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 Crimson wrote:
"Rather, Purifies recruit only from those amongst their Battle-Brothers whose souls are considered to be utterly incorruptible and resistant to the the temptations of the warp – even by the exacting standards of the Grey Knights."

This makes only sense if all of their Battle-Brothers are, in fact, not incorruptible. Further more, note the use of word 'considered'; this is just what the Purifiers think, it is not certain that even they are actually incorruptible.

Or their incorruptibility has reached the point it becomes a weapon in itself.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

Or their incorruptibility has reached the point it becomes a weapon in itself.

...

I am sure that there is some point of view from which that sentence made sense, but I'm not seeing it.

 Crimson wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

Or their incorruptibility has reached the point it becomes a weapon in itself.

...

I am sure that there is some point of view from which that sentence made sense, but I'm not seeing it.

Their incorruptibility becomes a battle aura of sorts (shrugs).

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Existence of Purifiers in undeniable proof against the incorruptabilty of Grey Knights. If they all would be utterly incorruptable, it would be impossible for select few among them to be even more incorruptable.

Purifiers are not literally more corruptible. Just mentally stronger/dedicated to keep whatever it is in that haunted mountain of theirs chained. I bet it's Horus

The Purifiers and Draigo went in the tattoo business together and they're just waiting for him to come back and carve stuff into people's oragns, however their next customer has been waiting so long that he's had to be chained down and guarded, and each day is a little bit more mentally taxing for the Purifiers than the last.

This is a pointless discussion. Only characters/things which could not be warp corrupted are C'tans and Necrons, who are just dead, and 'Nids. Rest of species are wholly corruptible, except for the inner resistance of orks. The Emperor is already corrupt (c'mon, you know it!), and humans and eldar can be corrupt, just everybody.

So whatever you pick off existing fluff, truth is that even a GK legendary master can be corrupted. Dammit, look at primarchs...

Nid's can be corrupted too.

One of the space wolf books has them going up against nurgled tyranids.

Nids have no connection to the warp so therefore can't be corrupted

Jayo'r wrote:
Nids have no connection to the warp so therefore can't be corrupted

I don't know about mentalyl, but I can certainly see it possible for a Tyranid to be physically corrupted by Nurgle, and as a result have it's behavious possibly modified somewhat.

What could happen is that 'nids ate some nurgle (hey, A+ at recycling) and incorpored it someways.

Jayo'r wrote:
Nids have no connection to the warp so therefore can't be corrupted

They can and have, the hive mind responds by cutting the hive off from the rest and letting it die off. Falling to chaos is different though, they can be corrupted by it but they cannot fall to it.

DOGGED wrote:
What could happen is that 'nids ate some nurgle (hey, A+ at recycling) and incorpored it someways.

I wouldn't think it would be possibly 'incorporated' as it is more an active infection, the Nid that ate it would probably end up sprouting warps/lumps/fungus stuff, and be prevented from entering the digestion pools by the other, non-corrupted Tyranids. Even if it could be absorbed, nothing would really come of it I'd think, what isn't weird un-eatable daemon bits is just swollen Tyranid if you think about it.

But, the nature of Tyranid corruption is a topic for another thread, so I'll leave it at that.

 Crimson wrote:
"Rather, Purifies recruit only from those amongst their Battle-Brothers whose souls are considered to be utterly incorruptible and resistant to the the temptations of the warp – even by the exacting standards of the Grey Knights."

This makes only sense if all of their Battle-Brothers are, in fact, not incorruptible. Further more, note the use of word 'considered'; this is just what the Purifiers think, it is not certain that even they are actually incorruptible.

No, Grey Knights are incorruptable whereas Purifiers are incorruptible x2. It is proof of nothing more than how badly written the GK codex is.

You don't need a soul to be corrupted by Chaos. Even automatons and machines can be corrupted by Chaos.

Delicious!

I must say I enjoyed that story.

Good bye Draigo. We hardly knew ya.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
You can clearly see that it is written "incorruptible" in Daemon's own codex, there is nothing more to discuss here.

Then why'd they need to kill a bunch of Sisters to stop being corrupted by the Blood Tide?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Then why'd they need to kill a bunch of Sisters to stop being corrupted by the Blood Tide?

For what must be the umpteenth time:

Because they're not immune to having their brains fried by Chaos, they're just not going to willingly turn to serve the Chaos Gods.

Ya huh. And Draigo is just an allegory for mankind's struggle with Chaos. Sure.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ya huh. And Draigo is just an allegory for mankind's struggle with Chaos. Sure.

Good to see you're making a coherent and well-designed argument. That makes me happy.



Back on topic: The fact that the Daemons Codex in multiple places states that Grey Knights are incorruptible/haven't ever fallen should be enough to dismiss the theory that the Wanderer is Draigo. Could a Grey Knight fall? Absolutely. The fact that the Daemon Codex says they haven't yet should be enough.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
Excellent, now give me a proof from fluff that Emperor can be corrupted.

Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned, page 185.
Even the Golden Throne cannot keep the cells of the Emperor's dead body alive forever. Over the millennia the link between his soul and body has become increasingly tenuous. Worse of all, the Powers of Chaos have begun to infiltrate his mind, sowing seeds of doubt, dissolution and fear.
It is impossible to say for how long the Emperor can survive in this condition. It is unlikely that even he really knows how much time is left to him before the tenuous hold upon his physical body is broken by weakness or finally rent apart by insanity.

