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 Savageconvoy wrote:

Coyote81 wrote:
Are you saying that because Tau just plain out die to a lot of attacks where a space marine would get an armor save, that it evens out because the space marines have to take that armor save and thus suffer from more time of rolling bad dice and failing that armor save? Even if you referring to shooting as well, with an overall BS4 in the C:SM, I still think your logic is very convoluted.

He actually isn't wrong with his logic. Lets say you have two sets of dice, one with 10 dice and another with 100. The smaller set will be far more suceptible to variance in the averages while the larger set will for the most part be about average.
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But the problem is that space marines don't really have a number issue with Tau. We've both played games where we had fewer model counts than MEQ players. That's kind of the problem with Tau. They have the body count of an elite army, with horde statlines, and pricing somewhere in between. For some reason the developer thought the worst of both worlds would balance out.

The variance in dice isn't the logic I was questioning. The idea that space marine suffering from a higher variance in dice is a fair offset to the fact that the Tau just die from the attacks/shots instead of even getting to roll dice.

I think it depends on whether you are a Space Marien player or not.

But to get back on topic...

I wonder if they'll still keep the crisis suits as solo boxes or package them in 3s for $60 like the new, like-sized models (i.e. new nurgle drones, etc)

I wouldnt mind that actually.

depends on the squad size allowed by codex..

If its 3 max then it will be 2 to a box for 60.00

If its 5 max then it will be 3 to a box for 100.00

GW math

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
depends on the squad size allowed by codex..

If its 3 max then it will be 2 to a box for 60.00

If its 5 max then it will be 3 to a box for 100.00

GW math

He went and said it. Totally jinxed now.

Tastyfish over at Warseer wrote:Mildly Tau related, but there's also IA3 v2 according to their facebook page as well. Probably post-codex.

That's FW's facebook page, not GW's

Does anyone know when these are likely to hit? Might be an opportunity to stock up now as I am convinced the models will all go through the roof in £££ - the battle force is good value at the moment lol

Lovepug13 wrote:
Does anyone know when these are likely to hit? Might be an opportunity to stock up now as I am convinced the models will all go through the roof in £££ - the battle force is good value at the moment lol

It's quite tricky now to know when GW release stuff now. We've had two book releases and one of thoses was a surprise (Warriors of Chaos for fantasy). GW are really good now at keeping things under wraps, so it's anybodies guess.

If you want Tau, just get them now as there are no rumors suggesting that they are coming anytime soon

I already have some in my stash lol - I might top up a little and put them in storage but in no real hurry.

I got a nice bundle of tau suits for cheep. 4 for $60NZ. I guess you could say that's basically 4 for 1 in NZ. That's me safe from any crappy remodeling.

Gaz Taylor wrote:

Lovepug13 wrote:
Does anyone know when these are likely to hit? Might be an opportunity to stock up now as I am convinced the models will all go through the roof in £££ - the battle force is good value at the moment lol

It's quite tricky now to know when GW release stuff now. We've had two book releases and one of thoses was a surprise (Warriors of Chaos for fantasy). GW are really good now at keeping things under wraps, so it's anybodies guess.

If you want Tau, just get them now as there are no rumors suggesting that they are coming anytime soon

Yeah....about that....have you read the thread? Or, y'know, the other now-defunct threads from last year? Aside from the ghost fiasco, pretty much all of the reliable rumor mongers have placed Tau in the first half of this year, possibly the next month or two (although June has popped up more than once). True, GW has been very tight-lipped about things, but there's nothing to suggest that Tau aren't coming in the next few months. WoC wasn't really much a surprise, either...they knew it was coming, but they predicted it too early (Kroot, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they initially say Oct-Nov of 2012 for WoC?). There are a lot of threads to keep up with, but Kroot is kind enough to update the Rumor Round-up thread as he gets more info compiled, and it's a great resource to keep track of all of the info.

