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**Ouze**

Kroothawk wrote:
Here two WD preview pics from the upcoming Necron book,...]

This... this is what I was afraid of.

I was super excited about IA12 but after seeing the bomber, and now this, I'm pretty fairly pessimistic about it. The first warning sign was when they released the melta wasps, which, as I said when they were released, looked like someone at Forge World was handed a unassembled Wraith and Tomb Spyder and said "make something different with this, using no new parts".

The new pylon doesn't look like a Forge World kit. it looks like a conversion made by someone with moderate talent who bought 4 Catacomb Command barges.

The new bike looks very much the same - they took a Barge, assembled it a little differently, and added a single resin piece to it: a shroud that doesn't even really fit the aesthetic (although it's probably WIP here so the groove and notches may just not be present yet).

I look to Forgeworld for exciting new models I can't get elsewhere, awesome ideas that just scream "premium aftermarket". Like these!

Unfortunately at this point it looks like GWS proper really cornered the market on that for Necrons. I really wanted this to be an awesome book, but from what i've seen now they simply aren't putting a lot of effort into the Necron stuff.

**Dysartes**

WIP HH Whirlwind - more pics from the open day on my blog

**Sasori**

Dysartes wrote:
I've started posting pictures from the Open Day to my blog, http://www.therenaissancegamer.co.uk - feel free to repost them, as long as the source is quoted.

Do you mind telling us the stats on some of the new Necron stuff? Also, is there anything in the book we haven't seen yet?

**Dysartes**

As far as I can tell, there are some units which haven't been seen yet, but someone who has bought the book will be in a better position to comment.

**Sasori**

Dysartes wrote:
As far as I can tell, there are some units which haven't been seen yet, but someone who has bought the book will be in a better position to comment.

Thank you very much!

I'll forward all my other questions to the other thread, so I don't clog this one up.

**whalemusic360**

Great pic Dy, excited to see they have so much of the HH stuff done or nearly so. No second primarch is a bit surprising. Did they make any mention of that or any other HH SCs?

**MajorWesJanson**

whalemusic360 wrote:
Great pic Dy, excited to see they have so much of the HH stuff done or nearly so. No second primarch is a bit surprising. Did they make any mention of that or any other HH SCs?

They are probably saving Fulgrim for the Heresy weekender. He is at the casting phase apparently. And work is being done on Ferrus Manus, with a duel base to put him and Fulgrim together in.

**Dreadclaw69**

Dysartes wrote:

WIP HH Whirlwind - more pics from the open day on my blog

That looks like an update sculpt of the Epic scale Whirlwinds from the Space Marine game

**Alpharius**

It does?

**Compel**

It certainly doesn't look anything like the Epic 40000 whirlwinds, which were pretty identical to the 2nd edition model.

**Dreadclaw69**

Compare;

Dysartes wrote:

With;

Note the cylindrical missile magazine on each. The FW one has the blast shield to match the infantry missile launcher, and a second missile launcher

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Compel wrote:
It certainly doesn't look anything like the Epic 40000 whirlwinds, which were pretty identical to the 2nd edition model.[/quote
That's why I said the Space Marine game

**Dysartes**

That was the E:A Hunter AA vehicle, IIRC, not a Whirlwind.

**Dreadclaw69**

Dysartes wrote:
That was the E:A Hunter AA vehicle, IIRC, not a Whirlwind.

You are correct. I remembered seeing the model in Space Marine (the game armies) but never seen it named until Epic came out were I seen it referred to as a Whirlwind. Thank you

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hunter#.UWF8FpPFWOc

The Hunter Multi-Launcher is an anti-aircraft support vehicle based on the Rhino chassis.[1] A variant of the Whirlwind, it is based on STC data which is much older than the more recent Whirlwind Hyperios.[3]
The Hunter is the first known dedicated anti-aircraft platform fielded by the Adeptus Astartes. Prior to the discovery of the STC for the Hunter, Space Marine forces had attempted to retrofit various designs to the Whirlwind artillery vehicle, with largely negative results.[1] Though a stable pattern of anti-aircraft Whirlwind was ultimately achieved in the Hyperios, several Chapters have continued to use the Hunter on many battlefields, including the recent Third War for Armageddon.[3]
The hunter missile used by the multi-launcher is faster and more accurate than those used by Whirlwinds, with unfolding fins to help guide it to the target, and the vehicle itself has a longer operational range. The missile is guided by a large scanning array that features an algorithmic precognitive targeter located opposite the cylindrical missile feed. STC Hunters feature one launch tube fed by a single rotary system, but some Techmarines have modified their charges with pairs launch units and a central sensor suite for improve efficiency

**skoffs**

For the love of all that is plastic and holy, can somebody PLEASE get their hands on a copy of IA12 so they can confirm whether or not there are any other Necron stuff listed therein that is not already on display?
(last year, FW said they were working on a 'Cron superheavy... so far, no sign of anything that might fit that description).

