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 Kroothawk wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Sure, but look at the miniatures for Infinity or Mercs, they are pretty amazing, these are not. Unless you want an army of guys just kind of standing around. They can charge whatever they want, but there has to be some kind of justification for $4 or $10 models. I'm just not seeing it here.

I think, after 500 posts with basically the same content, based on 2 preview pics, we all got your point. No need to repeat it in another 500 posts.

Naw dawg, lemme explain to you in greater detail how in my opinion it's not worth four bucks and they should have 25mm bases and stats published for use in 40k

 bbb wrote:
The more I think about it, the less excited I get. Not because of anything Prodos is doing, but because of the track record of Warzone. Since the game is produced based on a license, even if the game is sucessful, the owner of the IP (Paradox, if memory serves correct) can just yank the plug and move in whatever direction they want (depending on the way contracts are set up). I think this is what happened when they moved from 1st to 2nd edition.

I hope the rules are great and I hope the models are great too, but I'll refrain from excitement as long as I can in hopes that Prodos can make something good and not have the rug pulled out from under them.

The more Prodos shows the less nervous I am actually. In the Target/Heartbreaker days Warzone died despite its success due to some peculiarities of Swedish bankruptcy law. Basically a failure in one division of a very large company (and the parent company was in to everything from game development to missiles from what I remember) caused everything to implode. Only Paradox made it out alive. Basically had Warzone been part of a US or UK company, this may not have happened. Either way, it was wildly popular and died in spite of that due to a particular way bankruptcy got handled in its country of origin. That's grounds for a curse, I suppose, but I don't go in for superstition much. Just a spot of bad luck (that will be hard to repeat because they are a UK company now).

Excelsior, well, I can kind of see why Paradox pulled the plug. It was basically a fan project that gave us little new material outside of a new take on the background. It didn't dazzle us with new pieces of professional concept art, it only barely started showing off greens for new models, it took years to develop the books. Paradox could have let it run for years and it probably wouldn't go anywhere. I remember that shortly after the crash the creator of UWZ promised to release all of the un-released source-book material (serial numbers filed off and all), and nothing ever came of it. It's understandable of course, Excelsior was 1-2 guys going it on their own, they simply couldn't do all the work required to fully reboot a darling of the 90's.

The less said about FFG's reboot, the better, that a couple of guys did a better job than a large company says quite a bit (and looking at Dust... I have to wonder why they didn't just make MC/WZ their flagship minis game instead of a 54mm boardgame with some of the worst rules I've ever had the poor luck to play).

But Prodos have been putting their best foot forward. They aren't acting like a little garage-developer. They are showing professional-level work that I would expect out of a proper company. And unlike the last proper company to get their hands on it, they are treating it in the way that worked for Target, as a property and not a sacred cow. So long as they keep this up and deliver on their promises then I can't see why Paradox would pull the plug. Prodos is actually moving forward with the property rather than trying to piece together all the left-over bits. And I say this even as UWZ (though I suppose naming something Ultimate is a bit on the nose) is my favourite edition of all time. But it took way to long to make and held up Excelsior for too long. Prodos are doing things the right way, not trying to recycle old eras but forging a new one. This is what the game needs to thrive again.

I admit that I was skittish when the first sneak peak showed up and all we had was a teaser trailer, but now that they have shown off full 3D models used for production, beautiful concept art, actual production mock-ups and let on that they are already in the later stages of play-testing; well, many of my fears of this being another vanity-press project in the making have been laid to rest. They could still fail, of course, but this is the best showing that Warzone has made since Target died.

Hmm, interesting, but I'll certainly need to see more. I'm always game when a skirmish game provides a lot of little details for weapons. I just hope it is easy enough to remember after a game or two. I'm also interested to see which version of the weapon system you went with. UWZ had some great bits, but part of me is still partial to 1st Edition's simplicity (and I really hope not 2nd Edition, way to much to remember).

Edit - And it also occurs to me the UWZ tried something similar with its weaponry (I actually kind of liked it). Hmm, colour me intrigued.

also some chasseurs poses you can make:

Alright, you've sold me. Best version of the chasseurs I've seen yet

Show us more minis Exalted One! Can't wait!!

 bbb wrote:
Alright, you've sold me. Best version of the chasseurs I've seen yet

I miss the "pew pew" on the pic

BTW I think it is time to show a normal soldier, by e.g. Capitol, Bauhaus or Imperials, not just cyber/daemon thingies.

