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I can't reasonably make it to salute or Essen; if i want something exclusive to those conventions, I expect to have to find it on the secondary market. CMoN said they'd be available at limited conventions. They tried to do so and were met with some of the most entitled and infantile whining I've ever seen. At this point I wish they'd Melt down the remaining season 1 promos, video tape it, and then post it as their next update.

Fact: it's not CMoNs fault you missed season 1 if you did. It's yours. They don't "owe" anyone anything, and I think it's actually refreshing that they're keeping their word regarding the availability.

And because of all the wining and bitching (none of which was me btw) they have now said they are gong to hold off until they can come up with something that is 'fairer' to backers in different geographical locations. So the complaining worked.

I did miss out on the S1 Kickstarter. It's not really my fault, I just didn't hear about it in time. The first time I saw Zombicide was a few moths ago when it showed up in my flgs. But now thanks to all the butthurt nerds who complained, I might actually be able to pick up the S1 survivors anyway from a convention in my own country. Which is good (for me at least).

It is my fault I missed out on Rivet Wars, because I saw it, I could have backed it, but I decided I didn't care much for the promos, and I would just wait for it to come out here.

 Smacks wrote:
I know I have personally got much 'fairer' deals from relentlessly bombarding poor customer support people with complaints.

That sounds like d-bag move, yet you profess not to be greedy and are only looking for a fair deal? Yeah good luck with that.

I suppose you're the type that thinks it'd also be "fair" to ask Hasbro for a copy of the Star Wars Limited Edition Emperor figure (from 1983) because you just came across the offer today and didn't hear about it at the time it happened. OMG so unfair!

:::play's world's smallest violin:::

 cincydooley wrote:
CMoN said they'd be available at limited conventions. They tried to do so and were met with some of the most entitled and infantile whining I've ever seen. At this point I wish they'd Melt down the remaining season 1 promos, video tape it, and then post it as their next update.

Fact: it's not CMoNs fault you missed season 1 if you did. It's yours. They don't "owe" anyone anything, and I think it's actually refreshing that they're keeping their word regarding the availability.

I'd so watch that video. Some people just have to be ungrateful jerks and muck it up for everyone else, it'd be nice to see them have something real to weep over.

 paulson games wrote:

 Smacks wrote:
I know I have personally got much 'fairer' deals from relentlessly bombarding poor customer support people with complaints.

That sounds like d-bag move, yet you profess not to be greedy and are only looking for a fair deal? Yeah good luck with that.

I suppose you're the type that thinks it'd also be "fair" to ask Hasbro for a copy of the Star Wars Limited Edition Emperor figure (from 1983) because you just came across the offer today and didn't hear about it at the time it happened. OMG so unfair!

:::play's world's smallest violin:::

 cincydooley wrote:
CMoN said they'd be available at limited conventions. They tried to do so and were met with some of the most entitled and infantile whining I've ever seen. At this point I wish they'd Melt down the remaining season 1 promos, video tape it, and then post it as their next update.

Fact: it's not CMoNs fault you missed season 1 if you did. It's yours. They don't "owe" anyone anything, and I think it's actually refreshing that they're keeping their word regarding the availability.

I'd so watch that video. Some people just have to be ungrateful jerks and muck it up for everyone else, it'd be nice to see them have something real to weep over.

Sadly there are 2 forms of people

1. Those who ignore all the whining (you know who )
2. Those who buckle under pressure


People like #2 so they can get their way. Why do you think people like to sue each other for money

Theres a 3rd type who tries to do whats best, but they're rare

 paulson games wrote:

 Smacks wrote:
I know I have personally got much 'fairer' deals from relentlessly bombarding poor customer support people with complaints.

That sounds like d-bag move, yet you profess not to be greedy and are only looking for a fair deal? Yeah good luck with that.

