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Lol, I was just saying my opinion.

Me personally, I feel the most important things about games is the story, the main quest, the reason what you are doing. So games like Skyrrim and Battlefield suffer. I still love the Battlefield series but I feel like they are all missing a huge section of game without a main story.


Thats just my opinion though

I agree with a good deal of the games listed, at least the ones I have played. Adding more:

Xcom UFO Defense
Xcom Apoc
Baldur's Gate 2
Final Fantasy Tactics
Shadowrun (snes, never played the genesis one)
Kid Chameleon
Altered Beast..hmm wait...

Now that I think about it though, much of what I liked on late NES and early SNES era may not have been the best (being in the single digit age still).

 Amaya wrote:

 Galdos wrote:
How does anyone give a 10/10 to a game with a horrible story (If you didnt even finish the main quest of Skyriim I dont see how you can claim its worth a 10) or doesnt even have one (Battlefield series)

A game only needs a story/MQ if it is story/MQ driven. None of the TES or Fallout 3 are oriented heavily around the MQ.

Concerning Skyrim:
1) Better main quest than Oblivion and many other recent big name RPGs (DA:O, DA2, and ME2 come to mind. I don't think ME1 had a particularly good main story for the most part either). Honestly, did anyone particularly enjoy the Oblivion MQ?
2) Good faction quests aside from the Stormcloak/Imperial Legion.
3) Good Daedric quests, especially Molag Bal, Sheogorath, Sanquinis, and Namira (if only because the Namira questline was the first time I've actually been creeped out by a video game in a while).
4) Some very fun miscellaneous quests.

Spoiler:

Favorite that I can recall OTTOMH is the one in the prison

Even if this was true it doesn't redeem the extremely boring gameplay.

Okay I'll bite on to the "as close to perfect for it's time"

Unreal tournament
Unreal tourament 2k4
Halo: CE
C&C: Tiberium Sun
Planescape: torment
Fallout 1
Fallout 2
Armored Core: Project Phantasma
ChromeHounds
Warcraft 2
Warcraft 3
Dungeon Siege 1
Europa Universalis 3
Sacrifice

Honestly, this topic has just kind of devolved into "what are your favourite games".

My list

Star Wars Dark Forces
Goldeneye
Dungeon keeper 1
Syndicate
Theme hospital
Battlefield 1942 and additions
System shock 2
Diablo and hellfire
Warcraft 2
Fallout 2
unreal tournament
C&C tiberium sun with firestorm
UFO DEFENSE

Bastion.

 Soladrin wrote:
Honestly, this topic has just kind of devolved into "what are your favourite games".

My favorite game ever is probably Pokemon Silver, and I didn't list it

Your move sir

 LordofHats wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:
Honestly, this topic has just kind of devolved into "what are your favourite games".

My favorite game ever is probably Pokemon Silver, and I didn't list it

Your move sir

Mines probably Summoner, but I know it has glaring problems so this puts us even sir.

Metal Gear Solid
Half Life (series)
FF VII (PS1 version - the PC port had crappy MIDI versions of the soundtrack)
Skyrim
Halo
Ocarina Of Time
Gran Turismo (PS1)

Most of those titles were game-changers of their time, nearly all raised the bar and all are still great to play years later.

I did put my favourite games on the list (apart from Max Payne 2 and Halo 2). However all of the PC strategy games were ones i didnt play but know are the best. I used to enjoy watching my friend play them though.

Strangely enough Twilight Princess is my favourite Zelda game, yet I didn't give it 10/10.

I'm more unbiased than I thought

My list

Knights of the Old Republic 1
Dragon Age: Origins
TES III: Morrowind
Company of Heroes
Not sure which Total War game is the best, the original medieval was awesome
Age of Empires II

I think the original Wizardry gets my vote.. for the time. Even though by todays standards all the kids would just laugh and call it names.

 illuknisaa wrote:

 Amaya wrote:

 Galdos wrote:
How does anyone give a 10/10 to a game with a horrible story (If you didnt even finish the main quest of Skyriim I dont see how you can claim its worth a 10) or doesnt even have one (Battlefield series)

A game only needs a story/MQ if it is story/MQ driven. None of the TES or Fallout 3 are oriented heavily around the MQ.

Concerning Skyrim:
1) Better main quest than Oblivion and many other recent big name RPGs (DA:O, DA2, and ME2 come to mind. I don't think ME1 had a particularly good main story for the most part either). Honestly, did anyone particularly enjoy the Oblivion MQ?
2) Good faction quests aside from the Stormcloak/Imperial Legion.
3) Good Daedric quests, especially Molag Bal, Sheogorath, Sanquinis, and Namira (if only because the Namira questline was the first time I've actually been creeped out by a video game in a while).
4) Some very fun miscellaneous quests.

Spoiler:

Favorite that I can recall OTTOMH is the one in the prison

Even if this was true it doesn't redeem the extremely boring gameplay.

That's your opinion. An opinion that is not exactly widespread. Unoriginal or bland would be a better way to describe it.

Leveling as a Retribution Paladin in WoW was an example of extremely boring gameplay with minimal player interface interaction.

Okami has gotta be one of mine for sure.

 Amaya wrote:

 illuknisaa wrote:


Even if this was true it doesn't redeem the extremely boring gameplay.

That's your opinion. An opinion that is not exactly widespread. Unoriginal or bland would be a better way to describe it.

