I was promised Jet Packs by now.

 Ahtman wrote:

Jet Packs. I was promised Jet Packs by now.

I think it's the performance issues that really killed that one in the bud. That and all the first degree burns.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
1. I didn't say that.
2. It's not that small a sample of nationally notable politicians. 1,000 to 2,000 people is enough for a valid survey of the entire US population, I have been led to understand.

(It could be argued that those two guys were a self-selecting sample...)

You did, in point of fact, say that "white people having to share power" with minorities is the root of opposition to illegal immigration, the root of the drive to subjugate women, the root of the anti-gay agenda, etc. It's right there on the first page, man, and it's not getting any less insulting.

 generalgrog wrote:
Didn't take long for the "racist bigot" card to get played.

There is nothing racist or bigoted in pointing out that God created Adam and Eve..not Adam and Steve. It's a religious viewpoint that has nothing at all to do with "white middle class redknecks".

GG

But there is something bigoted in thinking that being gay is wrong.

Also, God don't create Adam and Eve. If he had, then we'd be a bunch of inbred freaks.

It takes more than two people to start a species, ya know.

God made it work is the ultimate hand wave.

Let the uninformed religious debate begin.

 LordofHats wrote:
God made it work is the ultimate hand wave.

Isn't that the benefit of being god? You ARE the hand wave, and really who can call BS on it, you're god.

 Monster Rain wrote:
Let the uninformed religious debate continue.

Fixed that. This isn't our first prom.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
God made it work is the ultimate hand wave.

Isn't that the benefit of being god? You ARE the hand wave, and really who can call BS on it, you're god.

Exactly. The term unfalsifiable comes to mind.

 Monster Rain wrote:
While I'm not trying to white knight for GG here, there's an interesting trend if you look at minority voting patterns on certain issues.

This, to me, makes homophobia seem much less of a W.A.S.P. driven phenomenon.

Of course, it is common in various cultures. (Though not among homosexuals, apparently.)

That doesn't make it right, though. Any law to interfere with people's sexual behaviour needs to be informed by social and medical ethics rather than prejudice.

 Ratbarf wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:


That's your opinion.

I find it incredibly immoral to lie to kids that may be having sexual identity issues by telling them that may have been "born gay". Hollywood and the cult of political correctness has done a great job of brain washing a generation. And if you think that the pedophiles and zoophiles don't make the same arguments that homosexuals do you haven't done enough reading.

GG

Just As immoral it is to make people feel unwelcomed and unloved for just they way they think.

Oh the delicious irony!

It is not, nor has it ever been, immoral to make people feel unwelcome and unloved because of the way they think. Otherwise no one could morally be disapproving to any other person's choice of belief.

I bow down to thee, O Mighty One, who has the power to absolutely define a subjective concept!

 generalgrog wrote:
That's your opinion.

Funny you should mention that...

I find it incredibly immoral to lie to kids that may be having sexual identity issues by telling them that may have been "born gay". Hollywood and the cult of political correctness has done a great job of brain washing a generation. And if you think that the pedophiles and zoophiles don't make the same arguments that homosexuals do you haven't done enough reading.

GG

I find it incerdibly immoral to lie to kids that may be having sexual identity issues by telling that "god will hate them and they will burn in hell" if they are gay and that "god made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" and that "god exists even though there is no proof what so ever that god actuall exists so listen to what I tell you even though it flies against all reason, logic and all evidance to the contrary". Many churches and people who attend those churches have done a great deal of damage to many generations though their brain washing and inability to actually accept people. And if you don't think sexual predators within the church, or religious sexual predators don't make the same kind of threats (stay quiet or you will burn in hell!) and arguments you haven't done enough reading.

S


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 Ratbarf wrote:
Oh the delicious irony!

It is not, nor has it ever been, immoral to make people feel unwelcome and unloved because of the way they think. Otherwise no one could morally be disapproving to any other person's choice of belief.

"Love thy neighbour" springs to mind, as well as the associated "turn the other cheek" etc?

Also, him saying that isn't ironic.


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 LoneLictor wrote:
Also, God don't create Adam and Eve. If he had, then we'd be a bunch of inbred freaks.

It takes more than two people to start a species, ya know.

You can actually create a stable population from a very small sample if the original samples are very free from mutation and/or there is a similar species which you can breed into and then cross breed offspring, selecting for certain traits until you have bred back to a certain ideal which will genetically be very similar to the original.

 LoneLictor wrote:


.....
Also, God don't create Adam and Eve. If he had, then we'd be a bunch of inbred freaks.

It takes more than two people to start a species, ya know.

And awaaaaaaaay we gooooo.

Anyway, not going to take the bait, just to point out that you are entitled to your opinion, but opinions don't = fact.

GG