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I also play orks and wont be buying. All I really need is the ork stats and rules. Everything else is usless in my area. 30 dallors for a few rules isnt worth it. I already payed 80 for the rulebook. If your gunna make twikes they should be free faqs otherwise save it for the next edition.

I'm a parent which means I've developed infinite pacience. I can wait for the next ork codex. My only real concern is since they went to all the trouble to do this that they wont put the flyer information in the next dex and force us to buy the compendium with it.

I personally will not be buying it. Fliers are almost non-existent in my gaming club and I have only played one game ever which included one. The changes will (should) be in the 6th edition codices anyway when they come out so this is just a money grabbing move by GW. I'm not going to waste my money.

I must admit im kinda miffed by this. I play a Blood Angels Success or Chapter (the Blood Paladins) and while I only started playing them today I was thinking about adding a couple of storm ravens to my list eventually along with some assault termies death company a furioso dread couple of baal preds death company dread. HOWEVER now the fact that Codex Space Marines and Black Templars can take both the storm talon and storm ravens means im going to be in for a nightmare. Btw can anyone who can access the FAQ tell me if I need to purchase this book to use a Storm Raven in my Blood Paladins army?

I'm not sure why people are complaining, all the codex have stolen something, like everyone did steal twin linked AC dread from the Mortis dread (originally DA), the land raider crusader (BT), and the ability to swap FoC (DA)

I can see why they're reprinting stuff from WD (even if it is dickish to charge people for it), but why are they reprinting rules for Vendettas/Valkries? Unless they're changing the rules or statlines for them, in which case you have two contradictory rules versions.

That's my main concern - is the IG stuff going to get a points and /or armor value adjustment?

 Spyral wrote:
That's my main concern - is the IG stuff going to get a points and /or armor value adjustment?

Nope. The Valk/Vendetta have lost DS and Scouts and that's all.

I think the book is silly. But opening up the stormraven is good, I think it should be a staple choice in any marine codex, including CSM, like the rhino and land raider.

Yeah, CSM got their own flyer, but so did space marines allready. More options, is never a bad thing in my mind.

I couldn't care less one way or another on the StormRaven. What gets me is that they could have released a new Tau Flier, a new Eldar Flier, given SW and BT each a unique flier (don't even need a kit for these, just rules) and maybe a named Ork pilot. Instead it's just an FAQ. No thanks.

All I can see here is GW noticing that people are getting hacked off with them, and not buying as much, but not realising why they are annoying pepole, and then doing completely the wrong thing about it.

This probably is a desperate money grab, and I am taking this as a sign that GW are now straining themselves to keep up the production on all their "improvements" while new customers are getting priced out of the system, and old players are realizing what GW is trying to do.

So long as people can make sure GW's sales go down for the next few months, we might just see a change in GW's attitude.
If not, then GW's gonna die.

As a new player I am still getting the feel for how GW works. This is unsettling but I am not too upset yet. I will be watching closely to see where the flier meta goes before committing. If anyone has buddies you can always pitch in money to buy a "community" copy to see the rules, unfortunately I have no other players I could pitch in with myself.

Bad move, GW, bad move.

Just had a lookie around the site, and there are box sets of multiple flyers at no cost reduction.
Added to that, the site describes the majority of the £20GBP rulebook as being pretty pictures and "detailed accounts" of battles (which are things I never use because I hate overwriting published fluff by not having the battle turn out the way it is reported).

Money grab in the extreme.

I'm looking forward to the new "Space's Aces" supplement where your aerial squadron leader cinematically challenges another fighter in one-on-one dogfight action before continuing his strafing run!

Or not.

 amanita wrote:
I'm looking forward to the new "Space's Aces" supplement where your aerial squadron leader cinematically challenges another fighter in one-on-one dogfight action before continuing his strafing run!

Or not.

I get the feeling that this may actually be GW's thinking.

"How do we get our customers back? MOAR CONTENT!"

6th ed needs more simplified and streamlined gameplay for larger games, not a plethora of additional mini-games...

As a Templar, i'm interested in seeing what this brings me Considering i'm still a 4th ed codex. And while I understand some concerns about things like the Storm Raven.. I came into the Game as a Templar player and my codex is all about landing troopers or quick fly by assault drops..i have nothing but pods and this is upset..so..Bring on the Ravens and Talons, The Templars are back in town!!

lame. what a messy messy game theyve made and they continue to make it more messy.

i guess its too much to ask to have all my rules in one place.

Money Grabbing at its finest.

This will be just as if not more disappointing than the 'Crusade of Fire' supplement. (I stupidly bought it.)

'Fool me once shame on you GW, fool me twice shame on me and my entire family.'

What I want to know is when GW will published the SM's codex for the 6th ed, does it will give the rules of the Storme raven ant talon in the new codex.... if yes, I can wait... if not, I will play tyranid and csm.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Horrible.
What's next? Death Company for the Ultramarines? And Sanguinary Guard for all chapters?

Yeah, or Landspeeder Tornadoes for Blood Angels? And Mortis Dreadnoughts for all chapters?....wait, what!

Im just gonna leave this here....

I'm hoping that people don't get the book and then I can claim that GK got storm talons and use them (I actually like the storm talon model... as I liked the storm raven from before too >_> I already own them from back near release but never bought the talon cause my codex can't use it, I may get some if GK get to use them sometime in the future)

OK lets be honest here. We are not FORCED to buy anything. IMO dont buy it. I sure as heck wont. I didn't buy the WD either. No ones really asked to see my copy of the rules. They pretty much know what my dakkajet does. I'm talking Tourney play as well. But my FLGS keeps stuff like that in case someone brings up the question.

If all it has are flyer rules than I feel there is no need to buy what I already have access to. Owning my codex and having a copy of the FAQ is really what i need to bring in case.

Out of curiosity, does that mean that the Blood Angels Codex now has access to the Storm Talon?!

How many Death from the Skies threads do we need?

I think this was/is covered by the N&R threads on the subject.

Personally, I will be getting a copy.

No reason to buy it, I play Tau...

I think this is the only time I'm happy Tau got bypassed by something.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I think this is the only time I'm happy Tau got bypassed by something.

Ditto.

Warmachine is looking more and more enticing...at least I would get regular updates through them...

here is a thought GW why not update all of the Codexs? Hell i can't tell you the last time the SoB got a codex. I think a lot of people would prefer to buy a new complete codex then just another 3 or 4 page book.

Personally i would like the rules but i really just can't justify the cost especaiily since i don't play that often and my SM codex is getting very thick with amendments.

With the limited info we all know its going to have this shouldnt have been a book at all, let alone a 33dollar one that once again is probably 90% fluff and fancy pictures that noone cares about.

Want to play SM/Orks? Cool, after you chucked out oodles of money for the models and the rule book, buy this too!
EDIT: Yea, people would rather buy a new codex. GW isnt people though, theyre money-hungry donkey-caves. Why would they release a new codex for 30-40 bucks with several small tweaks, making new players only needing 1 book, when they could keep the current 30-40dollar codex and release another book the same cost so new players gotta pay that price TWICE!
GW seriously needs to stop with this greedy bit. Their game is already stupid popular and makes a ton of money. Its no where near dead, so why are they trying to milk it? You stretch every possibility to make money when a product is showing signs of fading off - its only fading off because of GW's bullcrap.

- waste - of - time - and - money -