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I remember the apocalypse sets that GW release a few years ago. They seemed to offer better value for money, certainly cheaper than buying them all on their own.

I seem now GW are releasing sets that are of no value for money such as all this one click bundle for new releases.

Will they ever release set like the apocalypse ones, I think not.

depends on what you think is worth your money
some don't have an issue with prices, so to them yes
those who do-probably not

Depends one what you call "value for money". I don't think you actually want a discussion TBH, just people to agree with you and moan about GW prices.

A short while back (2 years) they did do some bundles of troop and transport through FLGS 's and I'm sure it will be done again.

Also, it all depends one what you mean by value for money, but I think what you mean is discounted. Some people think GW now is value for money, some people will think no matter how discounted they can never offer value for money, most sit somewhere in between.

Not so much moan, I just wonder if the route they are going, bundle sets that save people money will ever be released. I think GW and save money in the same line are a rare thing.

I think GW prices are high, but it doesn't stop me buying from them, I do find having stores on the high street a good thing, but as a result you pay a premium price, thats GW.

like dash said, it's very subjective as to what you consider value for money but lets face it, most of GW's sets are hardly VFM any more >.>

as much as I want them to bring back the old apoc sets (9 battle suits and 3 stealths for £75? nom!) I can say for certain that it will never happen again :/ if they can't even offer a saving on these stupid new one click bundles then they truly have fallen beyond redemption -.-'

that being said though why should they? As a company they are out to make money and we are all still stupid enough to buy those models at that cost. unfortunately loyal fans don’t make as much of a profit as the ones who will buy anything they throw get thrown at them.

Sorry if this seams overly bitter but I’ve had just about enough of GW today

There are the army deals that appear before Christmas and sometimes on coded releases but that's about it.

Some online stores line Wayland do big bundles on coded releases certainly they had 2 or 3 for dark angels, upto about £800 if memory seres me?

The last two main rule starter sets for both WHFB and 40k have been fantastic values for the money, as far as models per dollar go. But I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for bundle savings packages because the current trend of bundling new product and selling it for the same as if it were all sold separately.

The starter sets are good, though that's taken a knock in 6th since the marines require a bit of filing off to make them generic.

The army sets are okay. IG essentially gets a free Sentinal...which is very underwealming. If you got a free Russ or artillery peice (or stormtroopers, or special weapons, or a commissar) then it might be alright.

 leroy233 wrote:
Will GW ever release set that are value for money?

The starter set for 40k is a tremendous value, assuming you like Dark Angels and/or Chaos Space Marines. The 5 Terminators and 3 bikes alone are nearly the same price when bought separately, let alone the mini-rulebook and such. Black Reach before it was similarly a great value. As such, yes, they have released sets that are "value for money".

 leroy233 wrote:
Will they ever release set like the apocalypse ones, I think not.

Is this a question, or a statement?

 Ouze wrote:


The starter set for 40k is a tremendous value, assuming you like Dark Angels and/or Chaos Space Marines. The 5 Terminators and 3 bikes alone are nearly the same price when bought separately, let alone the mini-rulebook and such. Black Reach before it was similarly a great value. As such, yes, they have released sets that are "value for money".

Yes and no. It's great value when you tot up the price of the components if sold separately; not so great a price if you consider those individual prices to be wildly overblown already. Anyway, we are all looking at it from the perspective on someone already in the hobby - the whole point of the starter sets is to entice new players in with easily accessible rules and miniatures. I'm not so sure prospective player A or (perhaps more pertinently) prospective player A's parents will go to the trouble of working out that the individual cost of the components in the starter set means they are getting a discount, or whether they will just look at the sticker price and say 'bugger that, player A is getting an Xbox game' or whatever. I can't help feeling that GW's starter sets just aren't fit for purpose at the moment given how much they have risen along with everything else. They used to be both great value and priced relatively competitively compared to other GW sets and compared to other toys/games and what have you. Now they are good value compared to other GW stuff; not so much to everything else.

The army you get in the box sets isn't optimimum but it's not terrible either. You can make an okay list from the DA army you get in DV.