If the minis look good though, wouldn't you rather buy them quick rather than wait... so even if they get the "rug pulled out from under them" you still get those potentially awesome minis?

Just playing devil's advocate here.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 bbb wrote:
Alright, you've sold me. Best version of the chasseurs I've seen yet

I miss the "pew pew" on the pic

BTW I think it is time to show a normal soldier, by e.g. Capitol, Bauhaus or Imperials, not just cyber/daemon thingies.

I concur, bring on the Bauhaus and Imperial. I need picklehaube and gas masks!

My Space Wolves cant wait for new Wolf Headed Dragoons

I already own a few dozen and I can't wait to have more (especially well-proportioned ones!). Always a big fan of the Order of the Wolf and standard Dragoons from 1st Edition (and bring back the Kampfkanone!).

 Kroothawk wrote:

 bbb wrote:
Alright, you've sold me. Best version of the chasseurs I've seen yet

I miss the "pew pew" on the pic

BTW I think it is time to show a normal soldier, by e.g. Capitol, Bauhaus or Imperials, not just cyber/daemon thingies.

Working on this one

Working on this one

Aaah! The excitment!

Is it just me, or does anyone else thinks the model in the picture looks like it is doing some funky dance moves?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
also some chasseurs poses you can make:

Presumably they are wrestling with the complex Shoebox Shoulderpad matrix?

Would be neat to see this make a go of it. Squad level Sci-fi gaming seems like it has a lot of room for some companies to bust in and grab some market share right now.

The only real complaint that I have is that in both the legionaries and Chasseurs have very static legs. The armatures posted above for example have only minor variations of the 'astride' stance.

Palindrome wrote:
The only real complaint that I have is that in both the legionaries and Chasseurs have very static legs. The armatures posted above for example have only minor variations of the 'astride' stance.

I think they mentioned 3 leg options? If that pose sampler shows two of them and the third is in motion in some way I think they've covered what they can. 1 in 3 being kneeling for instance would be too much, so they are a bit limited if they intend every part of the kit to be useable (ie not having a fourth set of legs for variety but only enough bodies/arms for three models).

@palindrome there is no variation in the astride legs in the picture, they are all labelled as leg type number 3.




Bloody ninja's *grumble grumble*

Oh wait, I see Leg 2 labeled in there. Oh well.

There are three legs, together(1), stepping forward(2) and astride(3) its just 3 gets repeated several times.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
There are three legs, together(1), stepping forward(2) and astride(3) its just 3 gets repeated several times.

Right. Leg 1 and 2 appear to be identical though, which is why I thought there might be a third mystery leg until I saw that 1, 2 and 3 were labeled.

I think it may be the angles. Legs1 are close together and look to be slowly advancing forward, Legs2 are further apart and look to be bracing to fire. I'd need to see more angles of each though. I guess they are missing a running and kneeling option, but I don't think that's really bad. You also don't want too many really dynamic leg poses because it can actually make the samey-ness of only having 2-3 leg variants more noticeable. More reserved leg poses takes focus off of the legs and upper bodies tend to be more varied with head/chest/arms to combo. Since legs usually tend to be one solid piece going too varied on them can make it easy to spot duplicates in a unit. But one or two optional, dynamic legs never go amiss so long as they aren't a forced choice (thus always having 1-in-5 guys kneeling).

But if you are looking to cut down on extraneous bits on the sprue, then going with reserved leg poses is a good strategy to create the illusion of variety.

look what you can do just with 2 types of legs:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/mk3-4.jpg

is ther notmissing a pic in the begining the skeletons for cybertronic??

 Nicklas_danielsson wrote:
is ther notmissing a pic in the begining the skeletons for cybertronic??

Everything's looking great so far! I hope we get to see the new Imperials soon! I need new references

Wow! Dig those skele-bots. Those old sculpts weren't too bad, certainly a contender with Necrons. I hope we see more of the "throwback-moving forward" aesthetic through inspiration. Keep up the good work guys!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
also some chasseurs poses you can make:

sonehow i find these very intriguing... they remind me of A.I.M. footsoldiers...now there is an idea of a cool IG army...

I was thinking an army of Scud the Disposable Assassins myself