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Possible, but not powerful.

it's very disappointing to see that they didn't update the crisis look.
I mean, c'mon, they are the (imho) worst model out there and what you do? you repack them in a 3 box with the usual price rise...

the big guy is great but try to imagine an army with a lot of "cube" crisis and that model in the middle... feel totally out of place. It's obvious that they want to
push people to forgeworld but i am very, very disappointed.
no buy for me.

They went down in price in the uk for the three.

A whole £1.50.

Battleforce is curious. Only one troop unit, but it does make playable army if minimum squad for FW's remains 6. It offers similar/slightly better value for money than the old one but I'm not sure it's better starting point for the army. I mean, three suits is better, but OTOH there is no Devilfish, and Piranha probably sucks again.

So the new flier looks awful. The new suits look clunky and over detailed. Looks like the crisis suits haven't changed. New pathfinders look good and at an ok price. Another swing and a miss for me if I'm honest, looks like GW had sacrificed quality when it comes to speed of release. Still saves me money as I won't be buying any thing from this release.

OTT detail seems to be the thing now. Or large flat areas.

I like the look of the new stuff. I think the flyer is cool, and I'm glad that there is a saving to be had by getting the battle force.

No new Crisis Suits is a deal breaker for me, so GW can gtfo.

The flyer doesn't look good at all and it's price even less considering that it's probably Razorwing/Scythe size , and 40,- (euros) for a Broadside..... I don't think so.

Riptide looks cool. It doesn't look 65,- cool though.

Add some failcast characters that I don't want anyway.

In short, this is the typical disappointing release full of deranged prices we've gotten used to from GW lately.

The only weird but positive exception being the Pathfinders: 10 Pathfinders + 3 Drones for 25,-.

Whenn you say 'typical release', you mean:

Step 1 - rumours. My army is broken. Waaaah
Step 2 - leaked pics. They look awful. Waaaah
Step 3 - proper pics. Not as bad as I first thought. Meh
Step 4 - release. These are pretty good after all. Yay

Yes, I've noticed this 'typical' trend

Waiting for better pics, looks good now, but once again seems to be a mailed in codex. Lets add a flyer...check. Lets add something big on mc base....check. Move stuff around....check. See if they nerf rules to kill the army and previous fluff....we'll see.

Just to the front of the new big fella and behind the glare on the right is a suit I haven't seen before.

has a new HQ been hiding in plain sight?

He has a rather large gun and a shoulder buckler link the fire warriors

Edit: nevermind. Its just a better picture of the broadsides

UltraPrime wrote:
Whenn you say 'typical release', you mean:

Step 1 - rumours. My army is broken. Waaaah
Step 2 - leaked pics. They look awful. Waaaah
Step 3 - proper pics. Not as bad as I first thought. Meh
Step 4 - release. Not as bad as I first thought. Meh

Yes, I've noticed this 'typical' trend

Fixed it for you.

 Ledabot wrote:



Just to the front of the new big fella and behind the glare on the right is a suit I haven't seen before.

has a new HQ been hiding in plain sight?

He has a rather large gun and a shoulder buckler link the fire warriors

That is the new Broadside model, it is considerably larger and on a suitably larger base. This is an excuse for it to be an absurd $50 for a single one.

 Ledabot wrote:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bfKJzNRhCCA/UUUpO9p4fTI/AAAAAAAAVEg/WP4o1GDLROY/s1600/tau1.jpg


Just to the front of the new big fella and behind the glare on the right is a suit I haven't seen before.

has a new HQ been hiding in plain sight?

He has a rather large gun and a shoulder buckler link the fire warriors

No, it is the new Broadside.


My opinion on the new Tau: the Riptide is awesome (and I'm in love with its name), the fliers are horrible in the worst way possible, the Broadside is kinda' WTF but the Pathfinders are cool. I hope the Riptide will have some super-duper OP rules too, I want to field 3 of those and melt face with them!

Just bare in mind GWs new design policy, the uglier the model the more OP the rules. How else where they going to sell skull cannon?

 AtoMaki wrote:
My opinion on the new Tau: the Riptide is awesome (and I'm in love with its name), the fliers are horrible in the worst way possible, the Broadside is kinda' WTF but the Pathfinders are cool. I hope the Riptide will have some super-duper OP rules too, I want to field 3 of those and melt face with them!

Get your $255 USD (before tax) ready for your three models then. Sound a bit extreme? Don't worry, you'll come away with six whole drones as well!

Huh, I hoped for new crisis suits, do you guys think the kroot are an ally detachment then, seeing how they arent in the battle force or the battle pic?

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Just bare in mind GWs new design policy, the uglier the model the more OP the rules. How else where they going to sell skull cannon?

I swear I would make a good model designer for GW. I like everything they put out. I even like the dam Chibitelon. Maybe I could play test some stuff on the side.

My point is, I simply can understand why people don't like the new models. I think they all look great but half the posts seem to be complaints. Their finally releasing a new book! Rejoice! don't go and sulk in the corner after one glance.

The broadsides look quite a bit bigger then the crisis suits. It will be good to see some decent photos of everything. Liking the giant suit. Hopefully will make many things go splat!

 Ledabot wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Just bare in mind GWs new design policy, the uglier the model the more OP the rules. How else where they going to sell skull cannon?

I swear I would make a good model designer for GW. I like everything they put out. I even like the dam Chibitelon. Maybe I could play test some stuff on the side.

My point is, I simply can understand why people don't like the new models. I think they all look great but half the posts seem to be complaints. Their finally releasing a new book! Rejoice! don't go and sulk in the corner after one glance.

The longer you make people wait for something then the better it needs to be. Necrons and Dark Eldar are perfect examples of what this release should have been. Very little effort is evident in these new designs and they poorly fit the design aesthetic.

