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Tell me a crisis suit doesn't look like a RIFTS Jager

http://www.neromir.net/img/rifts/powerArmor/Jager.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/18/91274474_0427b47553_o.jpg

Fire Warriors

http://dc460.4shared.com/doc/2lid4MbN/preview007.png

New Broadside

http://warnervfx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/ultimax.gif

I think I'm going to gamble and snag some ebay crisis suits while they're sub $20... just hope it pays off

Personally I think the only one you might have right is the broadside. I don't see a resemblance to the Jager other than the fact that they're both bipedal, humanoid robots, and if that's the case then you might as well compare them to every mecha design ever...although the head does look similar, even has the bunny ears. I also don't see how those are fire warriors, the only similarity is the mono-lens helmet, they look pretty generic otherwise.

Anyway, as for stocking up on old suits, I have to admit it did tempt me to wade through eBay trying to find cheap suits, but I'm kinda curious to see if the new ones won't be re-cut with more bits. I want to see the sprues first, it might almost be worth it to buy the new box if that's the case. But maybe I'm being too optimistic.

I know I came back after I said I wouldn't but I'm being on-topic this time.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Personally I think the only one you might have right is the broadside. I don't see a resemblance to the Jager other than the fact that they're both bipedal, humanoid robots, and if that's the case then you might as well compare them to every mecha design ever...although the head does look similar, even has the bunny ears. I also don't see how those are fire warriors, the only similarity is the mono-lens helmet, they look pretty generic otherwise.

Anyway, as for stocking up on old suits, I have to admit it did tempt me to wade through eBay trying to find cheap suits, but I'm kinda curious to see if the new ones won't be re-cut with more bits. I want to see the sprues first, it might almost be worth it to buy the new box if that's the case. But maybe I'm being too optimistic.

I know I came back after I said I wouldn't but I'm being on-topic this time.

I'm curious to see what bits fly off the shelves after the 'dex comes out. There's gonna be a ton of rebuilding/painting going on, just not sure what that will be yet

Most of us know that gw makes new units uber and older units worse, but now, I can't see this with Tau.

The lines are too blurred as we have such an old codex.

I can't see the fire warriors getting better, but they will get cheaper. Crisis teams are an integral part of the army, I can see them getting cheaper and better as there are rumours stating that they will be able to have two of the same weapon on one suit, effectively doubling up on weapons.

Broadsides - a bone of contention with most players have been repurposed into a dangerous anti air unit.

But again, there is so much new stuff here that it is impossible to give an accurate assumption of what is going in. One week on Saturday and we'll all know.

So with it being implied that the Tau have another sphere of expansion, "Where do you guys think FW will leave it?"

Will it just stop at the Fourth Sphere of expansion that was started in the current 'dex or do you think GW will jump it up several spheres of expansion?

I'd like to see several spheres of expansion.

Currently, the Tau are stuck in one part of the Galaxy which technically doesn't make for great lore to be written. Have them expand further into the Galaxy and see what new fluff they come up with instead of Tau vs Tyranids, Orks, IoM, which seems to be all they are facing.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Personally I think the only one you might have right is the broadside. I don't see a resemblance to the Jager other than the fact that they're both bipedal, humanoid robots, and if that's the case then you might as well compare them to every mecha design ever...although the head does look similar, even has the bunny ears. I also don't see how those are fire warriors, the only similarity is the mono-lens helmet, they look pretty generic otherwise.

Anyway, as for stocking up on old suits, I have to admit it did tempt me to wade through eBay trying to find cheap suits, but I'm kinda curious to see if the new ones won't be re-cut with more bits. I want to see the sprues first, it might almost be worth it to buy the new box if that's the case. But maybe I'm being too optimistic.

I know I came back after I said I wouldn't but I'm being on-topic this time.

It's a lot more noticeable if you see the other pictures of the Jaeger in the sourcebook. There are weapon mounts on the shoulders that are identical to the ones on the crisis suits.

Of course, the weirdest bit of similarity is that the front end of the Hammerhead tank looks identical to the torso of the robot on the front of the book.

I can just imagine huge Tau colony ships, each representing a new sphere of expansion, using uncharted warp skips to leap to distant regions of the Galaxy and set up new colonies. The Tyranid threat having driven the Tau to look further afield to buy time to develop weaponry to combat the bugs. Each ship being a self-contained military, social and economic entity with an attached fleet.

 Lobukia wrote:
Tell me a crisis suit doesn't look like a RIFTS Jager

http://www.neromir.net/img/rifts/powerArmor/Jager.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/18/91274474_0427b47553_o.jpg

Fire Warriors

http://dc460.4shared.com/doc/2lid4MbN/preview007.png

New Broadside

http://warnervfx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/ultimax.gif

I think I'm going to gamble and snag some ebay crisis suits while they're sub $20... just hope it pays off

And along comes the Asshimar to agree that most of the Tau tech looks very familiar.


