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 n0t_u wrote:
Avatar I've left my potato gun, oracle turret, thaumometer and thuamcraft clothes in your Enderchest. Along with the lone diamond I had, 12 sapphires and 22 apples as payment for it.

If it's taking up too much space, feel free to throw out the clothing leaving the boots second last and the goggles for last.

I knew there was something else I needed to test.

I accidentally discovered that I could open Corpses' private enderchests and remove items at will (I put them back of course) and then forgot to try and find someone else to test this on, but since all my enderchests are private and n0t_u has managed to put things in it regardless, does this mean that putting a diamond on the lock is only useful to prevent people mixing up colour codes? As it seems to have no effect whatsoever on who can put in or take out items.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Avatar I've left my potato gun, oracle turret, thaumometer and thuamcraft clothes in your Enderchest. Along with the lone diamond I had, 12 sapphires and 22 apples as payment for it.

If it's taking up too much space, feel free to throw out the clothing leaving the boots second last and the goggles for last.

I knew there was something else I needed to test.

I accidentally discovered that I could open Corpses' private enderchests and remove items at will (I put them back of course) and then forgot to try and find someone else to test this on, but since all my enderchests are private and n0t_u has managed to put things in it regardless, does this mean that putting a diamond on the lock is only useful to prevent people mixing up colour codes? As it seems to have no effect whatsoever on who can put in or take out items.

Only from that specific chest. Thats why most people destroy their chest and have an ender pouch to that specific chest.
But you can access others ender chests. So Greatest way to avoid it? If it has a diamond lock on it. Don't open it if it is not yours.

That is the worst way ever to avoid it. It's like telling a burglar that there's a house with a broken lock on the ront door, but don't break in because it's not their house.

It just seems like spending a diamond on making a chest 'private' is pretty much pointless unless you do break your chests, but even then it's expensive anyway.

Breaking your ender chests and carrying them in your inventory is the only way to make the diamond locks worth it, but then who carries around an ender-chest full of stuff when a bag or backpack does the exact same?

 Avatar 720 wrote:
That is the worst way ever to avoid it. It's like telling a burglar that there's a house with a broken lock on the ront door, but don't break in because it's not their house.

It just seems like spending a diamond on making a chest 'private' is pretty much pointless unless you do break your chests, but even then it's expensive anyway.

Breaking your ender chests and carrying them in your inventory is the only way to make the diamond locks worth it, but then who carries around an ender-chest full of stuff when a bag or backpack does the exact same?

Its also why I have an impentrable vault in my house made from thaumcraft warded blocks. and the only way in is through a door that is also warded.
Done finished. You can't get into it.

Its not pointless as someone could place down the same color code without the lock and just steal everything from his own home without having to go to the place he is stealing items from. So what do you do? you put everything in a locked chest in a safe place.

Plus we do not have robbers on our server.

Its not pointless as someone could place down the same color code without the lock and just steal everything from his own home without having to go to the place he is stealing items from.

To know the code they'd have to have seen it. To see it they'd have had to be near it. If you're near it, why not just take it all?

Also note I said 'pretty much pointless', not 'it is pointless'.

Plus we do not have robbers on our server.

...until the next one joins.

Making a chest private prevents people accidentally using your Ender Storage colour code for their void pipe ejector bin

Making it private does not make it a personal safe, but as has been said, you can break the chest to prevent access (and you get the diamond back - the diamond is just a deposit). Just chuck the ender chest item into a plain chest nearby and place it down and add the diamond when you need it and break it again after?

Even if someone knows your colour combo, if they put the chest down and put the colour combo on it, they will either get the public chest or their own chest, not yours.

I think Ender Pouches can only be attuned to colour combos by right clicking them on a chest set to that combination, so yes, make the chest, break it and then just carry the pouch with you, no need for the chest.

If you do want a block that remains persistent in the world that stores an inventory that you don't want people to be able to open, use a Personal Safe, but this can only be accessed from that location.

