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Doctadeth wrote:Does that mean the advanced gregtech machines are out along with the basic recipes.

If "No GregTech" was chosen, it would, yes.

Wyrmalla wrote:Is there a forum page that lists the contents of the proposed alternative pack to ultimate (and the mod versions associated if available)?

Closest I can find:
http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/changelogs-for-the-152-prerelease-packs.24367/

I'm not seeing any Bibliocraft. ...Why am I not seeing bibliocraft? *Life ruined. Though not to say that its not in, just that they still haven't bothered updating the thing.

Oh Natura's in. Hmn, might be a bit controversial about its new spawns (ie nether safari..).

Hmn, I guess we'll deal with the changes when they come. < From the standpoint of someone who doesn't get involved much in anything bar building *purdy houses.

Kinda sad that redpower isnt in, I seem to always use that mod.

Best Survey ever.

For the lazy/stupid:

Forge - 7.8.1.737
CodeChickenCore - 0.8.7
CoFHCore - 1.5.2.4
InvTweaks - 1.55.b34
NotEnoughItems - 1.5.2.28
PowerCrystalsCore - 1.1.6-107
AppliedEnergistics - rv11-a
ChickenChunks - 1.3.2.12
CompactSolars - 4.2.0.50
EnderStorage - 1.4.2.12
ExtraUtils - 0.2.3b
GregTech - 3.07i
IndustrialCraft2 - 1.115.348-lf_alpha
IronChest - 5.2.8.443
MineFactoryReloaded - 2.6.4-975
MiscPeripherals - 3.3e
ModularForceFieldSystem - 2.3.0.1-28dev
ModularPowerSuits - 0.7.0.534
Natura - 2.1
NEIAddons - 1.7.2.r21
NEIPlugins - 1.0.9.3
OmniTools - 3.1.5.0
PluginsForForestry - 3.0.17
RailCraft - 7.2.3.0
SoulShards - 1.0.36
StevesCarts - 2.0.0.a120
ThermalExpansion - 2.4.4.1
TinkersConstruct - 1.3-dev60
VoxelMap - 1.5.2.u88

No portal either. But power armour is still there.

Natura though, will it include the animals and such in multi?

Just throwing this out there, gregtech is a major contributor to your lag problems, as it encourages a farm-heavy playstyle, it doesn't really do very much but make crazy builds take longer, and require crazy amounts of supplies that only effect people starting out, i'll miss some of the machines

starting over would be aweful =/ can we at least bring along a chest of supplies or something you can cut+paste in mineedit or somesuch? It would be out responsibility to check the item id's in NEI to make sure they match, or we get nothing.

I also just noticed... NO MYSTCRAFT

I'd thought that that list was just noting which mods were being updated between editions. ...However if its the case that that is the complete list then I suppose its nice to see that they're trying for a more compact set. I can't see the logic of taking mystcraft and portal guns out (if it was ever there) and leaving things like gregtech and modular force fields (do they really have that much of a fanbase) in. I suppose that the lack of ages simplifies things, but considering our server would it really be a good idea to have the lag inducing factories in the overworld? Though a lack of gregtech could make that moot. However the travelling capabilities of link books and portal guns are things that we take for granted. I'd hope that that pack wouldn't leave us with just the vanilla nether system for travel. as I'd just be turning my power armour's speed up to max and flying to wherever I wanted to go. ...I seem to be the only one who flies a few thousand blocks at a go, and its bad enough on server speeds with just me doing it. =/

Meh. =)

I'm probably going to zone a few hundred thousand blocks out, and settle down and quarry my butt off.

No Mystcraft? Shame. Mystcraft didn't add much, but those linking books were really useful.

Natura looks awesome, I might have to create a Redwood forest. Some of the Biomes O' Plenty stuff looks awesome too.

Mystcraft only just updated to 1.5, so it's likely it wasn't in the pre-release but will be in the stable version.

As for PortalGun and Bibliocraft, I can't imagine them being left out, and that list doesn't look complete to me. When the pack is released tomorrow we can take a look.

I don't think I will carry anything across in the case of a reset, which is why I'm asking if people would prefer to wait for 1.6. Especially if we drop Gregtech, gives people a chance to finish any fusion reactors or other systems etc.


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Here's the survey link again, only had 6 responses so far, but I'll leave it open for a bit for those in different timezones:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3J28CZN

Isn't Bibliocraft pretty much reliant on Mystcraft?

 4oursword wrote:
Isn't Bibliocraft pretty much reliant on Mystcraft?

No, Bibliocraft adds storage and display stands for many things (armor, tools etc). Enchanted books and written books also work in the book cases.

derp, my bad.


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Has that Soul Shard Anvil bug been fixed, I wonder...

to be honest I dont care about mystcraft if I have an easy way of protecting everything from creepers

The gregtech thing is a pain , i enjoy the mod itself , adds more of a challenge to the game so i like it , however i find certain things annoying -- iridium being such a pain to obtain , and one other thing would we be able to transfer anything to the new world or is that not possible.

Also i suggest a void mushroom biome for a crazy builds age if we do include gregtech and end up creating lag-machines.

There's no Thaumcraft on there.


I'm in favor of waiting out until there's updates to all of the most-used mods. For things like new ore generation and such- wasn't that the entire point of the Mining Age? This'd be a time to reset the thing.

