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2013/03/12 14:36:34
Subject: If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Executing Exarch
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I think this is the best we can do beneath - I've sorted the poll into popularity.
I'd really like to hear the reasons why people chose from Corax down - we've heard from the supporters of the 'main' primarchs already. I'd really like to find out the why's for the others.
Leman Russ 18% [ 57 ]
Horus 12% [ 39 ]
Magnus the Red 11% [ 36 ]
Sanguinius 11% [ 34 ]
Alpharius Omegon 11% [ 35 ]
Lion El'Jonson 10% [ 32 ]
Angron 8% [ 27 ]
Konrad Curze 5% [ 15 ]
Roboute Guilliman 3% [ 11 ]
Corax 2% [ 6 ]
Vulkan 2% [ 5 ]
Fulgrim 1% [ 4 ]
Rogal Dorn 1% [ 4 ]
Mortarion 1% [ 4 ]
Ferrus Manus 1% [ 3 ]
Perturabo 1% [ 3 ]
Jaghatai Khan 1% [ 3 ]
Lorgar 0% [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 319
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/03/12 14:38:09
 Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/03/12 15:00:59
Subject: If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Well, Russ' attempts to portray himself as an unstoppable bad-ass are clearly working then...
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2013/03/12 15:07:13
Subject: Re:If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Executing Exarch
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And only one person is taking Lorgar seriously 
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/03/12 15:36:41
Subject: Re:If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Did any of the Primarchs ever take him seriously, even his dad was a bit like 'mmmmpph Lorgar'
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2013/03/12 15:57:02
Subject: If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Executing Exarch
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Only once he'd manned up,updated his psychic power cards and became 'new improved with sleek sexy turbo handling' Lorgar+.
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/03/12 16:11:35
Subject: Re:If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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AdB said that Lorgar is evenly matched with Guiliman so I don't think he is lower than his brothers - only his powers manifested later....Also he is the most interesting character in 30k and lke in the Sigilite audio ...So don't exclude him....
Only thing wrong in this poll is "Fulgrim" who is the best swordsman (Perturabo's opinion in AE), and has a butchered primarch count 2...So IMHO he needs more love...
P.S. the person who voted for Lorgar gets a keg of my finest mjod (fully homemade)...
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/03/12 16:16:08
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/03/12 16:23:24
Subject: If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The key is which Lorgar you mean. First Heretic-era Lorgar was weak, disdainful of combat, and confused. Betrayer-era Lorgar is a supervillain who is able to hold his own against Guilliman and defeat an Avatar.
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2013/03/12 16:24:05
Subject: Re:If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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The poll does not lie
But back to this
PredaKhaine wrote:
 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
But if you take the pod-rise of power point of view,... i think that would be the most fair? And yes, even then that would put some primarchs before any other,..
Angron would be stuffed. His story arc is pod to slave to impending death. Yet he'd be one of the primarchs a lot would bet on.
Might it not just be easier to give odds? based on the poll at the top 
It would depend on how long Angron was a slave for, he never lost a battle in the ring according the After De'shea so would be in his favour, but then Ferrus Manus and Russ both slay beasts of power on their worlds.
If we are going full on achievements over all then Horus would win hands down. No one reached his power level. So what period do we consider, from pod to rise on planet is not enough if you ask me, as the real challenges did not necessarily happen for many of the Primarchs, but then going after the Heresy is maybe too long.
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2013/03/12 16:32:26
Subject: If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Can people please use Spoilers when referring to the events of Betrayer?
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2013/03/13 08:18:10
Subject: If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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Well, Horus considered Sanguinius his equal, they were the closest of the brother Primarchs before Horus turned into a spoilt brat style idiot.
As for Horus easily beating the Emperor, well thats because the Emperor was pulling his punches until the lone Terminator got wasted trying to reach him on the battle barge. Then he took the gloves off and toasted the brat with a psychic blast through the injury Sanguinius did to the beasts neck.
Yes, I am going old school.....
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So they have us surrounded? Excellent, now we can shoot in any direction we want!!!   
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2013/03/13 09:37:29
Subject: If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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 Endriu Death Coy wrote:Well, Horus considered Sanguinius his equal, they were the closest of the brother Primarchs before Horus turned into a spoilt brat style idiot.
As for Horus easily beating the Emperor, well thats because the Emperor was pulling his punches until the lone Terminator got wasted trying to reach him on the battle barge. Then he took the gloves off and toasted the brat with a psychic blast through the injury Sanguinius did to the beasts neck.
Yes, I am going old school.....
I don't think anyone has said that Horus easily beat the Emperor here, just that Horus became the most powerful Primarch. I agree with you that if the Emperor had gone in all guns blazing Horus would've been mulch on the floor before he got to say 'DADDY'.