UltraPrime wrote:
Whenn you say 'typical release', you mean:

Step 1 - rumours. My army is broken. Waaaah
Step 2 - leaked pics. They look awful. Waaaah
Step 3 - proper pics. Not as bad as I first thought. Meh
Step 4 - release. These are pretty good after all. Yay

Yes, I've noticed this 'typical' trend

No, I know perfectly well what I mean and that is not it.

GW's typical release for quite a while:

Step 1: don't resculpt any old fugly miniatures that people really really want resculpted.
Step 2: push the latest flavour of flashy looking big/monstrous mini upon us.
Step 3: push the latest flavour of flyer upon us.
Step 4: make stuff look even more ott blinged out/cartoony/action figure than last release.
Step 5: all of the above at pulled-out-of-corporate-butt increased pricing that no way is worth the product in the box.

 Ledabot wrote:
My point is, I simply can understand why people don't like the new models. I think they all look great but half the posts seem to be complaints. Their finally releasing a new book! Rejoice! don't go and sulk in the corner after one glance.

Those of us who aren't rejoicing are "sulking in the corner" because every "glance" so far has been gak. The extended wait makes it hurt even more. This isn't being ungrateful, entitled, or anything so deep-seeded; it is simply disappointment made worse by seven years since the joke of an "update" that was 4th edition Tau and twelve years since the last proper Tau release back with the 3rd edition book.

Whats especially bad this time around is that not only are some of the rumored rules disappointing as well as the models but that the listed prices (except with the curiously well priced Pathfinders) show that GW is continuing to walk down the road to its own demise as it slowly prices people out of its products. Seeing people rave about the stuff and not give a single thought to the great implications makes it all the more disappointing. Every GW release shows that the company is dragging itself down and is being helped along the way by excited fans.

By all means, be excited if you want, I'm just a grump. It is just sad to see people enabling the slow death of GW and 40K by rewarding them with business.

 SonicPara wrote:
By all means, be excited if you want, I'm just a grump. It is just sad to see people enabling the slow death of GW and 40K by rewarding them with business.

Wait... buying 40k products causes 40k to die? Not sure you thought that one through...

 Kingsley wrote:
Wait... buying 40k products causes 40k to die? Not sure you thought that one through...

Supporting self-destructive behavior encourages self-destruction. Supporting GW's products despite price hikes supports GW's practice of raising prices. Eventually, people will be unable to purchase GW products and the company and its games will crumble.

Sometimes opposing something is the best thing you can do to help it.

 SonicPara wrote:
Supporting self-destructive behavior encourages self-destruction. Supporting GW's products despite price hikes supports GW's practice of raising prices. Eventually, people will be unable to purchase GW products and the company and its games will crumble.

Or GW will continue raising prices until they price to what the market can bear, at which point they stop raising prices. GW may be profit-oriented, but they're not stupid. For instance, I bet the reason the Tau flyer is 65 while the DA flyer was 75 is that the DA flyer wasn't very popular at that price point-- though weak rules might play a role too.

Similarly, GW has kept prices of infantry low-- most Troops units have gone down in price once you adjust for inflation from 2004-present, and Pathfinders just went from 20 USD for 3 to 35 USD for 10 + 3 Drones-- while increasing prices on big "centerpiece" models like the new Riptide suit. This strategy seems logical to me because most armies are primarily composed of relatively cheap infantry, and players are willing to spring for more expensive characters, monsters, or tanks as long as those aren't the core of the army.

 Ledabot wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Just bare in mind GWs new design policy, the uglier the model the more OP the rules. How else where they going to sell skull cannon?

I swear I would make a good model designer for GW. I like everything they put out. I even like the dam Chibitelon. Maybe I could play test some stuff on the side.

My point is, I simply can understand why people don't like the new models. I think they all look great but half the posts seem to be complaints. Their finally releasing a new book! Rejoice! don't go and sulk in the corner after one glance.

What's annoyed me so far is that the concept of a Giant Crisis suit is stupid and doesn't fit in with the Tau at all and the new Broadside has the exact same designation as the old one - it's bigger and heavier than the XV9, it should not be in the XV8 class. FireWarriors also aren't getting anything new despite being very bland models with very few accessories or customization options at all (Nearly all the poses are the same). I quite like the look of the new flyers but they are very lazy designs, and they don't fit in much with other Tau flyers.

Is it me or do those fliers look rather Orky to anyone else? Guess FW will still be selling their fliers then. The new suit designs don't look so bad but they really should have redesigned the existing ones.

 Kingsley wrote:
Or GW will continue raising prices until they price to what the market can bear, at which point they stop raising prices.

The problem is that consumers, in general, are fickle creatures; once you lose them they are almost always gone for good. Once GW crosses that final line (can't believe I'm speaking hypothetically here when we have $85 monstrous creature kits) they will immediately start losing customers. Of course they would price drop back down to a previously acceptable level but not only do they seem to lack the agility to do such a move in time to avert disaster but they also have shown tremendous hubris and I'm not convinced they would recognize the issue until it was too late and the damage was done.

TL,DR: GW is marching towards more absurd prices and supporting them is sounding the drum to march onward.

Back to Tau.

 Kingsley wrote:

Or GW will continue raising prices until they price to what the market can bear, at which point they stop raising prices.

They've already proven they will continue raising prices beyond what the market can take. Take a gander at the AU pricing and half yearly sales reports.

Hey, pricing thread, how original.

Am I the only one that thinks the flyer can look really good with some minor conversions
and doesn't like the riptide at all because it has way to many tiny details for a tau unit?^^

But I'm offcially excited about the codex now. ; )
Finally my army will be fun to play with again! XD