Probably familiar enough to have its own thread about how familiar it is.

Puscifer wrote:
I'd like to see several spheres of expansion.

Currently, the Tau are stuck in one part of the Galaxy which technically doesn't make for great lore to be written. Have them expand further into the Galaxy and see what new fluff they come up with instead of Tau vs Tyranids, Orks, IoM, which seems to be all they are facing.

I think that's more just a problem with how their old codices were written, there's some cool new fluff for the Tau since then, like their interactions with the Dark Eldar and Necrons.

They tend to be painted as naive victims in the books of other races, but still, they are well and truly galactic members at this point, having had contact with basically everyone out there (except for maybe Grey Knights/ The Inquisition)

And realistically I don't think you can expect too much expansion, the Third Sphere was done during the 13th Black Crusade, when everyone was pretty busy, they can't keep doing that every time they want to expand.

Puscifer wrote:
Most of us know that gw makes new units uber and older units worse, but now, I can't see this with Tau.

The lines are too blurred as we have such an old codex.

I can't see the fire warriors getting better, but they will get cheaper. Crisis teams are an integral part of the army, I can see them getting cheaper and better as there are rumours stating that they will be able to have two of the same weapon on one suit, effectively doubling up on weapons.

Broadsides - a bone of contention with most players have been repurposed into a dangerous anti air unit.

But again, there is so much new stuff here that it is impossible to give an accurate assumption of what is going in. One week on Saturday and we'll all know.

just a question for the bolded part? my warp talons and mutilators want to meet your designer..... its been said a million times, new units are not uber... look at the FF and MF are they uber? the only one that comes close to uber is the helldrake..... ( feel free to add examples from the other 6th ed codices for units that just ba-bow fail)


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 Drunkspleen wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
I'd like to see several spheres of expansion.

Currently, the Tau are stuck in one part of the Galaxy which technically doesn't make for great lore to be written. Have them expand further into the Galaxy and see what new fluff they come up with instead of Tau vs Tyranids, Orks, IoM, which seems to be all they are facing.

I think that's more just a problem with how their old codices were written, there's some cool new fluff for the Tau since then, like their interactions with the Dark Eldar and Necrons.

They tend to be painted as naive victims in the books of other races, but still, they are well and truly galactic members at this point, having had contact with basically everyone out there (except for maybe Grey Knights/ The Inquisition)

And realistically I don't think you can expect too much expansion, the Third Sphere was done during the 13th Black Crusade, when everyone was pretty busy, they can't keep doing that every time they want to expand.

and just a little bolded humour, no one remembers meeting the grey knights.... and lives

I haven't played Chaos since 3rd ed so I'm not aware of those units being rubbish. Explains why I don't see as many in Chaos armies though.

Sounds like a few people need to realise 'influenced by' means 'may take some styling cues from', rather than 'OMG IT'S A TOTAL COPY OF EVERYTHING'.

Tau ARE influenced by anime. Absolutely. To say otherwise is daft. YES, they have other influences. Absolutely.

Let's all stop agreeing violently!!!


In other news, the new models look great. May be tempted to pick up some Tau at this rate. The only thing likely to stop me is my hatred of edge highlighting... doesn't look like they're drybush-abble!!!

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
just a question for the bolded part? my warp talons and mutilators want to meet your designer..... its been said a million times, new units are not uber... look at the FF and MF are they uber? the only one that comes close to uber is the helldrake..... ( feel free to add examples from the other 6th ed codices for units that just ba-bow fail)

It's a perception which I think comes from the new stuff always sounding crazy before it gets points costs and other drawbacks attached to it, or the rules aren't understood properly.

The new stuff in every codex always seems ridiculous, but then we settle into the groove and often it's the old models which end up turning up the most in armies with the exception of flyers because of their built in advantages (and even the Dark Angels proved they aren't a sure fire ace up the sleeve).

We always seem to fear the new things and even when they don't turn out to be the horror we think, somewhere in the back of our minds that thought sits there, growing with each new codex, until we feel like it's all a sinister plot.

 Drunkspleen wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
I'd like to see several spheres of expansion.

Currently, the Tau are stuck in one part of the Galaxy which technically doesn't make for great lore to be written. Have them expand further into the Galaxy and see what new fluff they come up with instead of Tau vs Tyranids, Orks, IoM, which seems to be all they are facing.

I think that's more just a problem with how their old codices were written, there's some cool new fluff for the Tau since then, like their interactions with the Dark Eldar and Necrons.

They tend to be painted as naive victims in the books of other races, but still, they are well and truly galactic members at this point, having had contact with basically everyone out there (except for maybe Grey Knights/ The Inquisition)

And realistically I don't think you can expect too much expansion, the Third Sphere was done during the 13th Black Crusade, when everyone was pretty busy, they can't keep doing that every time they want to expand.