Kisses.

Sounds like GW is hopefully gonna kill off the emperor soon so

 Crimson wrote:
"Rather, Purifies recruit only from those amongst their Battle-Brothers whose souls are considered to be utterly incorruptible and resistant to the the temptations of the warp – even by the exacting standards of the Grey Knights."

This makes only sense if all of their Battle-Brothers are, in fact, not incorruptible. Further more, note the use of word 'considered'; this is just what the Purifiers think, it is not certain that even they are actually incorruptible.

Actually, it makes sense if the Grey Knights don't just assume that they can't possibly be corrupted, since that portrays an in-universe point of view whereas the "incorruptible" nature of Grey Knights has been referenced in multiple books from a narrator style point of view (sure, the narrator can still be biased, but to actually say that they're incorruptible in Daemons Codex rather than just no Grey Knight having ever been turned to Chaos suggests that it is indeed the case).

It could also possibly refer to the brute force corruption and insanity that Chaos can inflict, as opposed to actually falling. Corruption has multiple definitions, and we can't be sure if Ward was only using one of them (and, indeed, which one, especially since corruption in 40K generally refers to the Warp or Chaos). The Purifiers might be even stronger of will than most Grey Knights and as such able to resist worse horrors\Psychic shennanigans\blunt mind control.

 Serevor wrote:

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
Excellent, now give me a proof from fluff that Emperor can be corrupted.

Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned, page 185.
Even the Golden Throne cannot keep the cells of the Emperor's dead body alive forever. Over the millennia the link between his soul and body has become increasingly tenuous. Worse of all, the Powers of Chaos have begun to infiltrate his mind, sowing seeds of doubt, dissolution and fear.
It is impossible to say for how long the Emperor can survive in this condition. It is unlikely that even he really knows how much time is left to him before the tenuous hold upon his physical body is broken by weakness or finally rent apart by insanity.

Kisses.

Great work. This source invalidates anything and all Matt Ward can come with. So: Emperor can be corrupted (in fact IS being corrupted) - GK can be corrupted - Draigo can be corrupted. C'mon, don't you see the evidence? He's the new Slaaneshi DRAiGo QUEEN! (no offense meant for any drag queen up there)

What if Grey Knights become so incorruptible that they become easily corruptible?

 Amaya wrote:
What if Grey Knights become so incorruptible that they become easily corruptible?

That is the day Tzeentch gets blown apart by Lord Castellan Ursarker E. Creed.

 Serevor wrote:

Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned, page 185.
Even the Golden Throne cannot keep the cells of the Emperor's dead body alive forever. Over the millennia the link between his soul and body has become increasingly tenuous. Worse of all, the Powers of Chaos have begun to infiltrate his mind, sowing seeds of doubt, dissolution and fear.
It is impossible to say for how long the Emperor can survive in this condition. It is unlikely that even he really knows how much time is left to him before the tenuous hold upon his physical body is broken by weakness or finally rent apart by insanity.

Kisses.

This doesn't men that they can corrupt him, only that they can influence him like they influence his sons ( showing him visions, telling him about future etc... ). Not to mention this goes against 6'th edition fluff...

The two have nothing to do with each other. That just shows Draigo is more incorruptable than the Emperor. Draigo is just better than the Emperor.

I hope it is Draigo. To hell with that guy. The lore where he attacked Mortarion makes me want to vomit.

Also this bit of writing is great if only for how upset some GK fanboys are getting

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

 Serevor wrote:

Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned, page 185.
Even the Golden Throne cannot keep the cells of the Emperor's dead body alive forever. Over the millennia the link between his soul and body has become increasingly tenuous. Worse of all, the Powers of Chaos have begun to infiltrate his mind, sowing seeds of doubt, dissolution and fear.
It is impossible to say for how long the Emperor can survive in this condition. It is unlikely that even he really knows how much time is left to him before the tenuous hold upon his physical body is broken by weakness or finally rent apart by insanity.

Kisses.

This doesn't men that they can corrupt him, only that they can influence him like they influence his sons ( showing him visions, telling him about future etc... ). Not to mention this goes against 6'th edition fluff...

You surely wish. Yet, 6th ed fluff isn't even talking about the state of the emperor that closely. And to be fair, even with all the other editions, that's the closest you'll get. Never been retconed, still 100% canon.
Then, on the corruption, it all depends on the definition you give to "corrupt". The infiltration of the Powers of Chaos in his mind feels like corruption to me.

TBH couldn't it just be a Space Wolf? There's loads of them in the Eye of Terror, couldn't some of the 13th company have made it into the Warp proper? Suppose it's Leman Russ? Didn't he have grey armour?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
TBH couldn't it just be a Space Wolf? There's loads of them in the Eye of Terror, couldn't some of the 13th company have made it into the Warp proper? Suppose it's Leman Russ? Didn't he have grey armour?

He will pay for what Kelly did to the Wolves! By the book Kelly wrote for the Daemons, ofcourse..

Draigo now needs to seek out Fulgrim and slay him to become Slaanesh' greatest champion (well besides a few Keeper of Secrets anyway).