But yeah. I think a lot of people have put a ton of work into their stuff on this server, so much so that a full wipe reset wouldn't be appropriate- if there's a way to do an update (probably to the 1.6?) without a world wipe, I'm for that.


Also, I really don't want to have to start designing and building a new tower again, especially when this one hasn't been finished yet.

 darkinnit wrote:

Here's the survey link again, only had 6 responses so far, but I'll leave it open for a bit for those in different timezones:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3J28CZN

How is it playing out?

Travel time might be an issue without Mystcraft, but let's not forget that we all managed before. I have to admit that the Hot Spring biome's water seems a little overpowered- keep a pool of it and you may never need to eat again.

Gave my response to the survey.

Basically, while gregtech is a pain in the ass, and gregorious prefers busywork over a good quality mod, I'd still vote for more content over less.

 4oursword wrote:

 darkinnit wrote:

Here's the survey link again, only had 6 responses so far, but I'll leave it open for a bit for those in different timezones:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3J28CZN

How is it playing out?

Travel time might be an issue without Mystcraft, but let's not forget that we all managed before. I have to admit that the Hot Spring biome's water seems a little overpowered- keep a pool of it and you may never need to eat again.

however i think biomes can be disabled during world spawn , thus eliminating that problem , also it is apparently a rare biome

cptprice0330 wrote:would we be able to transfer anything to the new world or is that not possible.

darkinnit wrote:I don't think I will carry anything across in the case of a reset, which is why I'm asking if people would prefer to wait for 1.6. Especially if we drop Gregtech, gives people a chance to finish any fusion reactors or other systems etc.

My reasoning for not carrying things across is that the modpack has changed drastically. If GregTech is out and we go to 1.5 (rather than wait for 1.6), that's three major mods gone (GregTech, Redpower and Xycraft) also apparently Thermal Expansion has undergone major changes which mean a lot of that stuff gets switched about. Depending on which mods you've used, you may get an unfair advantage or may be effectively starting from scratch anyway. The simplest way to keep things fair and minimise complaints is to reset everyone from scratch.

Waiting for 1.6 means a longer time between resets, but then we don't get to play with the shiny new things sooner.

Here's the GregTech survey link again, got 9 responses now, and although it's pretty much a landslide right now, I'd still like to keep it up for just a little longer.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3J28CZN

 darkinnit wrote:

cptprice0330 wrote:would we be able to transfer anything to the new world or is that not possible.

darkinnit wrote:I don't think I will carry anything across in the case of a reset, which is why I'm asking if people would prefer to wait for 1.6. Especially if we drop Gregtech, gives people a chance to finish any fusion reactors or other systems etc.

My reasoning for not carrying things across is that the modpack has changed drastically. If GregTech is out and we go to 1.5 (rather than wait for 1.6), that's three major mods gone (GregTech, Redpower and Xycraft) also apparently Thermal Expansion has undergone major changes which mean a lot of that stuff gets switched about. Depending on which mods you've used, you may get an unfair advantage or may be effectively starting from scratch anyway. The simplest way to keep things fair and minimise complaints is to reset everyone from scratch.

Waiting for 1.6 means a longer time between resets, but then we don't get to play with the shiny new things sooner.

Here's the GregTech survey link again, got 9 responses now, and although it's pretty much a landslide right now, I'd still like to keep it up for just a little longer.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3J28CZN

right , that makes sense , also remember people 1.5+ is a lot less laggy due to vanilla fixes and some redoing of a forge render .
and of course i don't need to kill the server with mining machines because of the new tesseracts

RE: Hot Springs: As soon as one person finds it though, that's it. It'll be traded globally. And it's a snazzy biome other than that.

(edit for clarity)

cptprice0330 wrote:

right , that makes sense , also remember people 1.5+ is a lot less laggy due to vanilla fixes and some redoing of a forge render .
and of course i don't need to kill the server with mining machines because of the new tesseracts

whats new about those?

 4oursword wrote:
As soon as one person finds it though, that's it. It'll be traded globally. And it's a snazzy biome other than that.

you can't make infinite sources , it be a limited resource

Anvildude wrote:
There's no Thaumcraft on there.

Thaumcraft was also one of the mods that only just updated to 1.5.

I'd suspect that the reason they're releasing the 1.5 pack as "stable" now is because Mystcraft and Thaumcraft updated. I can't imagine them not having Mystcraft, Thaumcraft, Bibliocraft and PortalGun in the modpack, but we'll just have to see tomorrow.

They save there data with shiny dust , so turtles can pick them up and move them

What's the landslide heading towards anyway?

cptprice0330 wrote:
They save there data with shiny dust , so turtles can pick them up and move them

whats this? I cant hear you over the screams of the dying in my meat brick factory

>:-D

yay for bricks of meat

I just downloaded the most recent version of the "No GregTech" 1.5 prerelease pack.

It doesn't have Biomes o' Plenty but is actually still ExtraBiomesXL
It does have PortalGun
It does have Mystcraft
It doesn't have Thaumcraft (but I suspect that's because it only recently updated)
It doesn't appear to be the update that allows you to place any liquid into the world (such as redstone/glowstone/sewage etc)

Of course this may change in the next pack tomorrow, but apart from Thaumcraft, I'd say it's unlikely.


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EDIT: It doesn't have Bibliocraft (but again, I'd imagine they are adding it...)