Why not to much expansion? The Astronomican psychic beacon navigators use does not cover the far Eastern Fringe. Surly that means Tau have a large area of space to expand into that is outside the Astronomican psychic beacon so the Imperium of Man cannot easily invade. Some lore says the Astronomican psychic beacon is shrinking every year and the psychic beacon pulls further and further back Tau have more and more planets to annex with little risk of counter attack from the Imperium of Man.

Yeah, the Tau are not very anime. Don't know why this keeps getting mindlessly parroted. Other than maybe that Tau are different from the predominantly European-culture-inspired Imperium and so players just kind of reflexively try to shoe-horn them into whatever they can think of that is different from that.

The Infinite wrote:
I can just imagine huge Tau colony ships, each representing a new sphere of expansion, using uncharted warp skips to leap to distant regions of the Galaxy and set up new colonies. The Tyranid threat having driven the Tau to look further afield to buy time to develop weaponry to combat the bugs. Each ship being a self-contained military, social and economic entity with an attached fleet.

I put even odds on the Jericho reach from FFG showing up.

Pottsey wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
I'd like to see several spheres of expansion.

Currently, the Tau are stuck in one part of the Galaxy which technically doesn't make for great lore to be written. Have them expand further into the Galaxy and see what new fluff they come up with instead of Tau vs Tyranids, Orks, IoM, which seems to be all they are facing.

I think that's more just a problem with how their old codices were written, there's some cool new fluff for the Tau since then, like their interactions with the Dark Eldar and Necrons.

They tend to be painted as naive victims in the books of other races, but still, they are well and truly galactic members at this point, having had contact with basically everyone out there (except for maybe Grey Knights/ The Inquisition)

And realistically I don't think you can expect too much expansion, the Third Sphere was done during the 13th Black Crusade, when everyone was pretty busy, they can't keep doing that every time they want to expand.

Why not to much expansion? The Astronomican psychic beacon navigators use does not cover the far Eastern Fringe. Surly that means Tau have a large area of space to expand into that is outside the Astronomican psychic beacon so the Imperium of Man cannot easily invade. Some lore says the Astronomican psychic beacon is shrinking every year and the psychic beacon pulls further and further back Tau have more and more planets to annex with little risk of counter attack from the Imperium of Man.

This is my understanding as well. The 40k galaxy is a lot larger than people seem to realize. There's a LOT of narratively convenient space that can change hands without really changing much.

In the medieval Europe that is the Galaxy of WH40k, the Tau have always struck me as the stand in for the rise of the Muslim Caliphate. Historically, they appeared on the south eastern fringe of the remenants of the old Roman Empire, started as a small regional power and then suddenly took all of Northern Africa and struck so far in Western Europe as to effectively rule Spain. They were only stopped by Charlemagne ant the battle of Tours. A feat which helped establish him not only as the King of France but also the first Holy Roman Emperor.

A similar sudden expansion in 40k would be very interesting and change the game map considerably. If they follow the same 'map' as the real world model, we'd see the Tau strike along the southern edge of the Galaxy then turn north through the Macharian Crusade's area and find themselves blunted just before reaching Terra. We'd also see an emperor like figure arise out of that.

Of course that would be too radical a change for GW and the Fans to bear. So if there is expansion of the Tau, it will likely be kept to the Eastern Fringe, with the Ultramarines standing in for Charlemange and the Francs.

Well, that trailer was boring. I must have watched it six or seven times!

Well the trailer sucked but its a GW trailer so it was expected. but still. I am very excited for the codex.

 redkeyboard wrote:
Well the trailer sucked but its a GW trailer so it was expected. but still. I am very excited for the codex.

Better then the last trailers..this actually shows a little bit of the model ..not only goofy sounds and flames

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=8300066 Link to trailer for convenience.

About as good as GW trailers get to be honest. Tau sounding more badass if the whole ascension to galactic rulers thing is panned out.

Yeah, I think this one is a big improvement.

I like the angle if the Tau have been evolving and growing in a decade faster than the other races have in 10k years, they are now a force to be reckoned with.

It does seem everyone else is very stagnant, and the Tau going from 'let's all hug it out' to 'ok, this is how it is gonna be' sounds great.

I am looking forward to seeing what kind of allies I can get for my orks.

Hey it's a Riptide!

While perhaps damning by faint praise. That trailer is much better than their recent efforts.

That trailer was a lot darker than I expected. The tone and theme of it I mean.

http://latabernadelaurana.blogspot.com.es/2013/03/rumores-fotos-tau-en-alta-calidad.html

The Pathfider and Fire Warrior (HQ?) models look very nice. Although I must admit I don't really like the new broadside. From the pictures it looks far to fat and rounded for me at least.