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2013/03/13 09:50:06
Subject: Re:If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Executing Exarch
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 Pilau Rice wrote:The poll does not lie
If we are going full on achievements over all then Horus would win hands down. No one reached his power level. So what period do we consider, from pod to rise on planet is not enough if you ask me, as the real challenges did not necessarily happen for many of the Primarchs, but then going after the Heresy is maybe too long.
I don't think we can - in the same way as we can't work out which primarch was for what role, or which primarch would've been in charge if Horus wasn't there, or which primarch was which sign on the zodiac or who would win if they were all covered in bees and wrestling in jam 
I think everytime it comes down to popularity - and under that criteria, Russ has no equal.
I think you win the internet if you manage to get criteria to objectively rank the primarchs
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/03/13 09:57:56
Subject: Re:If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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2013/03/13 10:30:56
Subject: Re:If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Executing Exarch
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Still Russ
No one would want to go near him. It'd take ages to get all the jam and bees out of his fur.
But back on topic, I could see this starting out as a free for all, but there'd be alliances forming. Considering Russ and the Lion took about a day to have a punch up, we could be in for the long haul with this. That'd give time for strategy/alliances.
I don't think many of the good primarchs stand a chance in a true last man standing match. If you end up with two 'good' primarchs at the end, who will be the man to take out the other?
EG: Guilliman and Dorn. If they got to the end, they'd go all noble and refuse to fight, then they'd go after whoever was making them fight. *cough cough star trek ripoff cough*
I think it'd end up with the primarchs dividing into teams chosen through loyalty. You'd end up with good and bad teams.
At which point I think 'Gladiators' would be the best way to solve it. I'd pay to watch that.
Russ vs Wolf would be funny, but can you imagine Cobra vs...The Night Haunter! cue a very short pugil stick fight in which Gladiators have their first fatality.
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/03/13 10:46:06
Subject: Re:If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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PredaKhaine wrote:Still Russ
No one would want to go near him. It'd take ages to get all the jam and bees out of his fur.
But back on topic, I could see this starting out as a free for all, but there'd be alliances forming. Considering Russ and the Lion took about a day to have a punch up, we could be in for the long haul with this. That'd give time for strategy/alliances.
I don't think many of the good primarchs stand a chance in a true last man standing match. If you end up with two 'good' primarchs at the end, who will be the man to take out the other?
EG: Guilliman and Dorn. If they got to the end, they'd go all noble and refuse to fight, then they'd go after whoever was making them fight. *cough cough star trek ripoff cough*
I think it'd end up with the primarchs dividing into teams chosen through loyalty. You'd end up with good and bad teams.
At which point I think 'Gladiators' would be the best way to solve it. I'd pay to watch that.
Russ vs Wolf would be funny, but can you imagine Cobra vs...The Night Haunter! cue a very short pugil stick fight in which Gladiators have their first fatality.
Yeah, this is what I think would happen as well. You would get temporary alliances being formed until the end, Guilliman wouldn't stand a chance though, everyone would bundle him at the start.
Fulgrim vs Jet?
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2013/03/13 11:01:29
Subject: Re:If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Executing Exarch
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Pilau Rice wrote:
Yeah, this is what I think would happen as well. You would get temporary alliances being formed until the end, Guilliman wouldn't stand a chance though, everyone would bundle him at the start.
Guilliman might have a better chance than most - isn't his 'stable' called the Dauntless few?
They'd ally immediately and would force polarisation between the primarchs - those that side with them and those that oppose.
Is that the 'loreal challenge'?
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/03/13 12:44:17
Subject: Re:If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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PredaKhaine wrote: Pilau Rice wrote:
Yeah, this is what I think would happen as well. You would get temporary alliances being formed until the end, Guilliman wouldn't stand a chance though, everyone would bundle him at the start.
Guilliman might have a better chance than most - isn't his 'stable' called the Dauntless few?
They'd ally immediately and would force polarisation between the primarchs - those that side with them and those that oppose.
Is that the 'loreal challenge'?
The Dauntless few are all friends in his head, they don't like him really they just let him boss them around to keep him quiet and from wanting to write everything down. A war with Guilliman is a long one.
I think Sangy and Corax would also be involved in that challenge.
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2013/03/13 13:30:12
Subject: Re:If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Executing Exarch
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Pilau Rice wrote:
The Dauntless few are all friends in his head, they don't like him really they just let him boss them around to keep him quiet and from wanting to write everything down. A war with Guilliman is a long one.
Thats probably his plan - he's got time to win the whole war, while you're still reading his declaration of war.
Sanguinius couldn't make a hair advert. Those tv ads aren't allowed to show nipples.
I've had another thought about this - given the primarchs are likely to make alliances, who do people think would be the last man standing of the loyalists?
And who'd be the last man standing of the ...erm...rebels?
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/03/13 23:39:29
Subject: If there was a Free For All Between all 18 Primarchs, Who Would Win?
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Obviously the two missing primarchs would.
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