Leveling as a Retribution Paladin in WoW was an example of extremely boring gameplay with minimal player interface interaction.

Considering that 95% game revolves around combat, in quests you either go kill something or fetch something which requires killing alot, character progression has nothing but combat skills (avoiding combat is combat too) and the entire setting is about killing stuff (mq, civil war, fluff of skyrim...), boring combat hinders the game alot. All you do is press a button (mages press 2). Atleast in MB you have to take considerations timing, your weapon and position.

Melee weapons aren't actually melee weapons because mechanically (I've checked this via creation kit) they act like guns. Even games like dungeon defenders know what is the difference between a gun and a sword (DD has both guns and melee weapons).

Team Fortress 2 - pre hats.

Road Rash - Megadrive
Turrican 2 - Amiga
Worms - PC
Sonic the Hedgehog - Megadrive
Golden Axe - Arcade/Wii
Quake - PC
Resident Evil - PS1

I think the problem is, as we get more advanced in our gaming technology, we move further away from what makes a truly decent game. I don't think I have played many games on the 360 or PS3 that I would say are games worthy of a 9+ score. Certainly an 8 or an 8.5, I think the closest to this would be either Demons Souls or Dead Space and maybe UT3.

 Pilau Rice wrote:

I think the problem is, as we get more advanced in our gaming technology, we move further away from what makes a truly decent game. I don't think I have played many games on the 360 or PS3 that I would say are games worthy of a 9+ score. Certainly an 8 or an 8.5, I think the closest to this would be either Demons Souls or Dead Space and maybe UT3.

I don't agree entirenly. While it's true that graphical enchants rarely add much to the game even though they take huge development time and money I don't think the main issue here is technology advensements.

Take a look at portal 2. You start in a chamber which soon gets smashed apart. While visually impressive it serves no purpose to gameplay and infact is just in the way of gameplay. The reason why the scene was added is because it makes you more immersed to the world of portal 2. If portal was done 5-7 years ago this wouldn't even nearly as impressive as it is now.

I think the main reason games aren't good as they were is because people want bad games. Not intentionally but because they don't know of any better. My little brother used think that cods were the best games ever now he plays dota 2.

So people want bad games and devs make bad games. Only thing devs can improve with their game without making the game good is by making graphics better.

Well, there are of course going to be exceptions. I would maybe disagree with you. If it didn't need to have the graphics and it it had been done in the style of Elite or the Stars Wars Arcade game form 1983, would it have been as good? It would have been executable, just not as nice looking. Would the experience have been lost, possibly.

You do make a do make a good point though. There is a trend of mass producing a load of pants. I remember when the Megadrive came out and I would go to Toys'R'us and be spoilt for choice for a games, and come out with at least one title, now I can go into any retailer or look online and think meh.

Half Life (+Op4)
Half Life 2 (+expansions)
Max Payne 1 & 2
Arkham Asylum
Arkham City

There are few games I can just play over and over. These are 6 of them.

Ooh, that's tricky.

However, if I had to vote, I would say:

Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (my personal favourite Sonic game).

Phantom Crash (nobody will have heard of this in all probability, but my god is it awesome. Think Armoured Core, but casual and funny).

Bayonetta (porting problems aside, this is a great beat-em-up).

Metal Gear Solid (I really need to play this! Quite frankly, any entry in the series deserves a 10/10).

Team Fortress 2 (hands-down, the BEST online multiplayer FPS, EVER. Unless you got the awful PS3 port, which was a half-assed job and really doesn't reflect that well on Valve).

Halo (the original Xbox game, with one of the best campaigns ever, and THE best co-op mode ever).

Metroid Prime (the GameCube's Halo, damn I love Metroid Prime).

Vanquish (takes everything wrong with 3rd-person shooters, grinds them up, throws them out the window, and adds a buttload of awesome in their place).

I forgot about vanquish, that is definitely up there for me too. Loved it.

Planescape: Torment
Thief 1
System Shock 2
Portal 1
Fallout 2
Half-Life 2

Crash Bandacoot
Super Smash Brothers

Psychonauts.

Skyrim
Fallout 3
Portal 2
Witcher 2
Harvest moon (the n64 one)
Mass effect
Quake 3 arena (I think that's the right one)
Yoshis island

HEY HAS ANYONE YET POINTED OUT THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT GAME YET LOL?

Anyway, here are my picks for games that deserve to be rated a 10:

Total Annhiliation (PC)
CoD - Modern Warfare (and I'm not even into this franchise) (PC)
Mass Effect 2 (although I liked some elements of ME1 better) (PC)
Half Life 1 & 2 (PC)
Portal (PC) and Portal 2 (PC)
Left 4 Dead (PC)
The Legend of Zelda (NES)
Super Mario Brothers 3 (NES)
Bioshock (PC)
World of Warcraft (pre-expansions)
Dawn of War (PC)
Civilization 5 (PC)
Unreal Tournament 2004 (PC)
Terminator 2 Pinball (Arcade)
Daytona (Arcade)
Starcraft (PC) (I don't actually like this game very much)

Games I loved that simply could not make the list:

Dragon Age 1&2 (PC)
Mass Effect 3 (PC)
AVP 2 (PC)
Neverwinter Nights 2
Dungeon siege 1 (PC)

ARMA 2

 Galdos wrote:
I dont even understand how people think KotOR 2 is a good game, much less an amazing game.
KotOR

More filler combat = superior game?

The lack of Planescape Torment in this thread is appaling.