It also gaurentees a stable supply of tactical marines on ebay

edit - Dark Vengeance Terminators are going for £14 per five man squad on ebay. I'm actually tempted to start a DA army simply because of how cheap it'd be.

DPBellathrom wrote:like dash said, it's very subjective as to what you consider value for money but lets face it, most of GW's sets are hardly VFM any more >.>

Well I think he was just asking about bulk bundle discounting specifically not specifically the value. It would be awesome if they knocked a percentage off overall for buying sets in some fashion of bulk. I mean if I need to buy 3 Black Knight boxes to make a squad why not toss in a 10% discount and tempt me to buy it now? Unless... you plan on hiking up the price before I finish buying them one at a time.

Of course while I can always find something else to buy I guess there are limits to what I would ever need to play...or have room to store anyway.

BryllCream wrote:The army you get in the box sets isn't optimimum but it's not terrible either. You can make an okay list from the DA army you get in DV.

It also gaurentees a stable supply of tactical marines on ebay

edit - Dark Vengeance Terminators are going for £14 per five man squad on ebay. I'm actually tempted to start a DA army simply because of how cheap it'd be.

Not terrible at all. In the last codex almost double the units you get in DV and that was basically THE army the book was designed to run and that was about it. Which while still fun in it's own way I'm glad the current book feels like it has more options. Either way though DV is a good start. Only thing I hate about DV is the dynamic poses while great, sort of stand out way more aside from most of the tactial squad. Of course if you're just thinking cheap...bingo!

What about the Necron Megaforce that was released at Xmas?
That was well over £200 worth of stuff for £150 (£230 I think, I priced it up at the time, and then bought it)
As I understand it, the SM one was similar in value.

I think the only critisism I can level at those army boxes is that they are only for two armies per system, though to be fair it would be difficult to stock too many such boxes.

Didn't GW release dakkajet last summer? I'm pretty sure they did as I haven't scratch built mine.

Dakkajet is actually pretty good price as military models of similiar size can be easily 35-40 euros (dakkajet is 36) and they come with less bitz and offers customizability.

Ruleswise dakkajet is pretty good.

On top of that the models is really nice looking.

EDIT:

Sorry I mixed 1/35 and 1/24 scales. Dakkajet is actually super cheap when compared to 1/24 planes (which are similiar size)
http://www.megahobby.com/1/24-scale-plastic-airplane-model-kits.aspx

In B4 someone calls them a "discounter".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
In B4 someone calls them a "discounter".

Calls who a discounter? GW? Surely not...

Slightly on topic, I found the starter set to be a good value. When the Assault on Black Reach came out, there was an online store opening boxes and selling them in your choice of double orks or double marines, with all the other add-ons (dice, tiny rule book, etc). I was all over that ork one!

I wish someone would do that with the DV boxes! I'd be all over a DA one.

Here's a good value boxset that can be used for GW games:

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Army-Deals/Undead-Army-Deals/Product/Undead-Army-Set-110-Figures.html

 leroy233 wrote:
I remember the apocalypse sets that GW release a few years ago. They seemed to offer better value for money, certainly cheaper than buying them all on their own.

I seem now GW are releasing sets that are of no value for money such as all this one click bundle for new releases.

Will they ever release set like the apocalypse ones, I think not.

Depends on if they have another reason to. Other then that, No.

A major problem with army bundles is that GW adds in models that don't sell well, making the perceived value lower.

High Elf bolt throwers are terrible right now 99% of the time, yet in the battalion you get one, making that kit less attractive if you don't want them.

Battalion kits should really only include mandatory models like Troops & transport or core troops. That would lower the entry cost to get into a new army, and you'd see increased sales on those bundles.

But that would make sense, and GW can't have that.

I can think of a decent number of bundles that GW could do that would sell decently, but they won't ever happen.

The Megaforces are tolerable deals considering how high prices are for individual boxes these days. If they had an HQ and were $20 cheaper, they would even be a good deal.