This is why I'm asking you all to use Ender Chests for the move, because where ever you decide to set up your new home, you'll get access to your stuff once you can make an Ender Chest. Plus there's a little bit more of a challenge to starting out again rather than just starting on the new server immediately in full quantum.

 darkinnit wrote:
Making a chest private prevents people accidentally using your Ender Storage colour code for their void pipe ejector bin

Making it private does not make it a personal safe, but as has been said, you can break the chest to prevent access (and you get the diamond back - the diamond is just a deposit). Just chuck the ender chest item into a plain chest nearby and place it down and add the diamond when you need it and break it again after?

Even if someone knows your colour combo, if they put the chest down and put the colour combo on it, they will either get the public chest or their own chest, not yours.

I think Ender Pouches can only be attuned to colour combos by right clicking them on a chest set to that combination, so yes, make the chest, break it and then just carry the pouch with you, no need for the chest.

If you do want a block that remains persistent in the world that stores an inventory that you don't want people to be able to open, use a Personal Safe, but this can only be accessed from that location.

This is why I'm asking you all to use Ender Chests for the move, because where ever you decide to set up your new home, you'll get access to your stuff once you can make an Ender Chest. Plus there's a little bit more of a challenge to starting out again rather than just starting on the new server immediately in full quantum.

I am waiting on the new update for the server. So yeah.... I won't be on till it is created.

Are we starting out like equipment for skyblock (8 wood and no food) Would be fun to remake a skyblock and place someone there just for the hell of it.

I won't be able to get on and place my goods in a chest till this afternoon at the earliest, most likely.
If I'm on earlier and finish placing my stuff in a chest I'll say so.

What time do you expect to change the server, Dark?

Yeah a timeframe for me would be great. I am planning out my new headquarters and how to build it in survival with no materials except wood.

finished transfering items... I think...


Also, anyone else having trouble installing the ultimate pack?

Try disabling your anti-virus programs until its updated.

 darkinnit wrote:
Earliest possible date for switchover would be Saturday evening (GMT), but it's more likely to be some time on Sunday at the moment.

Whenever it happens, I intend to bend all of my resources towards obsidian. From there, I should have enough iron for a trip to the nether, to get some blaze rods. I'll sell all of the surplus.

I think we need to rethink the GregTech recipe situation. I've looked into it and if I change the recipes on the server, it doesn't change the crafting recipe information at your end (unless you mess about with your configs to match the server).

This is bad because although yes you can use the cheap recipes, it looks like the recipe doesn't give anything until you click the output box. Also if you try to look up a recipe, it will be the expensive one, and someone who doesn't know about the changes might go through all the longer way of doing it before getting stuck with a lot of items they don't need.

Getting everyone to change their configs will be a real pain too. What if you want to play normal GregTech in single player, or connect to another server that has normal GregTech? What if you switch computers frequently? The whole point of a modpack is for it to be one click to get going, making everyone have to mess about with configs (even if it is just one file) kind of breaks that.

The items being changed are not too many either:
Massfabricator
Electric tools (Drill, Wrench, Chainsaw, Hoe, Treetap)
MiningLaser
Quarry
Macerator
NanoSaber
SolarPanel
Windmill
Watermill

GregTech also balances out some of these expensive recipes by allowing EnergyCrystals being craftable with a Ruby instead of a diamond and Lapotron Crystals being craftable with Sapphire instead of an EnergyCrystal.

I'm now thinking the server should stick to GregTech's crafting recipes unless someone comes up with a very good reason we should all be messing about with configs just to play the game.

Okay. I'm fine with that.

I just want the server to be up so i can start building my mansion O.o

Whooo! Brilliant I love the challenge gregtech gives and makes me like IC2

I might for a challenge begin in the twilight forest and see what happens hahaha

Hmm, if we leave GregTech as it is, would I have any trouble if I've already changed the configs? (single player world)

So any mass fabricators in ender chests would become useless?
I don't really understand the point of Gregtech- let's make everything in a mod much more difficult to craft! Yay! I'd rather have the mild incvenience of NEI not matching, but I understand that the majority have control. I really dislike that it changes other mods- especially the Quarry Recipe change- GT was intended as an alteration to IC2, not Buildcraft.
Anyway, ignore me. Just wanted to vent. Do what is best for the server and the players, Dark.