All that aside, I'm not saying hold off on Tau if you want some stuff...but I'd say keep away from the Crisis suits (since they aren't mando-stock for retailers atm, signifying a possible release/change to the model). By extension, I'd also hold off on purchasing the Commander and Broadside upgrade packs (who knows if they'll even work or look right if they redo the XV8).

 spectreoneone wrote:

Gaz Taylor wrote:

Lovepug13 wrote:
Does anyone know when these are likely to hit? Might be an opportunity to stock up now as I am convinced the models will all go through the roof in £££ - the battle force is good value at the moment lol

It's quite tricky now to know when GW release stuff now. We've had two book releases and one of thoses was a surprise (Warriors of Chaos for fantasy). GW are really good now at keeping things under wraps, so it's anybodies guess.

If you want Tau, just get them now as there are no rumors suggesting that they are coming anytime soon

Yeah....about that....have you read the thread? Or, y'know, the other now-defunct threads from last year? Aside from the ghost fiasco, pretty much all of the reliable rumor mongers have placed Tau in the first half of this year, possibly the next month or two (although June has popped up more than once). True, GW has been very tight-lipped about things, but there's nothing to suggest that Tau aren't coming in the next few months. WoC wasn't really much a surprise, either...they knew it was coming, but they predicted it too early (Kroot, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they initially say Oct-Nov of 2012 for WoC?). There are a lot of threads to keep up with, but Kroot is kind enough to update the Rumor Round-up thread as he gets more info compiled, and it's a great resource to keep track of all of the info.

All that aside, I'm not saying hold off on Tau if you want some stuff...but I'd say keep away from the Crisis suits (since they aren't mando-stock for retailers atm, signifying a possible release/change to the model). By extension, I'd also hold off on purchasing the Commander and Broadside upgrade packs (who knows if they'll even work or look right if they redo the XV8).

On the flipside, if they redo the Crisis Suit it'll probably go up to $30 or so, just because. I would definitely get FCW right now if you need them, because "old army" status has been the only thing shielding Tau from the brunt of the price increases.

Honestly, unless the new suits are AMAZING I see no reason to put aside my old XV8s. I'll probably get a few new ones for commanders and broadsides though. I've always wanted broadsides but never liked plastic/metal hybrid kits.

I'd gladly pay $30 if they gave more options on the sprue and a better model. The XV8 sprue is pretty sparse compared to the newer stuff GW is releasing, so I'd say that we should expect a sprue packed with extra gubbins, or a multi-kit for a Crisis, broadside or commander, with a $30-40 price point. Or, as previously mentioned a squad kit that has 2 suits at a $50-60 price point.

I will advise all my customers to buy TAU then when the London exchange opens in the morning :-)

The only concern I have is that the other multi model kits don't come with all the weapon options like the current XV-8 solo kit.

Personally I'd prefer a cheaper multi suit pack and just shell out for some third party bit weapons and conversions.

And I have like 20 burst cannons that I'm trying to figure out what to do with.

I'm pretty sure suits will be 3 for 60 but won't come with the bitz to give all three suits the same equipment, as per Killa Kanz. Overall, that's still a lot better than suits currently being 1 for 25.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
The only concern I have is that the other multi model kits don't come with all the weapon options like the current XV-8 solo kit.

Personally I'd prefer a cheaper multi suit pack and just shell out for some third party bit weapons and conversions.

And I have like 20 burst cannons that I'm trying to figure out what to do with.

The current XV8 kit doesn't come with all of the options, either (i.e. targeting array, shield drone, marker drone, etc.), and you have to shell out extra money to grab the commander/special weapon bitz, so I'm not too worried about the new sprue offering anything less, tbh. There are some great third party bitz manufacturers who offer some great alternate weapons options for the Tau at a much more reasonable price than GW bitz go for on eBay. I say bring on the multi model kits!

As for those burst cannons...get creative! Have you visited some of the Tau-centric P&M blogs here on Dakka? I've seen BCs used in ways I would have never thought they could be used.

Edit: stupid autocorrect on iPad...

I dont think that GW have re-modeleed the basic troops choice int he last few codeices they have released - so from that i'm assumign the FW kit will stay the same. Sae for the exisitnig vehcles (probebly get new rules for the existing guns/gear though).