Yeah, Megaforces are your only real chance for a discount that's more than $5-10 from GW. I bought two Megaforces for X-mas last year, at a 25% off and 20% off value from two different stores: adding GW's discount, and I think they came to ~40% off retail. Well worth it, in my eyes, but I skipped this year as I had stopped buying GW. I came back to the dark side for the Chaos Warrior release: book, cards, dragon ogres, chimera. Thankfully, all of it was at 25% off, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered, and my army doesn't need anything (other than "oooo, shiny" purchases).

anything I'd need for chaos warriors I'd just convert, and the book

In some ways GW offers more value than they used to. More bits and weapon options on newer plastic kits, for example. Of course, GW's steady price increases helps to negate that over time.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
In some ways GW offers more value than they used to. More bits and weapon options on newer plastic kits, for example. Of course, GW's steady price increases helps to negate that over time.

yes but the old kits were offset by the fact you could order most any bit they made

 DPBellathrom wrote:
that being said though why should they? As a company they are out to make money and we are all still stupid enough to buy those models at that cost. unfortunately loyal fans don’t make as much of a profit as the ones who will buy anything they throw get thrown at them.

I strongly believe GW should do 3 for the price of 2 sales once every year or two. I think they'd make an absolute ton of money off them. In all the years I've been gaming, I've seen on 3 occasions the local GW stores doing big sales like that (twice for grand openings, once for something else that I've forgotten) and the stores were absolutely positively packed, the register running non stop all day long. It must have made them a ton of money. I know I bought stuff I never would have bought otherwise, got a regiment of metal Temple Guard when they were in blisters of 2 models which I never could have justified if I hadn't got them on sale, another time I bought a whole Tyranid army in a day and another time got a unit of Salamanders and a unit of Kroxigor.

There's a reason stores have sales, they make money off them.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Here's a good value boxset that can be used for GW games:

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Army-Deals/Undead-Army-Deals/Product/Undead-Army-Set-110-Figures.html

Yeah.

And I remember when the multipiece box sets of plastics first came out for WHFB - those were value for money - 20 infantry for 18 dollars!

Then... GW went back to increasing prices....

The Auld Grump

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 DPBellathrom wrote:
that being said though why should they? As a company they are out to make money and we are all still stupid enough to buy those models at that cost. unfortunately loyal fans don’t make as much of a profit as the ones who will buy anything they throw get thrown at them.

I strongly believe GW should do 3 for the price of 2 sales once every year or two. I think they'd make an absolute ton of money off them. In all the years I've been gaming, I've seen on 3 occasions the local GW stores doing big sales like that (twice for grand openings, once for something else that I've forgotten) and the stores were absolutely positively packed, the register running non stop all day long. It must have made them a ton of money. I know I bought stuff I never would have bought otherwise, got a regiment of metal Temple Guard when they were in blisters of 2 models which I never could have justified if I hadn't got them on sale, another time I bought a whole Tyranid army in a day and another time got a unit of Salamanders and a unit of Kroxigor.

There's a reason stores have sales, they make money off them.

they seem to, I guess think, they are like that all the time... I am not sure why they don't have sales, perhaps they feel they are above them and that they can somehow get people that can sell in those volumes
Also I think they both hate and love money
I'd buy new if they had good sales, but otherwise, I can buy online (new or used) and save
no intensive, other then store loyalty which, I don't have since they closed the GW stores I used to go to and the ones I go to now suck

On the topic of GW not having sales, I seem to recall reading somewhere (this is a third-hand account, possibly even more removed, so you can, and probably should, take this with a grain of salt) that GW's attitude is that they are essentially the crème de la crème of miniature wargaming and thus having sales would devalue their brand. I believe the quote was "You don't see Porsche having sales, do you?"

Which is flying rodent gak nuts, IMO.

Looking at GW's history, though, it seems perfectly plausible.

 RatBot wrote:
On the topic of GW not having sales, I seem to recall reading somewhere (this is a third-hand account, possibly even more removed, so you can, and probably should, take this with a grain of salt) that GW's attitude is that they are essentially the crème de la crème of miniature wargaming and thus having sales would devalue their brand. I believe the quote was "You don't see Porsche having sales, do you?"

Which is flying rodent gak nuts, IMO.

Looking at GW's history, though, it seems perfectly plausible.

There's also the third-hand account which brought up the point that if GW were to have sales, it could be seen as undercutting the independents.