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**Gentleman_Jellyfish**

The set doesn't lack an exclusive model! It has the exclusive bunker

**Platuan4th**

RiTides wrote:

That's exactly my point, that they should have converted them over to minions... instead they're scattered between mercenaries and minions. It just seems extremely unnecessary (imo).

Boomie is a Merc because he was purely a Merc in MkI. It's only in MkII that he became a Minion(and not even for realies yo, he only works for a single Hordes faction), and that only came with a change in his fluff from the Kriels hating him to just not being very happy with him, but he's a Trollkin so SOLIDARITY.

So shut up and be happy you can finally take him at all!

**Surtur**

RiTides wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
RiTides wrote:
The crossover of trolls into mercenaries is never something I was a fan of :-/. I wish he would have been a minion (for Hordes), instead...

He is. He's both. It says mercenary minion solo.

Wow, I typed his description several times and still didn't get that . Talk about complicated!

derek wrote:
The crossover existed before Hordes did, Boomhowler's has been around forever. And he is a Minion, his card might even be a Minion one, like Alten or Lanyssa.

That's exactly my point, that they should have converted them over to minions... instead they're scattered between mercenaries and minions. It just seems extremely unnecessary (imo).

Now now RiTides, you need to share your trollies with the rest or you go to bed without dessert!

**gunslingerpro**

Or in the case of Cryx, we'll just blight the buggers and keep em for ourselves!!! Muahahah

**Jin**

I'm very curious to see how (if) they merge the Focus/Fury mechanics with Butcher3.

**Laughing Man**

I'd honestly expect to see them act as solos rather than war beasts. Not that I'd mind if they could be forced...

**Platuan4th**

Jin wrote:
I'm very curious to see how (if) they merge the Focus/Fury mechanics with Butcher3.

From what I understand, it's a Warcaster Unit like Makeda3, so the Arguses are Medium Base Infantry, not Beasts.

**Jin**

Aww. Boo.

That would've been interesting as hell if they could've pulled something like that off (and given how nuts-o the Butcher is, I could totally see the explanation behind it).

**Motograter**

Butcher3 has no fury. The argus are just solo`s in a unit with him. PP said they wont mix the focus/fury over into one game as it complicates things plus there is no rules for fury in the warmachine rule book

**AduroT**

Yeah, if you look at the picture, you can see the card for the Arguses there, and it's not got a life spiral and appears to be one card for the pair of em.

**hotsauceman1**

That would have been cool though. The butcher would leech furry from the arguses(Argusi?) and convert it to extra focus. Still. I loves the Argus from Circle, now I can have them.

**malfred**

Orsus OcTHREEvir! WOOOOO!

**AduroT**

houseguardbro on the Muse on Minis forum wrote:

Perhaps I can be of some assistance:

>Stats
Spd 5, Str 8, Mat 9, Rat 5, Def 14, Arm 18, Cmd 7
Focus 6
Damage 20
Medium Base
WJ: +4
FA: C

Terror
Officer

>Blunderbuss
Rng 8, Rof 1, Pow 12
>Lola
Pow 8, PS 16, Reach, Weapon Master, Magic Weapon

The spell list is partially spoiled. We know Flashing Blade is one for sure. A member of the ppForums has stated that he has Fail Safe and some pull spell, however the validity of said remark I can't comment on. From my perspective, the spells he has include one spell that ends with an L and has approximately 6 letters (possibly Assail), one spell from his art that has a DO and P which may be on the card as the second spell which has 7 letters (possibly Dog Pile), and the final spell which possibly starts with an O (possibly Overrun). That being said we have nothing concrete outside of Flashing Blade at this point so don't get your hopes too high just yet.

**Surtur**

Dear god, they gave the Butcher flashing blade... RUN FOR THE HILLS! THROW THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN AT HIM TO SLOW HIM DOWN!

**Laughing Man**

Surtur wrote:
Dear god, they gave the Butcher flashing blade... RUN FOR THE HILLS! THROW THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN AT HIM TO SLOW HIM DOWN!

Doesn't work, he just casts it before charging.

**AduroT**

Wonder if he's calmed down enough that he loses the rule where he has to attack Everyone in his range, friend and foe alike.

**Platuan4th**

AduroT wrote:
Wonder if he's calmed down enough that he loses the rule where he has to attack Everyone in his range, friend and foe alike.

We're talking about a man who was going to slaughter an entire Khador division because the commanding officer was calmly talking to a Cygnaran warcaster instead of killing or capturing him and only stopped raging because he had a piece of paper thrust in his face saying there was a cease fire to attack Cryx.

**Maddermax**

Surtur wrote:
Dear god, they gave the Butcher flashing blade... RUN FOR THE HILLS!

But...he's coming from the hills!

**Fenrir Kitsune**

I must say that 10th anniversary box is really really nice and I don't even play WM!

How much is that likely to be and ship to the UK? It might be just be my starting point.

**hotsauceman1**

Maddermax wrote:
Surtur wrote:
Dear god, they gave the Butcher flashing blade... RUN FOR THE HILLS!

But...he's coming from the hills!

Run into the plains, you can snapshot him......wait different game Never mind
Seriosuly. I love butcher I cant wait for this guy.

**malfred**

AduroT wrote:
Wonder if he's calmed down enough that he loses the rule where he has to attack Everyone in his range, friend and foe alike.

If he has Flashing Blade, that's enemy only!

**motyak**

malfred wrote:
AduroT wrote:
Wonder if he's calmed down enough that he loses the rule where he has to attack Everyone in his range, friend and foe alike.

If he has Flashing Blade, that's enemy only!

That's right mal. But everyone is an enemy to the butcher. Everyone but his puppies.

**hotsauceman1**

So, how did they get an argus either way?

**Platuan4th**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, how did they get an argus either way?

They caught wild Arguses and bred them.

**oomiestompa**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, how did they get an argus either way?

According to the first Monsternomicon, Khador has bred tame argus for centuries. Supposedly, they're smaller and less aggressive than those found in the wild (i.e. the ones Circle uses), but these two don't seem care for that.

**Maddermax**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, how did they get an argus either way?

It's been part of the fluff that Khador bred Argii since very early on, they've just never made their way to the tabletop. They were always said to be smaller and less powerful than the Wild/Circle Argii, which is why they're 8 health solos here I would guess.

Edit: Ha, Ninja'd with the exact same thing

**Thanatos73**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, how did they get an argus either way?

Khadorans have had Arguses (arguii?) in the fluff forever. They breed them for hunting and war. While they don't use them as effectively as Circle do as Warbeasts, they still use them.

**Wehrkind**

It is Argus. The Circle Faction Book has Argus as the plural or Argus.

**spiralingcadaver**

Argus is not a word PP coined. If anyone wants to take a stab at the latin plural of a greek proper noun is, be my guest, but PP is hardly a strong source of proper linguistics (for instance, colossus (noun) --> colossal (adj) -->colossal (noun)-->colossals (pl noun) is absurd. There's already a noun. Same thing with gargantua vs gargantuan.

**Wehrkind**

Except for the fact that they created the world in which it is a species, so in their world it can be both plural and singular in use.