So i am expecting the following new kits (just guessing though!):

Crisis/Broadside combo kit
Pathfinder/<insert new unit> combo kit
"Super" suit kit
Flyer kit

The crisis battlesuit and broadside kit seems likely. We know that the crisis suits are coming, so it seems like the broadsides could get drafted in. The commander upgrade will hopefully get added too.

I would like pathfinders to get a duel kit but I can't think what that would be. We can only hope.

Super suit and flyer are a given.

I'm looking forward to hearing what is mentioned in the new tau novel. Their could be some good hints to future stuff.

Given that they slapped the 3 different Term squads in a box for DA(granted really 2 are the same thing.), I'd be willing to believe that Crisis and broadsides are going to share a box. As long as they update those models I'm good with that.

I've got quite the army of old Tau stuff that I've been stripping in preparation for th new release. And I'm likely to buy a thing or two before the release but man, New Tau just can't come fast enough for me.

Gifblaur wrote:
Given that they slapped the 3 different Term squads in a box for DA(granted really 2 are the same thing.), I'd be willing to believe that Crisis and broadsides are going to share a box. As long as they update those models I'm good with that.

I've got quite the army of old Tau stuff that I've been stripping in preparation for th new release. And I'm likely to buy a thing or two before the release but man, New Tau just can't come fast enough for me.

EXACTLY my thoughts. I have always hated the current XV8 suits,
Equip them with a fur cap and an axe and they'll look like a common logger. Or the MadTV's version of Kenny Rogers, if you add a beard.
'Hi I'm Kenny Rogers and i arrived via Jet pack!!!'

 Ledabot wrote:
The crisis battlesuit and broadside kit seems likely. We know that the crisis suits are coming, so it seems like the broadsides could get drafted in. The commander upgrade will hopefully get added too.

I would like pathfinders to get a duel kit but I can't think what that would be. We can only hope.

Super suit and flyer are a given.

I'm looking forward to hearing what is mentioned in the new tau novel. Their could be some good hints to future stuff.

That is easy, Firewarrior/Pathfinder dual kit. Easy.

 Praxiss wrote:
I dont think that GW have re-modeleed the basic troops choice int he last few codeices they have released - so from that i'm assumign the FW kit will stay the same. Sae for the exisitnig vehcles (probebly get new rules for the existing guns/gear though).

So i am expecting the following new kits (just guessing though!):

Crisis/Broadside combo kit
Pathfinder/<insert new unit> combo kit
"Super" suit kit
Flyer kit

Add to that list a XV22 suit. I played Dark Crusade, and saw the Shadowsun kit and i liked the look of the suit. I do like Kais' helmat better than Shadowsun's, it just look too much like the XV25 helm I would be really cool if they had a generic XV22 kit.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
depends on the squad size allowed by codex..

If its 3 max then it will be 2 to a box for 60.00

If its 5 max then it will be 3 to a box for 100.00

GW math

This would be very funny if it were a joke..

i hope if they release new battlesuits they still sell the older suits, and i hope they don't change the rules for commander farsights body guard.

Weren't the Hobbit Trolls 3 for 100USD? If they are new sculpts, a bit buffed, with more bitz, I can see that happening.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Weren't the Hobbit Trolls 3 for 100USD? If they are new sculpts, a bit buffed, with more bitz, I can see that happening.

I think that was special hobbit pricing. I think a 3-pack of suits would be similar to the other big kits that have been coming out (blood crushers, blight drones, etc) around the $60 (USD) mark.

And then of course you'd need to buy an extra weapons sprue just to properly make those suits as Fireknives/Deathrain.

(Still kicking myself for using the SMS from my hammerhead sprue to get enough missile pods for Deathrain.)

Just wishlisting more than anything, but I'd love a new Stealth Suit kit that could have a few more options. Or maybe a dual build kit that makes Stealth Suits and something new, maybe some kind of heavy weapon team with similar armour? I dunno, I just like options. Whether its useful in-game or not I don't know but it'd be fun to paint.