**kronk**

Thanks for posting the Newletter Kroot. I was decidedly busy Friday through today.

**H.B.M.C.**

D’ya get the feeling that FW were given an awfully short leash when it came to inventing new Necron units?

**Bolognesus**

Bleagh, yeah. Haven't seen a think which looks better than a decent to good-ish kitbash so far.

**Kroothawk**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
D’ya get the feeling that FW were given an awfully short leash when it came to inventing new Necron units?

BL and FW are the only prospering branches of GW, while the main business is kept afloat only by crazy price hikes.
Now GW managers have dealt with BL and intoduced a new policy there, FW will be next.

**H.B.M.C.**

You know I said that exact same thing in the Open Day thread?

**dienekes96**

Look, you mooks want to make some real money? Your great designs and steady stream of desired products may have made a few beans, but once you adopt our high quality management schema, the cheddar will really start to roll in. We will all be rich!

In all seriousness...this is what Edward Gibbon was talking about. I'm not one to complain, especially about something only possible in the future, but quit trying to fix something that is WORKING.

**Alpharius**

dienekes96 wrote:
I'm not one to complain, especially about something only possible in the future, but quit trying to fix something that is WORKING.

Yes, exactly!

Well said!

We'll see where we end up though...

**sockwithaticket**

Did we get any release dates for various things on display?

**Kanluwen**

Probably not.

But if I had to hazard a guess...
Troll Mother: We're looking at a few months for this lady. She's still very much a WIP.
Merwyrm: Within the next month, at least, given that the showcased model was an actual cast from whatever mold they're using.

IA12 and associated products: Within the next month.
Fulgrim: Fairly soon, unless they hold off on releasing him until Ferrus is done. Report was that Fulgrim is "done" and that they're just waiting for the molds to be finished.

The rest of the Horus Heresy stuff? No clue on. It might depend if they're waiting for the next book to be ready or if they just want to slam the market at once with it.

**kronk**

Updated some Rumors in the first post from the GD thread to keep rumors in one place. They aren't exhaustive, but I think they're the key ones so far.

**sockwithaticket**

Cheers, gents. Frankly the thing I'm most interested in is the Destroyer squad's ETA. I love those helmets and I'm in need of some running Mk. IV legs for a project.

**Kanluwen**

Which Destroyer squad?

There's the one which was on presale at the Open Day yesterday...and then there's going to be a variant with jump packs.

The one that was on presale at Open Day will likely be available in the next few weeks.

**Valhallan42nd**

Kroothawk wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
D’ya get the feeling that FW were given an awfully short leash when it came to inventing new Necron units?

BL and FW are the only prospering branches of GW, while the main business is kept afloat only by crazy price hikes.
Now GW managers have dealt with BL and intoduced a new policy there, FW will be next.

I must have missed that policy change. What's the skinny?

**sockwithaticket**

Kanluwen wrote:
Which Destroyer squad?

There's the one which was on presale at the Open Day yesterday...and then there's going to be a variant with jump packs.

The one that was on presale at Open Day will likely be available in the next few weeks.

Well, as far as I was aware there was only the one without Jump Packs and that's what I had my eye on. Given it was one of the images used in the Open day preview I figured it might be available on the day and therefore be on track for imminent general release. Guess I'll just have to a wait a few weeks. Thanks for the info.

**Kanluwen**

Valhallan42nd wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
D’ya get the feeling that FW were given an awfully short leash when it came to inventing new Necron units?

BL and FW are the only prospering branches of GW, while the main business is kept afloat only by crazy price hikes.
Now GW managers have dealt with BL and intoduced a new policy there, FW will be next.

I must have missed that policy change. What's the skinny?

Nothing earthshatteringly huge. Horus Heresy novels are going to be announced the week before their release.

That is all. The rest of the novel lines are not going to be affected, just the Horus Heresy novels.

**H.B.M.C.**

Trust Kan to downplay another idiotic move by GW as if it were nothing.

GW's paranoid policy of only announcing new products seconds before they are released (for fear we'll get board and wander off to stare at a wall or something... their reasoning has never had a lot of 'reason' to it) now applies to HH books. So you won't know what they are or when until they're just about to hit. Fun for the whole family.

Forge World remains the one adult in that group, perfectly capable of understanding just how you promote and preview upcoming products to generate interest (y'know, like most companies do...).