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Just as the title says,

Can a model equiped with two pistols (Bolt, Plasma, Flamer, etc.) fire both in one shooting phase?

I would have sworn I read somewhere that unless a model or unit has a special rule stating otherwise that each model could only shoot one weapon. Yet for whatever reason I can't find it now. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

BRB pg 52. Gunslinger rule for Pistol weapons states that any model with two pistols may fire both in the Shooting Phase.

Page 52, under gunslinger. All models with two pistols can fire both.

Thanks. I guess I completely overlooked that one alltogether. This could definitely make a difference in an upcoming game.

One of my favorite, but way too expensive, models is my Lone Wolf with MotW and Dual Plasma Pistols

omg I can start modeling my captains with dual plasma pistols again! Yeeehaaaww!

I need to model up a DE gunslinger archon with dual blast pistols..

Duster, hat, gunbelt... hmmm

CanisLupus518 wrote:
One of my favorite, but way too expensive, models is my Lone Wolf with MotW and Dual Plasma Pistols

...that's genius. You're right though, it sounds like it'd die way too easily.

 djphranq wrote:
omg I can start modeling my captains with dual plasma pistols again! Yeeehaaaww!

No, no, no, no... hold on now! It isn't that a unit MODELED with two pistols can fire both, it is if you can legally take two pistols you can fire both. There are a very few number of units whose rules wording allows this -- it has to say "... may replace his bolt pistol and/or chainsword with..." That little "and" is very important.

My BA sarge carries 2 plasma pistols. In a squad with ALOT of plasma


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My BA sarge carries 2 plasma pistols. In a squad with ALOT of plasma

I call this the Melt Your Face test model.

BA sarge 2 hand flamers ... 2d3 overwatch hits and 2 templates...HMMMMmmmm....

Inquisitor w/ 2 Needle Pistols, Rad, and Psycho Grenades. My Favorite! Strait thru armor wounds on 2+ and if you make him a psyker him and the squad can reroll all hits and damage rolls.

Would rethink that. Gunslinger states in the shooting phase. Because it specifically states shooting phase, i dont believe it would transfer over to overwatch.

All of the shooting rules refer to the shooting phase... because in the majority of cases, that's when you shoot.

Overwatch is carried out as a normal shooting attack, just in a different phase.

Still gunslinger states what phase it can be used in. Says nothing about being usable in any other circumstances. so I would still argue it cant be used for overwatch.

Technically flamers don't fire overwatch at all. they do wall of fire.

Wall of death is still classified as firing overwatch.

"Template weapons can still fire overwatch, even though they cannot fire snap shots" pg52

Thats why I love Seraphim so much, 2 dual hand flamer girls getting 4 templates and 4 Wall of fire ruling. Very lethal

Backlash wrote:
Still gunslinger states what phase it can be used in. Says nothing about being usable in any other circumstances. so I would still argue it cant be used for overwatch.

Again. the rules state that all shooting happens in the shooting phase. So either gunslinger still works in Overwatch, or nothing does.

Look at page 12, 'Nominate a Unit to Shoot'... very specific that it applies to the Shooting phase.


But again, the Overwatch rules tell you to resolve the Overwatch firing as a normal shooting attack in a different phase. So you just replace any reference to the Shooting phase with the Assault phase.

I never says ALL shooting happens in the shooting phase. Look under "who can shoot". last paragraph it states that game rules and special rules can effect the units ability to shoot.

Nominating which unit to shoot with most definitely happens in the shooting phase, and is the first step in making a shooting attack.

So if rules that specifically apply to the shooting phase don't apply to overwatch, no unit can ever make an overwatch attack.

You can't have it both ways. Either you use the shooting rules for overwatch, or you don't.

Im not claiming you don't use the shooting rules for overwatch. Im claiming that gunslinger only grants permission to fire two pistols in the shooting phase as that is the only time the rule says it can be used.


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Unless you are conveniently ignoring the "in the shooting phase" line

To be fair, Backlash does have a valid point. Not everything that can be fired in the shooting phase can be fired for Overwatch - Witchfire/PSA (event those that are always available and don't require a psychic test) cannot be used for Overwatch.

Yes. And what I'm pointing out is that the rule that allows [i]any[/] of your models to fire also specifies the shooting phase.

Again, you can't have it both ways.


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 Happyjew wrote:
To be fair, Backlash does have a valid point. Not everything that can be fired in the shooting phase can be fired for Overwatch - Witchfire/PSA (event those that are always available and don't require a psychic test) cannot be used for Overwatch.

That's because there are specific rules that say they can't be used.

Overwatch follows all of the normal rules for shooting, except where specified otherwise.

Overwatch is the exception that allows you to use shooting rules outside of the shooting phase. It gives you all the permissions you need. You can have it both ways because the brb says you can.

Backlash wrote:
Overwatch is the exception that allows you to use shooting rules outside of the shooting phase. It gives you all the permissions you need. .

Excellent. So that would include Gunslinger.

No, overwatch allows you to use shooting attacks outside of the shooting phase. Just because you are shooting doesn't magically make it another shooting phase. Its still the assault phase. "Overwatch rules make specific reference that it happens in the enemies assault phase actually" Gunslinger rule states it can be used in the shooting phase. You have no permission to use it in any other phase. So no gunslinger overwatch.

So that raises the question - certain TMCs can take a thorax swarm which is a weapon used in the shooting phase in addition to any other weapon(s) the model may have. Would that mean (for example) a Tyrannofex with Stinger Salvo (Assault 4), Fleshborer Hive (Assault 20) and Thorax Swarm (Template, Assault 1) would get 24 shots +D3 hits for overwatch?

Backlash wrote:
No, overwatch allows you to use shooting attacks outside of the shooting phase.

Right. And Gunslinger is a special rule that applies to shooting attacks.

Gunslinger rule states it can be used in the shooting phase. You have no permission to use it in any other phase. So no gunslinger overwatch.

The section that I referred to earlier also states that it applies in the shooting phase... and that's the section that specifies that models with a ranged weapon can use it to shoot.

So if rules that specifically apply to the shooting phase don't apply to overwatch, when you make an overwatch attack can a model with a ranged weapon use it?