I suppose you're the type that thinks it'd also be "fair" to ask Hasbro for a copy of the Star Wars Limited Edition Emperor figure (from 1983) because you just came across the offer today and didn't hear about it at the time it happened. OMG so unfair!

:::play's world's smallest violin:::

First I never said anything was 'so unfair', nor do I have any opinion about fairness at all. And I never professed to not be greedy, that's completely beside the point. My point was that complaining gets results (it isn't just something children do). People like you can sit back and call other people d-bags and pretend you're all 'superior' because you will essentially lie down and take whatever shafting is coming your way. But really you're just hurting yourself.

If Hasbro want to give me a Limited Edition Emperor figure (from 1983) I will happily accept it. And If I could really get one just by writing them a strongly worded letter, then wouldn't I be a fool not to do that? If I can't get one then it doesn't bother me. Fairness doesn't enter into it. However if I really wanted one, then I would at least like to know that I tried. Rather than just gave up like a loser.

Also the case I mentioned it was not a d-bag move. I bought something which was advertised as coming with a free gift. Then I didn't get the gift because they tried to say I did not qualify after I had already paid. I was perfectly within my rights to complain. They were the d-bags.

If it's truly an unjust situation I don't just stand by and suffer, I voice my opinion and call people out on their behavior. But there's a huge differance between making a statement and "relentlessly bombarding poor customer support people with complaints" until they cave in. Throwing a tantrum is infantile and might be acceptable behavior in a toddler but not as a teenager much less as an adult.

An adult raises their concerns to the issue but shouldn't need to bludgeon other people into agreement. If you need to harass people until they comply then yes that's d-bag behavior.

 paulson games wrote:
If it's truly an unjust situation I don't just stand by and suffer, I voice my opinion and call people out on their behavior. But there's a huge differance between making a statement and "relentlessly bombarding poor customer support people with complaints" until they cave in. Throwing a tantrum is infantile and might be acceptable behavior in a toddler but not as a teenager much less as an adult.

An adult raises their concerns to the issue but shouldn't need to bludgeon other people into agreement. If you need to harass people until they comply then yes that's d-bag behavior.

I agree that there is no need for tantrums. Complaints should always be polite. But sometimes you do need bludgeon people into submission, even when you're in the right, otherwise they just forget about you.

I backed the kickstarter for more than $300. If I can get three of the S1 promos then that would be awesome. I would be disappointed if I couldn't, but I don't think it is 'unfair'. However what I do think is unfair is that backers in the US might be able to pick up the S1 promos, because of their location. I didn't support the Kickstarter any less I would like the same opportunities.

While I have not been involved with the convention complaining and I can understand the S1 backers belief they should keep their extras for themselves (although I think the most vocal about it are the ones who will ebay them for a profit) and I will not hide that I am interested in them.

I am a proponent of geographical equality in such things, probably because I come from a country that no conventions ever happen and the closest is always an expensive flight away.

 Smacks wrote:
However what I do think is unfair is that backers in the US might be able to pick up the S1 promos, because of their location. I didn't support the Kickstarter any less I would like the same opportunities.

I'd love to eat french made crepes every morning and drink tea that's only brewed in england, its unfair I can't get those things because I'm on a differant part of the planet.

::shrug::

They said from the beginning they'd would opt to have the promos at conventions, they've also sold them through distributord in France & Spain. Is it unfair to everyone not located in France or Spain? And unfair to everyone who couldn't get a copy at last years Gen Con? maybe but that's life.


People have also been complaining about having to get models on the secondary market (ebay), convention events like this increase the total number of models in circulation which in turn lowers the price, so even if you can't attend the event you can likely pick them up for much cheaper than what attending a convention would cost (paying for badges, hotels, gas, etc).

If I go out of my way to attend a convention in order to get a promo easily spending $400-$500 for the weekend, why is it any more "fair" that some guy who sat his ass at home should get it for $10?


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Even though in Season 1 they said that the KS exclusives would be available in limited quantities at conventions and whatnot? They actually said that and people are still acting like a pack of entitled witches? That's insane...