While I do have a theoretical solution, it's so very unwieldy that it's not worth mentioning.

I think I might work on a massive number of Arcane Bores when I can. I wanna just tunnel right through everything. Also, will definitely be bumming around in the Cave world more. I didn't realize how awesome that place can be.

Anvildude wrote:
I think I might work on a massive number of Arcane Bores when I can. I wanna just tunnel right through everything. Also, will definitely be bumming around in the Cave world more. I didn't realize how awesome that place can be.

Unless you don't have any wood :/
*update*
I got 2 stacks of it i died
and now stuck in our hosue. Lost my wand and a gak load of other stuff

Anvildude wrote:
I think I might work on a massive number of Arcane Bores when I can. I wanna just tunnel right through everything. Also, will definitely be bumming around in the Cave world more. I didn't realize how awesome that place can be.

Arcane bores can be tricky, They do need to be within a certain distance of a node or they dont work, so using them at bedrock sometimes means they dont do anything.
Not sure if that is changed in recent updates.

Can we restart the server now. The cave world is the most unforgiving place i've ever gone to.

lol, they always were XD

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
lol, they always were XD

Sorry. But creepers DROP FROM FETHING SKY AND EXPLODE ON CONTACT

I know, I was at your house when it happened XD

The area directly above is mostly litup now, so creeper rain should be less frequent

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I know, I was at your house when it happened XD

The area directly above is mostly litup now, so creeper rain should be less frequent

Well feth it. I am going onto a strategy game and killing the entire populace that i encounter.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Hmm, if we leave GregTech as it is, would I have any trouble if I've already changed the configs? (single player world)

You'll just have mismatched crafting recipes (so you'll have to look up the recipes online or craft things from memory). You can keep two copies of the config file and swap them over when switching between single player and multiplayer, but I think it's unreasonable to ask everyone to do this.

4oursword wrote:So any mass fabricators in ender chests would become useless?
I don't really understand the point of Gregtech- let's make everything in a mod much more difficult to craft! Yay! I'd rather have the mild incvenience of NEI not matching, but I understand that the majority have control. I really dislike that it changes other mods- especially the Quarry Recipe change- GT was intended as an alteration to IC2, not Buildcraft.
Anyway, ignore me. Just wanted to vent. Do what is best for the server and the players, Dark.

While I do have a theoretical solution, it's so very unwieldy that it's not worth mentioning.

I'll check out the Massfabricators now, but it looks like they get replaced with Matterfabricators.

I do understand your frustrations and I don't want to try to convert you, but I just want to point out a few things.

The Ultimate modpack is not just the "IC2 modpack". There are many many mods in the pack, lots of equivalent machines with cheaper recipes and lots of things to do instead. IC2 is also one of the oldest mods and surely we must have done all of IC2 before now? I hardly played Tekkit and I feel like I've already gone through IC2. Further, the number of changed recipes is actually quite small as I've listed, and the Quarry recipe is the least different of them all. Finally, each of the changed items you only really need to make one of (well, except the drill, which is needed for the Quarry ).

I've decided I'm not going to copy any of my own items across, I'm going to start from scratch, so that I will have to go through (or or work around) GregTech too.

I think the minor "ripping the bandaid off" of making machines using the harder recipes and learning other mods in the pack will be much better than a longer more drawn out pain of having to explain to every single new player how to change their config and why. Also, if this modpack is being developed with GregTech's IC2 balancing in mind, whenever they make any updates, changes or new mods I'd have to keep checking and re-adjusting things all over again.

Take the challenge, you've played it through one way, now try another.

It looks harder but i think everyone will help everyone out learning stuff.

I will stay with thaumcraft and hopefully it is safe to make golems and start making my mansion thaumcraft/griefer proof.

Until then I wait patiently* for ultimate.

*may or may not be true.

I sort of panicked at first when I saw that massfabs have been heavily nerfed. However they now take extreme voltage and various other scrap-substitutes that allow you to rebuff them up to roughly the same level as they were before.

I suppose the most annoying part of GregTech is electric tools needing steel as well as expensive macerators... Solar panels actually aren't to bad...

Advanced Solars is cool, way better than solar arrays!