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 Rented Tritium wrote:
If the school wants to make rules like "if you are convicted of making a false report, you can be expelled" that is fine with me. That means the real justice system is investigating and the school is just going by what they say.

The school should not, under any circumstances, be convening witch hunts to harass people who report rapes. Cases like this reduce rape reports.

1. She didnt report a rape, she reported a sexual assault. All comments of 'rape' are from press ballooning.
2. She talked to the press and the faculty, there is no mention or indication of police involvement, only press involvement.
3. I have read no accounts of the alleged attacker being questioned arrested or placed on police bail. But the press know which street he lives in and are now hungry for a story.

I see a major civil rights issue here. The alleged perpetrator may perhaps be actually guilty of a sexual assault' which could be as minor as failing to chart her up with crude language, or 'playful' bottom pinching. Even so he is now bwecause of trial by media a 'rapist'.

Is he in danger of idenfication? - that is a firm yes.
Is he therefore in danger of discrimination or victimisation or vigilante violence? - that I am not sxure about, but if I were him I would get a good lawyer, get out of town or both.
Too bad that feths up his education plans, and lawyers are expensive.

He might be completely innocent, but is already a de facto 'rapist' even though no rape has been reported except by the press.

I dont stand with Landen.

Besides:


she looks like Chelsea Clinton.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

Sauce and an excellent fully detailed right up on the whole thing: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/unc-woman-faces-expulsion-reporting-rape-article-1.1274035#ixzz2MAInslCx

That's only marginally better than the Jezebel article that you lead with.

 Orlanth wrote:

Besides:


she looks like Chelsea Clinton.

Because, apparently, attacking the physical appearance of someone who claims to have been raped is a fantastic idea.


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 Orlanth wrote:

1. She didnt report a rape, she reported a sexual assault. All comments of 'rape' are from press ballooning.

In most US jurisdictions rape is a form of sexual assault.

 Orlanth wrote:

2. She talked to the press and the faculty, there is no mention or indication of police involvement, only press involvement.

It has been noted that she reported the incident to the University, this may mean that she reported it to UNC public safety; which is a police force.

In most states, "rape" and "sexual assault" are the same thing. The law calls it one or the other depending on the whims of lawmakers 200 years ago, but you are talking about the same thing.

 Rented Tritium wrote:
If the school wants to make rules like "if you are convicted of making a false report, you can be expelled" that is fine with me. That means the real justice system is investigating and the school is just going by what they say.

The school should not, under any circumstances, be convening witch hunts to harass people who report rapes. Cases like this reduce rape reports.

Which may be the idea...

Colleges surpress rape all the time.
They do it because no one wants to be known as RapeU.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Colleges surpress rape all the time.
They do it because no one wants to be known as RapeU.

Or U of Rape, or Rape State University, or Bryant & Stratton... >_>

 Rented Tritium wrote:
In most states, "rape" and "sexual assault" are the same thing. The law calls it one or the other depending on the whims of lawmakers 200 years ago, but you are talking about the same thing.

Rape is Sexual Assault, but not all Sexual Assault is Rape.

As was pointed out, it could simply be harrassment taken way too far.

While bad, its not Rape and doesn't deserve treatment as such.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Rented Tritium wrote:
In most states, "rape" and "sexual assault" are the same thing. The law calls it one or the other depending on the whims of lawmakers 200 years ago, but you are talking about the same thing.

Rape is Sexual Assault, but not all Sexual Assault is Rape.

As was pointed out, it could simply be harrassment taken way too far.

While bad, its not Rape and doesn't deserve treatment as such.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Can I just say something for the record: I witnessed a rape and the ensuing coverup at my uni, and I'm going to declare what happened right here right now because this has been covered up long enough.
in spring of last year a young woman was raped, possibly gang raped on the floor I lived on: floor 2 of twin towers east dorm of Marshall University. I heard her scream for her rapist(s) to stop from my dorm room. I called the campus police, and they to my knowledge never came. I encountered the victim the next day, and she said that because the description of the attackers were too generic and racially charged to even investigate further (the description she gave of them were that they were black men with dark short hair) the university has covered this up and I am now posting this on the internet for everyone to see because I can't sleep well at night knowing I could have done more to stop them, maybe by posting this someone with the authority to prosecute this case will see this and take the action I didn't to seek justice for the victim.

As I posted yesterday, Landen did report being raped to the police. She brought an honor code violation charge against her alleged rapist separately. That charge was dismissed. The third matter is the honor code violation charge against her.

She seems to have two issues:

(1) She has joined a suit against the school which generally alleges that purported rape victims are blamed for the events underlying their accusations in a manner contrary to federal law. She says this was her experience with UNC as regarding her honor code violation charge against her alleged rapist.

(2) She believes that the honor code violation charge against her is another aspect of UNC's alleged tendency to "blame the victim" (as we say around here).

As to sexual assault and rape: it is true that they are not strictly synonymous. The key element of the crime of rape is generally penetration. In some jurisdictions that do not define a separate crime of rape, penetration is an element of a certain degree of sexual assault.

In this case, NC law does differentiate "rape" as a specific crime. Relevant article of the NC General Statues. But more generally speaking, yeah, different states use different specific terms.