Zombie game fans acting with limited brains? Irony!

 paulson games wrote:

 Smacks wrote:
However what I do think is unfair is that backers in the US might be able to pick up the S1 promos, because of their location. I didn't support the Kickstarter any less I would like the same opportunities.

I'd love to eat french made crepes every morning and drink tea that's only brewed in england, its unfair I can't get those things because I'm on a differant part of the planet.

::shrug::

That is hardly the same thing. A better analogy would be that paid CMON for crepes and tea, but then didn't get them because Europe gets all the love.

If I go out of my way to attend a convention in order to get a promo easily spending $400-$500 for the weekend, why is it any more "fair" that some guy who sat his ass at home should get it for $10?.

Well count yourself lucky, I could barely even get to the location for $500. But it isn't about who made the effort to go or not, it is about us both backing the same Kickstarter for the same amount. The promos didn't cost $10, they were completely free to backers (as a Thank you). I'm a backer and I would like one, I will even go to a convention to get one... But give me a chance. I'm not saying they shouldn't give them away at conventions, but if they aren't going to have a convention in Europe, then at least give European backers another way to collect their 'thank you'.

Please drop the discussion of the Season 1 Promos until CMON says something new about it. It's a not a productive discussion

OP updated to include the menus, BOZs contents, and smith

Some like me dont do KS and would like to have the option to pin point some minis in special events, If a company makes them available to me good but if it decides its limited and I cant have it no problem... I mean its basic economy to me, if its available and I want it I will buy.

Regarding limited edition I think its the most annoying thing about this industry because they use the damn thing way to often and JUST TO JACK THE PRICES! So yeah I avoid them when I can... If they say its limited and then produce bazilions of the minis and keep on selling a bit everywhere then yeah its not limited, do I care? Errrr nope but next time I will look at this company I will know what limited really means... overpriced toys.

If I buy a limited mini and pay extra just to find out 2 years later is still being sold then lol on me I was a victim of a cowboy stunt in my so important addiction... but the thing is - did I buy it because it was limited or because it was a damn fine mini? SInce I only buy what I like and if I consider the price fair ( lted or not) and I have that cool mini in my collection do I really care if other people can have it? To be totally honest I don't.

There are situations limited makes sense, on small companies that can only do small runs or things that are hard to cast or for example high quality super expensive casting that is not profitable in the long run.
Most CMON limited stuff is dubious at best, CMON never been 100% transparent since their beginning, but hey they do have cool minis.

I don't know about CMONs history, but Guillotine Games/CMON stated from the very beginning that the Zombicide Promos were for the Kickstarter, would not be for general sale at a later date, and the extras would be used as promos at Cons ...

To date, they have kept their word on this.

There was also discussion of letting the Season 1 backers buy up the extra season 1 promos, but they never confirmed this.

Are the Zombivour versions covered by the exclusivity clause? Perhaps they could sell those (especially since people who do pick up the promos from conventions would need them).

 adamsouza wrote:
I don't know about CMONs history, but Guillotine Games/CMON stated from the very beginning that the Zombicide Promos were for the Kickstarter, would not be for general sale at a later date, and the extras would be used as promos at Cons ...

To date, they have kept their word on this.

There was also discussion of letting the Season 1 backers buy up the extra season 1 promos, but they never confirmed this.

Going to be honest with you even if they do not keep their words regarding Ltd availability it would not be a problem for me... I mean I rather see all the Ltd nonsense evaporate from our hobby than to see they proliferate more and more, except when it is justifiable ( reasons I posted earlier).
Zombicide has plenty of limited minis but the mini I so far like the most is the first fatty so I can get it with no hassle.

And this is where whining about whiners gets us!?! Back on topic I think people.

Snake Is good, but it just makes all the more sad about Hannibal Lector. If it had to be prison themed I would have loved to have Fletcher from Porridge or Andy from Shawshank Redemption.

Also why no extra Mall themed characters, though the only shop based character I can think of is Mr Humphries from Are You Being Served - I'm free!....to kill Zombies.

 notprop wrote:
And this is where whining about whiners gets us!?! Back on topic I think people.

I fail to see where did I whine about others?

Besides talking about lted minis on a KS literally packed with lted minis is not OT in my opinion.

Apart from that I do not see Z2 exploding in its last few days, weird.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Apart from that I do not see Z2 exploding in its last few days, weird.

It could well be that they've attracted close to all the customers they will attract via this kickstarter, and taht the existing customers, even if they up a pledge by $10 to cover Smith or what ever the latest exclusive is don't really move the bar that much due to the scale of funding the project has already gotten. Add in the ability to add to your pledge after the project is done and folks with existing pledges don't really have much incentive to add at this point.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 notprop wrote:
And this is where whining about whiners gets us!?! Back on topic I think people.

I fail to see where did I whine about others?

Besides talking about lted minis on a KS literally packed with lted minis is not OT in my opinion.

Apart from that I do not see Z2 exploding in its last few days, weird.

Not you mate you just posted quicker than me. It was more of a comment on the general level of irrelevant whinnying about Season 1 stuff. This is a thread about season 2 after all. I'm far more interested in that.

I've started running a Zombicide game at the Bunker btw if you are interested?

 notprop wrote:
Snake Is good, but it just makes all the more sad about Hannibal Lector. If it had to be prison themed I would have loved to have Fletcher from Porridge or Andy from Shawshank Redemption.

Also why no extra Mall themed characters, though the only shop based character I can think of is Mr Humphries from Are You Being Served - I'm free!....to kill Zombies.

Arkwright, from "Open All Hours" maybe? Keep the Ronnie Barker theme going over both S2 boxes?

with all the survivors in S2, I'm seriously thinking of reducing my pledge and downgrading from all optional survivors to just the ones I like. So even if we don't get enough for Snake, I will just drop one of the other optional survivors to pay for him. I'm only getting 2 of the 3 Guest survivors, but the fact that I am getting any means I am not worried about some of them not being delivered until next year. (also not bothered about remaindered S1 exclusive survivors being sold at US conventions, neither will I be bothered if remaindered S2 eclusives go the same way. not that there is as much chance of that now GG and CMON have been hit with the bs tidalwave.)

 notprop wrote:
And this is where whining about whiners gets us!?! Back on topic I think people.

Also why no extra Mall themed characters, though the only shop based character I can think of is Mr Humphries from Are You Being Served - I'm free!....to kill Zombies.

I can think of a few, not many good ones, and not many I would have paid for as an extra, but they're recognizable

Mallrats:
Jay and Silent Bob

Empire Records (not a mall but a store):
Liv Tylers character

Fast Times at Ridgemont High has a lot of scenes in the mall
I can't suggest anyone because I remember hardly anything about this movie

Paul Bart Mall Cop (remember I didn't qualify that it had to be good):
Whoever Kevin James character is

Bad Santa:
Billy Bob Thorton as a mall Santa and the elf who works with him

So here's an interesting hint about Season 3

There will be team abilities, competitive play and survivor group versus survivor group type set ups.

Sounds like we need the rest of the BBT crew then :-)

That sounds like a job for the A-Team! Da dada DAAA!

And maybe the Ghost Busters, though they would be Zombie Busters this time.

Charlie's Angels!

Its good an all, but I prefer Jack Burton parody as a character. Plus they could have done a Pork Chop Express truck cut out.

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Survivor Rick

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Thaissa Zombivor, Human Grindlock, Kirk Zombivor, Alternate normal runner.

35 hours to go

Still need to decide what I am pledging at... If I don't get TCM in the Kickstarter, what stretch goals don't I get? Is it just the extra toxic zombies and the upgrades to the TCM box?